The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log 2015 November 14

21:23:31: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, Atve has the floor
21:23:42: Atvelonis: star damnit
21:23:43: Bronkiin: What
21:23:49: Bronkiin: omg
21:23:56: Bronkiin: (facepalm)
21:24:01: Kora Stormblade: Fucking hell xD
21:24:05: Atvelonis: well I typed it out in advance so I'm just going to paste it here I guess
21:24:13: Bronkiin: Hey!
21:24:14: Atvelonis: yes
21:24:16: Flightmare: looks like it :)
21:24:18: Bronkiin: Yep
21:24:35: Atvelonis: Firstly I think it would be a good idea to add a basic time requirement for patroller; you would have to have been actively contributing to the mainspace for a period of roughly six months to qualify. This would ensure that future patrollers would have enough knowledge of our policies and editing in general to do the job of a patroller flawlessly.
21:25:01: Bronkiin: We're short on active staff atm.
21:25:27: Atvelonis: Well what do you think of the idea?
21:25:45: Bronkiin: In principle... possibly.
21:25:48: RenzXVI: I agree,
21:25:50: Cheatcodechamp: As long as we state exceptions can be made on this, im ok with it
21:25:52: Flightmare: What about experience outside of this wiki?
21:25:54: Bronkiin: But it's still relatively vague.
21:26:13: Bronkiin: With exceptions, it becomes a guideline. As it already is.
21:26:48: Atvelonis: @Flight: All wikis have their own guidelines so I think mostly it should still apply to them, maybe lessened slightly.
21:26:58: Atvelonis: That's where the exceptions thing comes in
21:27:11: Flightmare: I don't think guidelines differ all that much
21:27:46: Flightmare: Over half of them are common sense things that most wikis have in place
21:27:56: Atvelonis: Enough that you need to actually take the time to read up on a wiki's guidelines instead of going with the idea that they'll be like your main wiki's
21:28:07: Atvelonis: Not just guidelines but formatting and stuff too
21:28:14: Flightmare: Reading them takes months?
21:28:19: Bronkiin: It's difficult to codify common sense.
21:28:24: Bronkiin: As we found with chat rules
21:28:30: Flightmare: I understand your point, but some people might be quite fast at adopting
21:28:48: RenzXVI: IMO, policies should be detailed.
21:28:59: Bronkiin: But we need flexibility.
21:29:06: RenzXVI: I am active on several wikis and I sometimes get confused with the slight differences.
21:29:14: Atvelonis: We have a LOT of policies. While it might take an hour or less to read them all, it takes a lot longer to memorize them.
21:29:24: Atvelonis: Memorize or at least have a solid understanding of them
21:29:41: Bronkiin: Not 6 months.#
21:29:50: Atvelonis: hey time
21:30:00: RenzXVI: Hi :D
21:30:04: Atvelonis: It really depends on the person. Some people take longer to adjust than others.
21:30:12: Atvelonis: Again, that's the exceptions thing
21:30:18: Atvelonis: We could of course change the time
21:30:28: Atvelonis: Three months, four, five, etc.
21:30:29: Flightmare: I think exceptions are very bad
21:30:30: Bronkiin: The point is, it will always depend on the person...
21:31:01: RenzXVI: I'd say at least 3 months straught of being active.
21:31:02: Bronkiin: A judgement should be made not depending on whether they meet the time requirements, but whether they are competent enough.
21:31:21: Flightmare: 3 would do just fine I tink
21:31:22: Flightmare: think
21:31:31: Atvelonis: 3, ok
21:31:33: KINMUNE: Hello there, GatzIsBack!
21:31:36: Flightmare: combined with number of edits
21:31:40: Atvelonis: hey gatz
21:31:40: Cheatcodechamp: If we are going to have to make exceptions, its not really a rule, we would have to bend it a lot, and I fear this could be abused.
21:31:43: Flightmare: can't just linger around for a few months :)
21:32:03: RenzXVI: At least 3 months of being active then?
21:32:09: Flightmare: making exceptions would become the standard :)
21:32:09: Atvelonis: 3 months actively editing the mainspace
21:32:17: Bronkiin: Is it not fine as it is?
21:32:27: Atvelonis: right now you can become a patroller at any time
21:32:35: Atvelonis: you can join and apply for patroller as long as you have 500 edits
21:32:39: Bronkiin: If they're not ready, the vote will show that.
21:32:56: Atvelonis: fine, then why should we have any requirements at all?
21:33:12: RenzXVI: O_o
21:33:17: Bronkiin: The reqirements are that of competency.
21:33:33: Bronkiin: That's judged better by people than time.
21:34:50: Cheatcodechamp: So whats the verdict?
21:34:56: RenzXVI: (+)
21:35:05: Atvelonis: 3 months I like
21:35:11: Kora Stormblade: ^^
21:35:28: Atvelonis: (+)
21:35:29: Kora Stormblade: Hope I didn't miss much lol
21:35:30: Bronkiin: (=)
21:35:33: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so all in favor of a three month editing minimum, with some leeway possible?
21:35:42: Cheatcodechamp: 2-1-0
21:35:45: RenzXVI: (+)
21:35:48: Kora Stormblade: Three months active editing to become patroller etc right?
21:35:50: Bronkiin: Three months is a good compromise.
21:35:56: Atvelonis: hey slayer
21:35:57: Flightmare: (+)
21:36:01: Kora Stormblade: Ay, then I go (support)
21:36:05: SlayerOfTheBad: Hey, people greet me!
21:36:08: SlayerOfTheBad: Why, again?
21:36:09: Kora Stormblade: Sounds reasonable
21:36:14: Kora Stormblade: xD
21:36:19: Atvelonis: 4-1-0?
21:36:21: Cheatcodechamp: 4-1-0
21:36:25: Atvelonis: CCC what about you?
21:36:30: Atvelonis: Or you gold?
21:36:32: Cheatcodechamp: Sure, (+)
21:36:32: SlayerOfTheBad: Why are people greeting me?
21:36:41: Atvelonis: why not slayer?
21:36:41: Kora Stormblade: Cause you joined?
21:36:44: Cheatcodechamp: We can ignore you if you wish?
21:36:51: SlayerOfTheBad: Did I?
21:36:52: Kora Stormblade: (yes)
21:36:57: Kora Stormblade: Yeah you joined?
21:37:07: Atvelonis: 5-1-0
21:37:08: Kora Stormblade: Huh...weird xD
21:37:19: RenzXVI: You joined and left at the same time on both here and the Terraria chat.
21:37:22: Kora Stormblade: Why are you neutral, bron?
21:37:31: SlayerOfTheBad: Ahhh, then I know the problem.
21:37:31: Atvelonis: I have another similar thing too
21:37:32: Bronkiin: Because it's not necessary.
21:37:43: SlayerOfTheBad: My browser crashed, must've logged me off for a moment. xD
21:37:43: Bronkiin: If they;re not up to the job, they won't get it anyway.
21:37:45: Flightmare: you had a minute of downtime
21:37:55: Bronkiin: But 3 months is small enough to not make much difference.
21:38:10: Kora Stormblade: hmm
21:38:16: Bronkiin: Just because anyone can apply, doesn't mean anyone can become patroller.
21:38:17: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, seeing as that is the only item, I have one thing to say, and we can handle some maintenance if we wish.
21:38:22: Atvelonis: I have something else
21:38:27: Bronkiin: kk
21:38:32: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, go ahead
21:38:35: Atvelonis: Well my second proposal is that to become an administrator, a user should have to have been in another staff position for some period of time (three months?). This gives them a chance to adjust to the position they currently hold and it would also prevent somewhat rushed votes from occurring (as has happened a few times in the past).
21:38:42: Atvelonis: Right now it's an unspoken rule that you have to already be in the staff before being admin, because the jobs of administrators have a lot of overlap with these positions; I'm just asking if we want to make it an actual requirement.
21:38:49: Flightmare: Lot of past patrollers were per invite
21:38:51: Flightmare: it worked
21:38:58: Bronkiin: Have there been rushed votes for admin before?
21:39:04: Cheatcodechamp: rare
21:39:05: Atvelonis: Somewhat
21:39:11: Atvelonis: I thought my vote was rather premature
21:39:15: Bronkiin: There have for chat mods (fin), but I thought it was harder for admins.
21:39:20: Kora Stormblade: Yeah I heard there was one or two rushed ones in the past
21:39:24: Cheatcodechamp: Mine was kind of rushed
21:39:29: Flightmare: shh
21:39:32: Atvelonis: Well, I'd also like to stop it from happening in the future too
21:39:36: Kora Stormblade: sorryyy xD
21:39:39: RenzXVI: I like it.
21:39:40: Bronkiin: I have a slightly different solution,
21:39:47: Kora Stormblade: Shoot. :P
21:39:59: Flightmare: Well blame me, I rushed it :)
21:39:59: Bronkiin: That'd be to give existing admins an effective veto.
21:40:09: Flightmare: But Sajuuk was getting annoying
21:40:10: Bronkiin: If it's rushed, and clearly stupid, the admins can intervene.
21:40:20: Atvelonis: Well we already have a veto
21:40:22: Atvelonis: Problem is
21:40:32: Atvelonis: People are good enough to be admin, but not *quite* yet
21:40:46: Atvelonis: Cancelling a vote would probably discourage them, at least for a while
21:40:51: Bronkiin: A lot of the learning happens when you're in the job anyway.
21:40:55: Bronkiin: I'd assume.
21:41:07: Flightmare: Well I wouldn't like to see some strange bans
21:41:10: Flightmare: because learning
21:41:40: Flightmare: You'd have to see a lot of bad edits to know that is vandalism
21:41:45: Flightmare: and what is a confused editor
21:41:56: Flightmare: page blanking happens a lot without bad intent
21:42:11: Kora Stormblade: Hmm
21:42:30: Bronkiin: You don't need to be a patroller to see that though.
21:42:42: Bronkiin: Being a user yourself, you'd know that mistakes happen.
21:42:59: Atvelonis: It's harder to identify a lot of them than one might think
21:43:09: Atvelonis: hey shock
21:43:10: Kora Stormblade: hey panda o/
21:43:13: Shockstorm: hey
21:43:21: Bronkiin: I don't think being an admin equips you entirely for that.
21:43:27: Shockstorm: kora my team is losing by 21 to Texas Tech right now haha
21:43:35: Kora Stormblade: ohh gawd xd
21:43:42: Bronkiin: Being a user yourself, and having experience of making mistakes yourself, actually does quite a lot.
21:43:58: Kora Stormblade: You never know tho they may pick the score back up if there's the time
21:44:12: Shockstorm: eh well they've lost 5 games already, so probly not haha
21:44:20: Bronkiin: And what's more, the system's worked well so far.
21:44:28: Atvelonis: @Bron: true, but
21:44:31: Atvelonis: ugh
21:44:34: Kora Stormblade: Xd
21:44:38: Atvelonis: enter key
21:44:39: Atvelonis: fish
21:44:47: Bronkiin: From what I've heard, this is one of the most effective groups of admins we've had.
21:44:50: Shockstorm: yeah, the system caught that one guy reporting himself to atv :)
21:44:58: Bronkiin: ^
21:45:07: Atvelonis: Yeah bron, and every one of our admins has been a patroller before
21:45:08: Atvelonis: every one
21:45:19: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, I went AFK, do we have a plan for this admin thing?
21:45:27: Bronkiin: True, but that didn;t need codifying, Atv.
21:45:31: Atvelonis: actually
21:45:36: Atvelonis: it was a requirement back then
21:45:43: Atvelonis: the staff nominated you as patroller
21:45:49: Shockstorm: admin thing? you guys tryin to overhaul it and stuff?
21:45:50: Atvelonis: then, you could be nominated for admin
21:45:51: Atvelonis: however
21:46:01: Atvelonis: since we switched to applications that went out the window
21:46:15: Atvelonis: not really shock, just solidifying some stuff
21:46:19: Shockstorm: ah
21:46:44: Bronkiin: It'd be you'd need to have been a patroller before becoming admin.
21:47:08: Flightmare: it is based on the same experience
21:47:16: Flightmare: patroller is a subset of sysop essentially
21:47:39: Bronkiin: I think it's good to keep these things as unwritten rules
21:47:58: Bronkiin: It means that we don't need to worry when making exceptions.
21:48:00: Cheatcodechamp: No, we need to make things clear, no unsaid rules that we assume are known
21:48:11: Bronkiin: They wouldn't be a rule.
21:48:15: Cheatcodechamp: In some way, it needs to be stated how we do things
21:48:23: Bronkiin: It's like a general thing which is often followed.
21:48:29: Atvelonis: you sound like sajuuk lol bron
21:48:30: Cheatcodechamp: If it not a rule we don't say it
21:48:31: Bronkiin: But doesn't have to be.
21:48:31: Atvelonis: "common sense"
21:48:41: Bronkiin: But that's just what an exception is.
21:48:47: Kora Stormblade: omg I hate this lag
21:48:49: Shockstorm: maybe say "exceptions could be made if you're sexy enough", something like that
21:48:52: Cheatcodechamp: but if we go by it, then it needs to be written down as fact of how we operate.
21:49:04: Atvelonis: hold on
21:49:06: Bronkiin: Exceptions are for codifying something which isn't really law.
21:49:16: Atvelonis: "Finally, if the user is lacking in one of the above sections, an exception can be made for a user who has shown any traits, abilities, or actions that prove them fit for the position. It is advised, however, for the user not to assume they are the exception to any of the above rules."
21:49:34: Atvelonis: that's in the admin requirements section
21:49:49: Bronkiin: I like that.
21:50:06: Bronkiin: If the exceptions thing is already codified, then yeh.
21:50:09: Cheatcodechamp: also, it needs to be rare, exceptions should not be an everyday happening.
21:50:12: Atvelonis: yeah
21:50:13: Kora Stormblade: ^
21:50:28: Atvelonis: I want to stress that you shouldn't use that rule as a way to get admin, that's just low
21:50:58: SeniorDiogo: Good afternoon
21:51:06: Kora Stormblade: Good evening o/
21:51:10: SeniorDiogo: yep
21:51:12: Atvelonis: @Bron: statement, whatever
21:51:13: Cheatcodechamp: Tomb was rushed because her skills, I was rushed dispite just coming back from being AWOL because we needed admins, and Atve was rushed despite being newer because we needed another admin who could be trusted.
21:51:29: SeniorDiogo: Still not accostumed
21:51:33: Bronkiin: It can't be abused, though atv
21:51:38: Bronkiin: Because of the votes.
21:51:42: Bronkiin: And admin veto.
21:52:01: Atvelonis: It can still be abused, we just put a stop to it if it is
21:52:02: Atvelonis: Plus
21:52:06: Shockstorm: and because atv has slippery slick scales that allows him to slip through
21:52:07: Atvelonis: We aren't all-seeing gods
21:52:11: Atvelonis: lmao shock
21:52:16: Kora Stormblade: xD
21:52:27: Bronkiin: So you think someone could become admin without you noticing? xD
21:52:34: Bronkiin: You don't have to be all seeing.
21:52:35: Flightmare: no
21:52:36: RenzXVI: We need the rules so voting doesn't end up as an "I have lots of friends to vote for me" contest.
21:52:39: Atvelonis: No, but we still do make mistakes when judging people
21:52:43: Shockstorm: cast Invisibility first
21:52:43: Bronkiin: True, ok
21:52:59: Bronkiin: Ok, I can support.
21:53:06: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so lets return to base here. Atve, what are you saying we should do?
21:53:52: Atvelonis: Make it an official requirement that you have to be some kind of staff before being admin
21:54:01: Bronkiin: Any kind of staff?
21:54:03: Bronkiin: Or patroller?
21:54:24: Bronkiin: In terms of experience, probably just patroller, I'd assume.
21:54:53: Atvelonis: I initially said any kind but I'm open to suggestions
21:55:07: Bronkiin: I like the initial idea.
21:55:27: Cheatcodechamp: I am unusre about "any" but I do not see it as a need to aruge
21:55:28: RenzXVI: I'd say Patrollers. I don't think Chat mods or news team qualify.
21:55:34: Kora Stormblade: ^
21:56:12: RenzXVI: Moderators could.
21:56:14: Atvelonis: Well, adminship has a lot to do with talking to people. Communicating. That's why I said any staff. But I see your point.
21:56:18: Bronkiin: Yeh, I don't think Fin qualifies as an admin more than Shock.
21:56:56: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, lets vote on what we have as the main agenda
21:57:00: Shockstorm: yes my eating bamboo and sleeping 18 hours a day qualifies me greatly
21:57:03: Cheatcodechamp: Make it an official requirement that you have to be some kind of staff before being admin-All in favor
21:57:07: Kora Stormblade: Shock (yes)
21:57:09: Atvelonis: wait
21:57:09: Kora Stormblade: xD
21:57:12: Bronkiin: Wait
21:57:14: Cheatcodechamp: wait
21:57:18: Cheatcodechamp: Jamit
21:57:19: RenzXVI: Hi
21:57:22: Shockstorm: lol
21:57:23: Atvelonis: wb star
21:57:24: Kora Stormblade: wb star
21:57:26: Kora Stormblade: o/
21:57:27: Bronkiin: I thought we were inclined towards just patrollers.
21:57:37: Bronkiin: We didn't reach a verdict there.
21:57:38: Atvelonis: That's what I'm starting to think
21:57:45: Cheatcodechamp: I am, but I am not in inclined to argue it
21:57:56: Bronkiin: The initial suggestion was patroller.
21:58:00: Bronkiin: I think we should vote on that.
21:58:13: RenzXVI: I'd say Patrollers and Moderators could do. But yeah, Just Patroller makes sense.
21:58:15: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, should it only be pattrolers who become admins?
21:58:21: Starkiller131: Imo you should be a staff member before becoming admin.
21:58:29: Bronkiin: Bit late there Star
21:58:31: Kora Stormblade: That's what were talkin bout star xD
21:58:32: Shockstorm: hehe
21:58:34: Starkiller131: Shh
21:58:35: Bronkiin: @ ccc ye[
21:58:36: Atvelonis: That was the initial idea star but we've narrowed it down to patrollers
21:58:36: Bronkiin: yep
21:58:41: Starkiller131: always am Xd
21:58:41: Atvelonis: (+)
21:58:43: Atvelonis: vote
21:58:47: RenzXVI: Ok Patrollers (+)
21:58:50: Bronkiin: (y)
21:58:50: Starkiller131: Ah ok.
21:58:55: Bronkiin: (+)
21:58:55: Flightmare: (+)
21:58:58: Shockstorm: (y)
21:59:00: Starkiller131: (Support)
21:59:22: RenzXVI: G0LD3NF1RE
21:59:24: Cheatcodechamp: (+)
22:00:11: Starkiller131: .
22:00:12: Atvelonis: 7-0-0
22:00:28: Starkiller131: All support yay!
22:00:29: Bronkiin: Yep, 7
22:00:41: Atvelonis: kora? diogo? gold?
22:00:55: Kora Stormblade: I'm sorta neutral on it...I dunno xD
22:00:57: Starkiller131: Someone oppose to be an asshole. Xd
22:01:03: Kora Stormblade: Star stfu xD
22:01:13: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, that was for pattrolers only?
22:01:17: Starkiller131: ;( fine
22:01:21: Kora Stormblade: D:
22:01:22: Bronkiin: Yep
22:01:53: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, so are we settled on this topic?
22:01:58: Atvelonis: It seems so
22:02:00: Bronkiin: (y)
22:02:11: Starkiller131: You spell that your own special way CCC... :P
22:02:18: Cheatcodechamp: Ok
22:02:32: Cheatcodechamp: So I have an item to cover real fast
22:02:42: Cheatcodechamp: As we are unable to find uses for good unused files, we need to store them. I ask that all of you go to our unused images, and take any ESO image that can be used, and add it to my sandbox in a gallery. Keep the images small to save space
22:02:53: Starkiller131: hmm
22:02:55: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles?limit=500&offset=0 http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User:Cheatcodechamp/Sandbox
22:03:09: Bronkiin: Are these linked elsewhere as well?
22:03:10: Starkiller131: I don't edit images.... often.
22:03:12: Cheatcodechamp: We can comb them later, or focus on createing articles
22:03:12: RenzXVI: Cool.
22:03:18: Bronkiin: So I can access them whenever.
22:03:29: Cheatcodechamp: But this way we can move them, then purge the rest
22:03:49: Bronkiin: Where else can I find the link, CCC?
22:03:55: Starkiller131: Plus here soonI'll be on less.
22:03:56: Shockstorm: also consider hiding them in collapsible tables in the sandbox
22:03:58: Bronkiin: If I need to do it after the Moot.
22:04:03: Cheatcodechamp: To my box or the images?
22:04:10: Atvelonis: search, bron
22:04:14: Cheatcodechamp: Ill post in in the weekly update
22:04:21: Atvelonis: [[Special:UnusedFiles]]
22:04:24: Shockstorm: the images, so your sandbox doesnt take real long to load
22:04:34: Starkiller131: ^
22:04:41: Atvelonis: good idea
22:04:46: Cheatcodechamp: Yes, keep the images smaller, like, thumbnail small
22:05:07: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, with that covered, do we want to do maintenance or call it a day?
22:05:37: Kora Stormblade: oh god star pls xD
22:05:45: Cheatcodechamp: I was thinking we look over a few "articles to be merged" and talk about them
22:06:08: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AArticles_to_be_Merged
22:06:38: Cheatcodechamp: We ok with this?
22:06:46: Atvelonis: I'll work on the images
22:06:50: Atvelonis: sure yeah
22:06:59: Shockstorm: yeah those need to be worked on
22:07:38: RenzXVI: Yeah, they should be merged.
22:07:48: GatzIsBack: I forgot I was even here huh weird
22:08:10: Starkiller131: Welcome back then. :)
22:08:15: Bronkiin: Ok, what shall we start with?
22:08:20: Starkiller131: Or leave.... Damn it
22:08:24: Kora Stormblade: xD
22:09:09: Kora Stormblade: brb o/
22:09:13: Bronkiin: .
22:09:16: Starkiller131: I'm 99 percent sure I'll have a job soon.
22:09:25: Bronkiin: Great!
22:09:25: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, lets handle one or two of these
22:09:32: Bronkiin: Moneey
22:09:36: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Aeri%27s_House
22:09:42: Starkiller131: Hell yeah money Xd
22:09:46: Shockstorm: gratz
22:09:51: Cheatcodechamp: It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Anga's Mill, because: this is a sub-location of Anga's Mill (Discuss)
22:10:13: Shockstorm: well we have a bunch of house pages for Oblivion and Skyrim, among other games. So no to merge
22:10:22: Bronkiin: I'd be inclined to keep them seperate.
22:11:03: Cheatcodechamp: Im opposed to a merge as well, the article could be imporved, but no need to merge the two
22:11:11: Atvelonis: yeah
22:11:16: Kora Stormblade: Yeah I agree on no merging
22:11:28: Flightmare: I have to go, bye people \o
22:11:31: Bronkiin: o/
22:11:35: Shockstorm: see ya
22:11:48: Cheatcodechamp: Ok, next item
22:11:49: Cheatcodechamp: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ald_Daedroth,_Antechamber
22:11:55: Cheatcodechamp: It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Ald Daedroth, because: This is a sublocation of Ald Daedroth (Discuss)
22:12:03: RenzXVI: I don't see the point in merging, Anga's Mill is split in three, merging a part but not the others is weird. I don't think the rest needs merging. So yeah, oppose. XD
22:12:35: Bronkiin: All sublocations have there own page there.
22:12:38: Shockstorm: I've noticed a few sublocation articles for Morrowind dungeons. But probably not needed, so I say merge
22:12:43: Kora Stormblade: ^
22:13:00: Bronkiin: That'd wouldn't be the only one to merge then.
22:13:15: Bronkiin: Because of of Ald Daedroth sublocations have artilces.
22:13:16: Cheatcodechamp: We would have to merge all, not impossible or that hard though
22:13:20: Bronkiin: ^
22:13:26: Cheatcodechamp: So all in favor of a merge?
22:13:28: Bronkiin: I'm neutral here , then/
22:13:30: Shockstorm: well yeah. I think those Morrowind pages are unique. While there's only a few Skyrim sublocations
22:13:32: Cheatcodechamp: (+)
22:13:41: RenzXVI: (+)
22:13:44: Kora Stormblade: (neutral)
22:13:47: Bronkiin: (=)
22:13:56: Kora Stormblade: Wait...hmm
22:14:17: Kora Stormblade: I needa think for a sec cause I'm leaning towards support too xD
22:14:26: Bronkiin: I think it passes anyway.