"Sooner or later, we all have to choose a side."
―Idolaf Battle-Born[src]


Idolaf Battle-Born is a Nord found in the city of Whiterun. Like the rest of his family, he favors the Imperial Legion in the Civil War.


The first time the Dragonborn walks into Whiterun, Idolaf will be trying to make a deal with Adrianne Avenicci, saying that he needs her to forge more weapons for the Imperial Legion. She complains, saying that she cannot make that many swords. After, she tries to persuade Idolaf to go and ask rival clan member Eorlund Gray-Mane to make some. He then says he'd sooner bend his knee to Ulfric Stormcloak. Adrianne finally gives in, and agrees to make the weapons.

Idolaf will ask if the Dragonborn whether they prefer the Battle-Borns or Gray-Manes. If they reply by saying 'Battle-Born,' he will treat them as a friend, but if they reply with 'Gray-Mane,' he will dislike them and say, "I should bash your face in for what you've done." If they say that they don't pick sides, he will say, "Sooner or later, we all have to choose a side."


"Gray-Mane or Battle-Born?"

What? "Got stones in your ears? I asked what side you're on, Gray-Mane or Battle-Born."
I don't know what you're asking. "New in town huh? Whiterun's got two clans, both old and both respected. Difference is, the Gray-Manes turned their backs on the Empire and we Battle-Borns stayed loyal. So I'll ask again, Gray-Mane or Battle-Born?"
Gray-Mane "Then you're either a Stormcloak sympathizer or a fool. Either way, you're no friend of mine."
Battle-Born "Then I say well met, friend. I could tell you were a sharp one the moment I laid eyes on you."
I'm not picking sides. "Sooner or later, we all have to choose a side."


Adrianne AvenicciEdit

Idolaf: "We'll pay whatever it takes. But we must have more swords for the Imperial soldiers."
Adrianne: "I just can't fill an order that size on my own. Why don't you swallow that stubborn pride of yours and ask Eorlund Gray-Mane for help?"
Idolaf: "Ha! I'd sooner bend my knee to Ulfric Stormcloak. Besides, Gray-Mane would never make steel for the Legion."
Adrianne: "Have it your way. I'll take the job, but don't expect a miracle."

Fralia Gray-ManeEdit

Olfrid: "Foolish old woman! You know nothing! Nothing of our struggles, our suffering!"
Fralia: "Nothing? And what of my son, hmm? What of Thorald? Is he nothing? So don't talk to me about suffering!"
Idolaf: "Your son chose his side, and he chose poorly. And now he's gone. Such is the way of war. The sooner you accept his loss, the better."
Fralia: "I will never accept his death! My son still lives. I feel it in my heart. So tell me, Battle-Borns, where is he? Where are you holding my Thorald?"
Olfrid: "[to son] Do you believe this old hag? [to Fralia] "Holding him"? Why, I've got him in my cellar. He's my prisoner. Face it, cow! Your stupid son is dead! He died a Stormcloak traitor. And best keep your mouth shut before you suffer the same."
Idolaf: "Come on, father. There's nothing more to be said here."


  • "Damn those Gray-Manes to Oblivion. They want to back the Stormcloaks, they'll get what's coming to them."
  • "Avulstein Gray-Mane and I were best friends as children. If I see that traitor again, I'll throw him in jail myself!"
  • "The cold, frightening truth is that the Empire represents progress. Anyone who fears progress is a coward."
  • "The Stormcloaks are content to live in the past forever. No wonder the Provincials think we're all baseless savages."
  • "Has the Empire forsaken us? How could Whiterun fall into the hands of these stinking half-wit Nords?" —Stormcloaks control Whiterun



  • Idolaf can be persuaded in the quest "Missing in Action." He will explain that he and Thorald Gray-Mane used to be friends as children and that he looked into his disappearance, until he received the Imperial Missive. He'll then give it to the Dragonborn as proof, saying that Thorald's family is better off believing he's dead.
  • If Idolaf dies, the Dragonborn may receive a Letter of Inheritance and 100 GoldIcon (minus the Jarl's 10 GoldIcon tax) if they were on good terms with the deceased.
  • If the Dragonborn kills Idolaf, the Battle-Born clan may send hired thugs after them. The Dragonborn will also receive a letter of thanks from Avulstein Gray-Mane if they have completed the quest Missing in Action.
  • If the Dragonborn is on good terms with Idolaf and joins the Legion, Idolaf may attend their wedding in Riften. When prompting to speak with him in Whiterun after the marriage, he may give them a gift of ale, or a copy of Nords Arise!
  • If a member of his family has been attacked or killed by the Dragonborn, he will approach them in the streets of Whiterun with his sword drawn, giving three chances to apologize. If no apology is made, he will initiate a fight there to the death. If he attacks, passersby will support the victim.
  • If the Dragonborn sided with Battle-Born when asked by him, he will consider Dragonborn as his friend. Thus almost all items in the House of Clan Battle-Born can be taken without penalty except for some leveled potions.


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