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  • So I was wondering if any of you PC users could console command and summon a Miraak, and then take off his mask with his body intact (alive or not a skeleton)

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    • you would have to use mods for that.

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    • I have uncovered his face through console commands. He's ugly.

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    • what race is he?

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    • Nord. He's bald and has demon eyes (all black).

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    • oh my god.....

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    • A LOT BETTER THEN WHAT MY BRAIN HAD IN MIND!

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    • Haha. Ok, I stll think he's ugly! I thought he would look a lot more badass. :p

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    • i thought he would be a Dark Elf!

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    • Adararose wrote:
      i thought he would be a Dark Elf!

      Solsthiem was originally connected to Skyrim. When he and Vahlok battled, it was torn away. The Dunmer only recently came around 200 years ago.

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    • 24.253.8.98 wrote:
      Here is an image:

      http://skyrimforums.org/useralbums/5466/standalone

      Image is probably not really Miraak, as Miraak only appears outside of Apocrypha on those occasions when he steals Dragon souls from you, and then those are basically "Cut Scenes" and you wouldn't have any control of them. If you notice, this image is of someone standing outside of what appears to be a cave. My best guess is, it is a Player dressed in Miraaks Armour. 

      Just saying... 

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    • ODragono wrote:
      24.253.8.98 wrote:
      Here is an image:

      http://skyrimforums.org/useralbums/5466/standalone

      Image is probably not really Miraak, as Miraak only appears outside of Apocrypha on those occasions when he steals Dragon souls from you, and then those are basically "Cut Scenes" and you wouldn't have any control of them. If you notice, this image is of someone standing outside of what appears to be a cave. My best guess is, it is a Player dressed in Miraaks Armour. 

      Just saying... 

      I searched up photos on Google, they all look like that. They could'ne just spawned him ya know, with his id code and all.

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    • The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      I searched up photos on Google, they all look like that. They could'ne just spawned him ya know, with his id code and all.

      True...

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    • ODragono wrote:
      24.253.8.98 wrote:
      Here is an image:

      http://skyrimforums.org/useralbums/5466/standalone

      Image is probably not really Miraak, as Miraak only appears outside of Apocrypha on those occasions when he steals Dragon souls from you, and then those are basically "Cut Scenes" and you wouldn't have any control of them. If you notice, this image is of someone standing outside of what appears to be a cave. My best guess is, it is a Player dressed in Miraaks Armour. 

      Just saying... 

      Yes it is. That's exactly what he looked like when I spawned him and removed his mask. The image isn't mine though, since I can't upload images, I used one I found on the web. And why would I lie if I already said that I used console commands to uncover his face? Just saying...

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    • I was expecting something a.... bit more evil-looking, but oh well. *shrug* Those eyes are pretty intimidating though.

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    • DA DEMON EYES

       #spn

      P
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    • The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      DA DEMON EYES

       #spn

      P

      Oh my god, imagining miraak in the spn universe.....

      (Also, I love you because you ref'd my favorite tv show)

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    • MascotYouth wrote:
      The Rim of the Sky wrote:
      DA DEMON EYES

       #spn

      P
      Oh my god, imagining miraak in the spn universe.....

      (Also, I love you because you ref'd my favorite tv show)

      If he was a dark elf and had red eyes or yellow eyes if he was a chimer, maybe even if he had those completely white eyes or something similar to that, then I'd be even wierder.

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    • Well...*Sigh*...at least he has a true Face in the Game ... unlike OTHER characters from certain games... * Cough * Mass effect *Cough *..... at least he does not got White eyes and Pale purple skin :P 

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    • Miraak should have like long black hair with like a short beard and white soulless eyes lol

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    • but it looks like bethesda took a randon nord preset or whatever sinse you never see his face, to me he is like a dragon preaist or what was said above xD

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    • i was expecting him to be hot all evil ppl are........

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    • Sauron isn't. Sauruman isn't. Darth Vader isn't. Ventress isn't.

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    • Oh hey, a Teen Titans fan! Man, I loved that show.

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    • Yea but im not here much. My user page on the InFamous Wiki I tricked out.

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    • I was just wondering a bit off topic, if Solstheim was once a part of Skyrim; was there a Jarl of Solstheim and if there was one, which would be his or her Capital with a palace and throne? Wasn't Raven Rock founded sometime after there would be a Jarl? Or even if a Jarl would still be there, wouldn't he or she have their own capital on the island? And don't tell me that the Skald village is where a Jarl used to reside on Solstheim and their great hall used to be Jarl's palace! I never got to play Morowind or it's expansions, so I wouldn't know if there was any other towns on Solstheim when Blood Moon took place.

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    • He should have had one of those stereotypical villain moustaches like bad guys in the 20's.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      I was just wondering a bit off topic, if Solstheim was once a part of Skyrim; was there a Jarl of Solstheim and if there was one, which would be his or her Capital with a palace and throne? Wasn't Raven Rock founded sometime after there would be a Jarl? Or even if a Jarl would still be there, wouldn't he or she have their own capital on the island? And don't tell me that the Skald village is where a Jarl used to reside on Solstheim and their great hall used to be Jarl's palace! I never got to play Morowind or it's expansions, so I wouldn't know if there was any other towns on Solstheim when Blood Moon took place.

      Well for the Jarl part, Solsthiem was seperated during 1E, which means there probably wasn`t too much of a goverment.


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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      I was just wondering a bit off topic, if Solstheim was once a part of Skyrim; was there a Jarl of Solstheim and if there was one, which would be his or her Capital with a palace and throne? Wasn't Raven Rock founded sometime after there would be a Jarl? Or even if a Jarl would still be there, wouldn't he or she have their own capital on the island? And don't tell me that the Skald village is where a Jarl used to reside on Solstheim and their great hall used to be Jarl's palace! I never got to play Morowind or it's expansions, so I wouldn't know if there was any other towns on Solstheim when Blood Moon took place.

      You need to play Morrowind, namely Bloodmoon, because if you do play it, you'll find that Raven Rock didn't exist in the way you might think. You actually assist in building Raven Rock from the ground up. When you first arrive in Raven Rock, there is nothing there but land.

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    • Oh, I see so in Bloodmoon there was no Raven Rock then. But was there any settlements there then? It was part of Skyrim at that time, not Morrowind, so where it was administrated from? I mean do you think it would be part of some hold in Skyrim like Winterhold still? Or was it's own separtate hold when it was an island? The Skald lived there then that I know, and their way of life was different from Nords on the mainland. But does that mean that the leader of the Skalds was in charge of Solstheim before Empire founded Raven Rock, or what? Or perhaps no one really knows as it was never really explained? Thank you for your help, if I can I will get Morrowind and its add-ons and see for myself. I recently was just thinking, what my original character can pretend that he's a Jarl off, ever since I got a set of Noble cloth and fur lined boots of a Jarl from East Empire Company's wherehouse. 

      But on the topic of Mirrak's face, in the way it is generic. At least as far as bald hairstyle concerned. They seem to make quite a lot of bald or mohawked NPCs in random encounteres like bantit attacks. Sometimes it seems that certain races usually wear their hair in certain way. Perhaps, they chose bald look as it would perfectly be covered by his mask, without anything sticking out. However, Mirrak's appearance without a mask makes me think of an Imperial officer for some reason, I think you encounter few who look similar way, minus black eyes. I think if Mirak had a heavy Imperial armor on, he would fit it quite well. That is my opinion at least. And indeed, there is no question of Mirak being a Nord as Dragon Cult was practiced by Nords. The name more then likely is not an regular Nord name. I believe Dragon Prists have their own names, a lot like Dragon ones.

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    • Yes Miraak is dragon language for Alliegance Guide

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    • Its dragon launguage for portal in the normal game as seen in a quote from nakriin

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      • Nahkriin
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    • He's a bald, black eyed Nord. Actually, he looks an awful lot like Stannis Baratheon.

      [[1]]

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    • 24.253.8.98 wrote:
      Here is an image:

      http://skyrimforums.org/useralbums/5466/standalone

      Ugly bastard, now isn't he.....

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    • he wouldn't be a dark elf, because the dragon priests were ALL nords, even the unimportant ones

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    • you would think he wasnt bald right

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    • Well technically, in the begining they were Atmorans. If I remember correctly the Dragon Cult came to Skyrim from Atmora. They worshiped animals as Avatars of Gods and Dragons were the most important, as they were Avatars of Alduin. Appearantly at that time Alduin was their chief diety, the God of Destruction. Some even belive that Alduin was Atmoran and Nord version of Akatosh. However, appearantly it's Shor who was a true chief of their Pantheon, Alduin just took over.

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    • it says that mirrak is a nord on the mirrak page or whatever page it is 

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    • Not what i expected from Miraak at all.

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    • Why is he still human when the other priests have rotted away?

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    • Sajutsu wrote:
      Why is he still human when the other priests have rotted away?

      Huh?Because he hasn't been trully killed?

      He does seem a lot like Stannis Baratheon...

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    • Sajutsu wrote:
      Why is he still human when the other priests have rotted away?

      The real question is, since his defeat in the First Era, why is he still alive? He isn't immortal.

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    • ...And why does Miraak talk like a robot, automaton like voice. Not normal human.

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    • Hes got a metal mask on maybe.

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    • I wear Konahrik. When i shout, i still sound normal.

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    • Perhaps because Mirak spent all that time in Apacriptha, the realm of Oblivion. He would probably weathered away if he was still on Mondus, the Mortal Plain. About his voice, who knows maybe it's his voice, maybe he's not exactly human anymore? Have you noticed, that he never physically went back to Nirn? I am not even sure he could return in his own physical form. Didn't he want to use our Dragonborn as a vessel to return to Tamriel?

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Perhaps because Mirak spent all that time in Apacriptha, the realm of Oblivion. He would probably weathered away if he was still on Mondus, the Mortal Plain. About his voice, who knows maybe it's his voice, maybe he's not exactly human anymore? Have you noticed, that he never physically went back to Nirn? I am not even sure he could return in his own physical form. Didn't he want to use our Dragonborn as a vessel to return to Tamriel?

      Not necessarily a vessel, just wanted the Dovahkiin's soul. Don't know why. It's simply a dragon soul. He needed a new shout to return to Nirn perhaps?

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Perhaps because Mirak spent all that time in Apacriptha, the realm of Oblivion. He would probably weathered away if he was still on Mondus, the Mortal Plain. About his voice, who knows maybe it's his voice, maybe he's not exactly human anymore? Have you noticed, that he never physically went back to Nirn? I am not even sure he could return in his own physical form. Didn't he want to use our Dragonborn as a vessel to return to Tamriel?
      Not necessarily a vessel, just wanted the Dovahkiin's soul. Don't know why. It's simply a dragon soul. He needed a new shout to return to Nirn perhaps?

      Or because his body was weathering and waning and the soul of another dragonborn would rejuvanate his body back to his 20s or so perhaps?

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    • He might have just wanted the Last Dragonborns soul as a way of showing he was more powerful or something like that.

      And he probaly has not withered away like all the other dragon priests because he's never died, he hasnt had to spend all that time in a coffin and a tomb, and because Herma Mora has kept him alive.

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    • Demons Fable wrote:
      He might have just wanted the Last Dragonborns soul as a way of showing he was more powerful or something like that.

      And he probaly has not withered away like all the other dragon priests because he's never died, he hasnt had to spend all that time in a coffin and a tomb, and because Herma Mora has kept him alive.

      i think yours seems more legit but the youth thing might happen, if he can use dragon souls to heal he might eb able to use human souls to get younger.

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    • Pfft, get younger?

      I mean he's only been in Apocrypha since the first era. If he needed to get younger, he would be, what? 5000+ years old when he met the Last Dragonborn in the fourth era.

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    • Perhaps he worked out a deal with Hermaeous Mora to keep him young in Apocrypha until he was ready to return to Tamriel? 

      And as to his appearance, just cause he's evil doesn't mean he has to look evil. I mean, he could have been born in some small village to ugly parents, and just turned out kind of average looking, and then his practice of magic messed up his eyes.

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    • ...Now that I think of it I don't think I bothered to look at Miraak after I looted his body ._.

      NEVERMIND. HERMIE SKELTON'S HIM. DURR HURR.

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    • @Dmoontear What's left to look at other than his skeleton?

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    • Please refer to my DERP.

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    • Actually, I can't seem to get him to spawn via console commands ._.

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    • WEEELLL. After failed attempts to summon him, dead or undead, I went to fight him toggled combat AI off. Equipped him with a Copper and onyx circlet, and got this face;

      <image removed>

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      Pfft, get younger?

      I mean he's only been in Apocrypha since the first era. If he needed to get younger, he would be, what? 5000+ years old when he met the Last Dragonborn in the fourth era

      Well who wouldn't perhaps if he exits Apocryha too long age will take its toll?

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    • Wait,if he's Dragon priest wouldn't he be Atmorian?

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    • EdenHolder wrote:
      Wait,if he's Dragon priest wouldn't he be Atmorian?

      Yes and no. The Atmoran people eventually became the Nords, through migration and the settling of Skyrim. Although they may go by different nationalities/allegiances they are of the same biological stock, that stock being blonde hair and the other nordic traits.

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    • So what are the differences in appearance between Nords and Atmorans? When my Nord character went to Sovengarde and met with Ysgramor (Who was definetly Atmoran in life), I noticed that Ysgramor is a little taller then my Nord. However, I don't know if that means that Atmorans were supposed to be taller then Nords, or that was just because Ysgramor was a great warrior leader, who was taller then most Atmorans. I wish you could compare a Nord to other Atmorans in Sovengarde. Maybe there are some more, but who can remember them by name.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      So what are the differences in appearance between Nords and Atmorans? When my Nord character went to Sovengarde and met with Ysgramor (Who was definetly Atmoran in life), I noticed that Ysgramor is a little taller then my Nord. However, I don't know if that means that Atmorans were supposed to be taller then Nords, or that was just because Ysgramor was a great warrior leader, who was taller then most Atmorans. I wish you could compare a Nord to other Atmorans in Sovengarde. Maybe there are some more, but who can remember them by name.

      I'm assuming there are no major differences between the two, considering that the Atmorans became the early nords. Ysgramor was probably taller because he was just a tall guy. Tiber Septim was an Atmoran (one of the last to come to Tamriel) and I've always seen him depicted as a realtively normal guy.

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    • look at Miraaks face and it looks EXACTLY LIKE YOU.

      (if your a guy)

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    • Actually they dissagree on Tiber Septim. Just as they say he was the last Atmoran to come to Tamriel, they also claim that he was born in Alcair, a small Kingdom in High Rock, so that could make him actually a Breton. It is maybe that he became associated with Atmora, when he was recognized as Ysmir. Before him, Ysmir-Dragon of the North (Avatar of Shor) was Wulfhearth of Atmora, one of the Atmoran Kings who died long time ago and was brought back by Shor a couple of times before becoming a devine himself in Nordic Pantheon. Perhaps by becoming Ysmir, Talos had taken into himself everything that Wulfhearth of Atmora was, including being an Atmoran. Oh and a bit off topic, but in Nordic Pantheon, Ysmir was associated with fox. And by Nordic, I mean Nordic from Skyrim not Scandinavia.

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      So what are the differences in appearance between Nords and Atmorans? When my Nord character went to Sovengarde and met with Ysgramor (Who was definetly Atmoran in life), I noticed that Ysgramor is a little taller then my Nord. However, I don't know if that means that Atmorans were supposed to be taller then Nords, or that was just because Ysgramor was a great warrior leader, who was taller then most Atmorans. I wish you could compare a Nord to other Atmorans in Sovengarde. Maybe there are some more, but who can remember them by name.
      I'm assuming there are no major differences between the two, considering that the Atmorans became the early nords. Ysgramor was probably taller because he was just a tall guy. Tiber Septim was an Atmoran (one of the last to come to Tamriel) and I've always seen him depicted as a realtively normal guy.

      Tiber Septim is not an Atmoran, the last ship from Atmora landed at Skyrim in 1E68, 4000 years before Tiber Septim was born. Him being a pure Nede is "Nord nonsence"

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      So what are the differences in appearance between Nords and Atmorans? When my Nord character went to Sovengarde and met with Ysgramor (Who was definetly Atmoran in life), I noticed that Ysgramor is a little taller then my Nord. However, I don't know if that means that Atmorans were supposed to be taller then Nords, or that was just because Ysgramor was a great warrior leader, who was taller then most Atmorans. I wish you could compare a Nord to other Atmorans in Sovengarde. Maybe there are some more, but who can remember them by name.
      I'm assuming there are no major differences between the two, considering that the Atmorans became the early nords. Ysgramor was probably taller because he was just a tall guy. Tiber Septim was an Atmoran (one of the last to come to Tamriel) and I've always seen him depicted as a realtively normal guy.
      Tiber Septim is not an Atmoran, the last ship from Atmora landed at Skyrim in 1E68, 4000 years before Tiber Septim was born. Him being a pure Nede is "Nord nonsence"

      According to the page on Atmora, Tiber Septim is said to have been one of the last to come over from Atmora. There is contention though, as a town in High Rock claims he is from there, as opposed to Atmora.

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      So what are the differences in appearance between Nords and Atmorans? When my Nord character went to Sovengarde and met with Ysgramor (Who was definetly Atmoran in life), I noticed that Ysgramor is a little taller then my Nord. However, I don't know if that means that Atmorans were supposed to be taller then Nords, or that was just because Ysgramor was a great warrior leader, who was taller then most Atmorans. I wish you could compare a Nord to other Atmorans in Sovengarde. Maybe there are some more, but who can remember them by name.
      I'm assuming there are no major differences between the two, considering that the Atmorans became the early nords. Ysgramor was probably taller because he was just a tall guy. Tiber Septim was an Atmoran (one of the last to come to Tamriel) and I've always seen him depicted as a realtively normal guy.
      Tiber Septim is not an Atmoran, the last ship from Atmora landed at Skyrim in 1E68, 4000 years before Tiber Septim was born. Him being a pure Nede is "Nord nonsence"
      According to the page on Atmora, Tiber Septim is said to have been one of the last to come over from Atmora. There is contention though, as a town in High Rock claims he is from there, as opposed to Atmora.

      As I said before Nord noncense, Tiber Septim was born in Alcaire.

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    • Everyone seemed to skip my second post. I said that sorces tend to dissagree on that. In my opinion it is nonsense, since by the time that Hialti was born, no one came from Atmora. Oh and didn't they say that the last ship from Atmora was full of dead people anyways? It is absurd that Talos will be both from Atmora and Alcaire at the same time. In my opinion, the reason why some sources say that he was Atmoran, was because he had Atmoran spirit. By becoming one with Yismir, who before that was also Wulfhearth of Atmora, who in term was from Atmora; Talos, no doubt had taken in the spirit of Atmora. That is the only way I see it is posible to consider him both Breton (Hey he was born in High Rock, not likely that he would be considered Nord) and Atmoran at the same time. But beliving that he was the last Atmoran to come from Atmora, that's absolute nonsense!

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Everyone seemed to skip my second post. I said that sorces tend to dissagree on that. In my opinion it is nonsense, since by the time that Hialti was born, no one came from Atmora. Oh and didn't they say that the last ship from Atmora was full of dead people anyways? It is absurd that Talos will be both from Atmora and Alcaire at the same time. In my opinion, the reason why some sources say that he was Atmoran, was because he had Atmoran spirit. By becoming one with Yismir, who before that was also Wulfhearth of Atmora, who in term was from Atmora; Talos, no doubt had taken in the spirit of Atmora. That is the only way I see it is posible to consider him both Breton (Hey he was born in High Rock, not likely that he would be considered Nord) and Atmoran at the same time. But beliving that he was the last Atmoran to come from Atmora, that's absolute nonsense!

      Exactly Tiber Septim was not born in Atmora but born in the city of Alcaire. The last ship from Atmora landed in Skyrim 4000 years before he was born.

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    • ODragono wrote:
      24.253.8.98 wrote:
      Here is an image:

      http://skyrimforums.org/useralbums/5466/standalone

      Image is probably not really Miraak, as Miraak only appears outside of Apocrypha on those occasions when he steals Dragon souls from you, and then those are basically "Cut Scenes" and you wouldn't have any control of them. If you notice, this image is of someone standing outside of what appears to be a cave. My best guess is, it is a Player dressed in Miraaks Armour. 

      Just saying... 


      If it was the PC version you could use console commands to enable player controls during cutscenes disable the AI for everything turning them all into a statue make them equip or uneqip items you could even use console commands to spawn as many miraaks as you like where ever you like

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Everyone seemed to skip my second post. I said that sorces tend to dissagree on that. In my opinion it is nonsense, since by the time that Hialti was born, no one came from Atmora. Oh and didn't they say that the last ship from Atmora was full of dead people anyways? It is absurd that Talos will be both from Atmora and Alcaire at the same time. In my opinion, the reason why some sources say that he was Atmoran, was because he had Atmoran spirit. By becoming one with Yismir, who before that was also Wulfhearth of Atmora, who in term was from Atmora; Talos, no doubt had taken in the spirit of Atmora. That is the only way I see it is posible to consider him both Breton (Hey he was born in High Rock, not likely that he would be considered Nord) and Atmoran at the same time. But beliving that he was the last Atmoran to come from Atmora, that's absolute nonsense!

      Exactly Tiber Septim was not born in Atmora but born in the city of Alcaire. The last ship from Atmora landed in Skyrim 4000 years before he was born.

      @ Legate Alexandros even though he was born in high rock he is a nord and only a nord what your saying is if an argonian was born in orsirium (i think thats what the orcs kingdom is called) he would be considered both argonian and orc... I don't think so

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    • Redexx wrote:
      Sauron isn't. Sauruman isn't. Darth Vader isn't. Ventress isn't.

      Sauron was hot.You know, before he went all evil.Darth Vader kinda was before he became Robo-cop 2.0.

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    • 175.107.177.9 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Everyone seemed to skip my second post. I said that sorces tend to dissagree on that. In my opinion it is nonsense, since by the time that Hialti was born, no one came from Atmora. Oh and didn't they say that the last ship from Atmora was full of dead people anyways? It is absurd that Talos will be both from Atmora and Alcaire at the same time. In my opinion, the reason why some sources say that he was Atmoran, was because he had Atmoran spirit. By becoming one with Yismir, who before that was also Wulfhearth of Atmora, who in term was from Atmora; Talos, no doubt had taken in the spirit of Atmora. That is the only way I see it is posible to consider him both Breton (Hey he was born in High Rock, not likely that he would be considered Nord) and Atmoran at the same time. But beliving that he was the last Atmoran to come from Atmora, that's absolute nonsense!
      Exactly Tiber Septim was not born in Atmora but born in the city of Alcaire. The last ship from Atmora landed in Skyrim 4000 years before he was born.
      @ Legate Alexandros even though he was born in high rock he is a nord and only a nord what your saying is if an argonian was born in orsirium (i think thats what the orcs kingdom is called) he would be considered both argonian and orc... I don't think so

      You got as much proof that Hjalti was a nord as Alexandros have that he was born in Alcaire.Don't assume things this way.

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    • For once, I never said he was born in Atmora. I said that some sources claim that, but that cannot be true. He gained an Atmoran spirit when he became one with Ysmir or Wulfhearth of Atmora.

      The only indication of Talos being a Nord is his original name Hjalti, surprisingly upon researching it myself, I found that Hjalti seems to be an Icelandic name. If anything he could have been a mix of Nord and Breton. Although the article of his brother Agnorith states that Agnorith was an Imperial. That could be an incorect claim, since the little information that we know of Agnorith, is mostly collected from information of his daugher Kintira becoming third ruler of Septim Dynasty. Someone had pointed out that the Poket Book to the Empire, where the information was taken from, did not mentions the race Imperial, they only state that Imperial Crown was passed down from Tiber Septim's grandson Pelagius I, to Tiber Septim's niece Kintira I, since Pelagius I didn't leave any heirs. Although they do claim for the most of Septim Dynasty to be Imperials, but it could have been only because they only married Imperial women, so the offspring of Septims were considered Imperials. There were some exceptions like Pelagius III, Cassynder, and Uriel IV, oh and don't forget Katariah who was a pure Dunmer on the throne of Septim Empire. She was the wife of Altmer/Imperial Pelagius III, and mother of Altmer/Dunmer/Impeiral Cassynder, and a Breton/Dunmer Uriel IV.

      The bottom line is that Talos could have had a Breton mother and a Nord father. Just as well as Nordic origins. He could have been born in Alcaire, named Hjalti Early-Beard, a Breton with Nordic roots, who was brough up in the land of his ancestors, Skyrim. He could have as well be a Nord, born in Nordic family that somehow ended up all the way in the Kingdom of Alcaire, who knows? Although now that I think of it Early-Beard, migh not be his nickname, but his Nordic clan name. They do seem to have last names that look like nicknames, such as clan Battle-Born, Greymane, Shtter-Shields, Cruel-Seas, Silverblood, Snow-shod. It could have as well be that Talos was born in the Nordic family, but it could have as well be the indication that his father was a Nord and insisted on him being name a Nordic name. His mother could have still be a Breton woman, which means his race officialy would be Breton then. Not everyone are like Lucien Lachance, where it is clear that his father was a Breton, but his Imperial mother obviously named him Lucien.

      Now the questions of how the heck the decendants of Agnorith Septim, Tiber Septim's brother, were not only on ruby throne but were able to light the Dragonfires; Starting from Kintyra Septim I and ending with Uriel Septim VII (or Martin Septim)? And how the heck Uriel Septim IV, who's father was so Gallivere Lariat and his mother was a Dunmer Empress of Tamriel; even had Dragonblood in himself to begin with? Well that's a whole different story, don't you think?

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      175.107.177.9 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Everyone seemed to skip my second post. I said that sorces tend to dissagree on that. In my opinion it is nonsense, since by the time that Hialti was born, no one came from Atmora. Oh and didn't they say that the last ship from Atmora was full of dead people anyways? It is absurd that Talos will be both from Atmora and Alcaire at the same time. In my opinion, the reason why some sources say that he was Atmoran, was because he had Atmoran spirit. By becoming one with Yismir, who before that was also Wulfhearth of Atmora, who in term was from Atmora; Talos, no doubt had taken in the spirit of Atmora. That is the only way I see it is posible to consider him both Breton (Hey he was born in High Rock, not likely that he would be considered Nord) and Atmoran at the same time. But beliving that he was the last Atmoran to come from Atmora, that's absolute nonsense!
      Exactly Tiber Septim was not born in Atmora but born in the city of Alcaire. The last ship from Atmora landed in Skyrim 4000 years before he was born.
      @ Legate Alexandros even though he was born in high rock he is a nord and only a nord what your saying is if an argonian was born in orsirium (i think thats what the orcs kingdom is called) he would be considered both argonian and orc... I don't think so
      You got as much proof that Hjalti was a nord as Alexandros have that he was born in Alcaire.Don't assume things this way.

      Evidence of Tiber Septim not being Atmoran


      The last invasion – if that is the word for two ships, largely laden with corpses, begging to make port – occurred in the 68th year of the First Era.

      -Pocket Guide to the Empire, 3rd Edition/Other Lands

      Hjalti was from the island kingdom of Alcaire, in High Rock, and would become Tiber Septim, the First Emperor of Tamriel.

      -The Arcturian Heresy

      Tiber Septim was nothing like the grim grey giant warrior she'd pictured. He was only of middle height, half a head shorter than tall Symmachus

      -The Real Barenziah Part 6 (This can be considered evidence as Atmorans are the ancient humans and would most likely be even taller than Nords themselves)

      "Lingrah krosis saraan Strundu'ul, voth nid balaan klov praan nau. Naal Thu'umu, mu ofan nii nu, Dovahkiin, naal suleyk do Kaan, naal suleyk do Shor, ahrk naal suleyk do Atmorasewuth. Meyz nu Ysmir, Dovahsebrom. Dahmaan daar rok." This translates roughly to "Long has the Storm Crown languished with no worthy brow to sit upon. By our breath we bestow it now to you in the name of Kyne, in the name of Shor, and in the name of Atmora of old. You are Ysmir now, the Dragon of the North. Hearken to it."

      -The Greybeards (This speech was said to both Tiber Septim and the Dovahkiin, recognizes them as Ysmir, most likely reason why Tiber Septim is considered Atmoran)

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      So what are the differences in appearance between Nords and Atmorans? When my Nord character went to Sovengarde and met with Ysgramor (Who was definetly Atmoran in life), I noticed that Ysgramor is a little taller then my Nord. However, I don't know if that means that Atmorans were supposed to be taller then Nords, or that was just because Ysgramor was a great warrior leader, who was taller then most Atmorans. I wish you could compare a Nord to other Atmorans in Sovengarde. Maybe there are some more, but who can remember them by name.
      I'm assuming there are no major differences between the two, considering that the Atmorans became the early nords. Ysgramor was probably taller because he was just a tall guy. Tiber Septim was an Atmoran (one of the last to come to Tamriel) and I've always seen him depicted as a realtively normal guy.
      Tiber Septim is not an Atmoran, the last ship from Atmora landed at Skyrim in 1E68, 4000 years before Tiber Septim was born. Him being a pure Nede is "Nord nonsence"
      According to the page on Atmora, Tiber Septim is said to have been one of the last to come over from Atmora. There is contention though, as a town in High Rock claims he is from there, as opposed to Atmora.
      As I said before Nord noncense, Tiber Septim was born in Alcaire.

      Nord nonsense? you puffed up ignorant...

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    • 83.238.5.206 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      So what are the differences in appearance between Nords and Atmorans? When my Nord character went to Sovengarde and met with Ysgramor (Who was definetly Atmoran in life), I noticed that Ysgramor is a little taller then my Nord. However, I don't know if that means that Atmorans were supposed to be taller then Nords, or that was just because Ysgramor was a great warrior leader, who was taller then most Atmorans. I wish you could compare a Nord to other Atmorans in Sovengarde. Maybe there are some more, but who can remember them by name.
      I'm assuming there are no major differences between the two, considering that the Atmorans became the early nords. Ysgramor was probably taller because he was just a tall guy. Tiber Septim was an Atmoran (one of the last to come to Tamriel) and I've always seen him depicted as a realtively normal guy.
      Tiber Septim is not an Atmoran, the last ship from Atmora landed at Skyrim in 1E68, 4000 years before Tiber Septim was born. Him being a pure Nede is "Nord nonsence"
      According to the page on Atmora, Tiber Septim is said to have been one of the last to come over from Atmora. There is contention though, as a town in High Rock claims he is from there, as opposed to Atmora.
      As I said before Nord noncense, Tiber Septim was born in Alcaire.
      Nord nonsense? you puffed up ignorant...

      I was hoping someone would say that XD

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    • I would second this statement. Dovahsebrom, you are correct. Before our Dragonborn and  Talos became Ysmir, it was Wulfherth of Atmora, an acient Atmoran King, who was brought back to life by Shor on numerous occasions for his deeds. At last, he became Ysmir, an Atmoran God and Avatar of Shor. Although, even if Ysmir is Dragon of the North, he was depicted by Atmorans and Nords of the old as a fox. Yes, the puzzle pillars with reliefs of animals on them reffered to Ancient Nordic Dietiees. Dragon for Alduin, Hawk for Kyne, Serpent for Shor, Whale for Tsun, Bear for Stuhn, Wolf for Mara, Fox for Ysmir, Owl for Jihnal, and Moth for Dibella. I believe, I didn't forget any of the Ancient Nord Deieties in here. Oh and I didn't read that part of real Berinziah yet, but I agree that it does prove that Talos was not a Nord, since he was shorter then the Nord Berinziah already known. I would say given this evidence, it would seem that Talos was more then likely an Imperial, unless I am missguding the heigh comparison. I do believe Imperials are second in hight after Nords, at least amoung the men.

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    • very off topic

      So,i just spawned via console two Alduins,Two Vyrthurs,Two Harkons and Two Miraaks in Riften just to see what could happen.Since Alduin and Miraak are hostile to pretty much anything,everyone just duked it out awesomely.Between the magnificent storm of Alduin's and Miraak's thu'um,i have noticed that my Harkons were naked Vampire Lords named Lord Harkon.It was weird.They only had a shadow where their parts should have been covered with the clothing in normal vampire lords.Strange.Anyway,if any of you feel like being the toughest of the toughest after completing all questlines,try spawning these suckers if you're on PC.It's a epic battle,believe me.

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    • I like spawning large amounts of Stormcloaks and Imperials and have them fight for my entertainment.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      I like spawning large amounts of Stormcloaks and Imperials and have them fight for my entertainment.

      Me too.I also spawn draugr and bandits.It was like this that i had the idea of spawning bosses to duke it out and destroy the city in the process.I won't spawn Cave Bears because Alduin would die so much easily to them.I've just had an idea,i'll spawn Sanguine and Sheogorath,see how they fight!

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    • Uncool.Sheogorath disappeared after a while and Sanguine kept running around screaming "help" like the lesser dremora he is.Guess i'll have to add them to follower faction to make them interactive.

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    • Computer user show offs. Not all of us get to use fancy dancy console commands. Oh that's reminds me, with one of my character, I had a quest from Dawnguard to kill a vampire master that went glitched (You know, when you come to the place, you see the marker over the area where the target supposed to be, but the target simply no where to be found.) That so happened to be at Morwenskar, after I already did Night to Remember. So, when I got to the boss chamber, I found Sanguin, fencing off few vampires and hags (or whoever were there besides them.) After all of the enemies were defeated, there was a marke over the throne where the master vampire supposed to have been, but no one was there. Oh and when I tried to attack Sanguin, to see if he's the problem, my weapon simply kept going trough him, so he wasn't even shruging off my attacks, they simply weren't there for him. He just kept standing there, in his Dremora form.

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    • I thought the ancient Atmorans supposed to be larger and more caveman-ish than modern Nords.

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    • TheGreenSabre wrote:
      I thought the ancient Atmorans supposed to be larger and more caveman-ish than modern Nords.


      No. Ysgramor was atmoran, and he looked like a normal nord.

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    • Perhaps just a little taler then modern Nords, but that could be just Ysgramor, tall even for an Atmoran. Make a Nord character, get trough main quest line, go to Sovenguarde; and there you can talk to Ysgramor, compare your Nord with Ysgramor. He would be wearing ancient Nord Armor, carring Wutrand (sp?), have a long hair style (not sure if you can choose the same yourself), will be slighly taller then your Nord character; but in other ways he would be just like any Nords.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Perhaps just a little taler then modern Nords, but that could be just Ysgramor, tall even for an Atmoran. Make a Nord character, get trough main quest line, go to Sovenguarde; and there you can talk to Ysgramor, compare your Nord with Ysgramor. He would be wearing ancient Nord Armor, carring Wutrand (sp?), have a long hair style (not sure if you can choose the same yourself), will be slighly taller then your Nord character; but in other ways he would be just like any Nords.

      If only I hadn't deleted that Sovngarde save...well I'll be back when I get to Sovngarde on Hunahzoor =p

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    • Oh, just to let you know, once you go out with the "Toungues" to fight Alduin, you cannot go back to the hall of Valor, the doors won't open anymore.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Perhaps just a little taler then modern Nords, but that could be just Ysgramor, tall even for an Atmoran. Make a Nord character, get trough main quest line, go to Sovenguarde; and there you can talk to Ysgramor, compare your Nord with Ysgramor. He would be wearing ancient Nord Armor, carring Wutrand (sp?), have a long hair style (not sure if you can choose the same yourself), will be slighly taller then your Nord character; but in other ways he would be just like any Nords.

      I don't know, Hulking Draugr seem big. The Atmorans were large brutes.

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    • Well I am sure that Hulking Draugr is just a big Draugr. Come to think of it, those that were burried there probably would all be Atmorans. Wasn't it the 13th, or 14th High King of Skyrim after Ysgramor, who finaly declared Skyrim a separate teritory from Atmora, and trully started to distinguish Nords from Atmorans? That mind you had happened in the 1st era, while Return of 500 companions, still took place in Merithic Era. So it seemed to be a long time since Nords were finaly identified as Nords and not Atmorans.

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    • I wonder if the continent is still liveable? Supposedly, most of the human races (except Redguards, who were from Yokuda) originated from Atmora; I'm sure that there are a number of ruins, barrows, forts that may be left intact. It's unknown up to this point if anybody is still alive there given the frozen climate, there could be a new race of men who are taller then the Altmer, more resistent to frost then Nords and their physical appearence could look similar to the ancient Atmorans.

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    • TheGreenSabre wrote:
      1. I wonder if the continent is still liveable?                                                    
      2. Supposedly, most of the human races (except Redguards, who were from Yokuda) originated from Atmora;

      1. It isn't

      2. Actually, they come from skyrim, more specifically, the throat of the world.

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    • TheGreenSabre wrote:
      I wonder if the continent is still liveable? Supposedly, most of the human races (except Redguards, who were from Yokuda) originated from Atmora; I'm sure that there are a number of ruins, barrows, forts that may be left intact. It's unknown up to this point if anybody is still alive there given the frozen climate, there could be a new race of men who are taller then the Altmer, more resistent to frost then Nords and their physical appearence could look similar to the ancient Atmorans.

      I'm pretty sure that Atmora basically froze over. It probably resembles a land like Antarctica. It would be hard to believe that anyone could live there.

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    • There could be White Walkers and Wildlings living there, beyond the Wall.

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      There could be White Walkers and Wildlings living there, beyond the Wall.

      Holy sheit.Yes,there could.And they will return to reclaim their long lost cousins...

      Winter is coming.

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      There could be White Walkers and Wildlings living there, beyond the Wall.

      Don't forget the Giants and Mammoths.

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    • The Nords secret weapon against the forces in the north? Not dragons, not elves, not magic, not Ulfric Stormcloak...

      His name is...

      Hodor

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      The Nords secret weapon against the forces in the north? Not dragons, not elves, not magic, not Ulfric Stormcloak...

      His name is...

      Hodor

      Hodor.

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    • His battlecry is the same as his name! And his greeting. And his curses. And his compliments.

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      His battlecry is the same as his name! And his greeting. And his curses. And his compliments.

      That turns him into the ultimate combatant and diplomat.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      I'm pretty sure that Atmora basically froze over. It probably resembles a land like Antarctica. It would be hard to believe that anyone could live there.


      Yeah, don't think Men can survive below -80°C, even by Nord standard.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Th3Antioch wrote:
      There could be White Walkers and Wildlings living there, beyond the Wall.

      Holy sheit.Yes,there could.And they will return to reclaim their long lost cousins...

      Winter is coming.

      And there be alien pyramid, buried under the ice of Atmora. I smell He-Man rip-off.

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    • TheGreenSabre wrote:

      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Th3Antioch wrote:
      There could be White Walkers and Wildlings living there, beyond the Wall.
      Holy sheit.Yes,there could.And they will return to reclaim their long lost cousins...

      Winter is coming.

      And there be alien pyramid, buried under the ice of Atmora. I smell He-Man rip-off.

      AvWW.... Alien vs White Walkers and NWvP.... Night's Watch vs Predator

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      TheGreenSabre wrote:

      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:


      Th3Antioch wrote:
      There could be White Walkers and Wildlings living there, beyond the Wall.
      Holy sheit.Yes,there could.And they will return to reclaim their long lost cousins...

      Winter is coming.

      And there be alien pyramid, buried under the ice of Atmora. I smell He-Man rip-off.
      AvWW.... Alien vs White Walkers and NWvP.... Night's Watch vs Predator

      You just made Hollywood another 100 million dollars.

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    • Not Hollywood, HBO is going to make some serious dough on this franchise.


      Tagline for AvWW: Deep below the frozen soil of atmora, two great beasts battle for dominance 

      Tagline for NWvP: They took the Black to fight a foe from the black of space

      (They're not that funny I know, maybe someone else can think up better)

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      Not Hollywood, HBO is going to make some serious dough on this franchise.


      Tagline for AvWW: Deep below the frozen soil of atmora, two great beasts battle for dominance 

      Tagline for NWvP: They took the Black to fight a foe from the black of space

      (They're not that funny I know, maybe someone else can think up better)

      This could be a good basis for a trailer of this movie.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkVhMUH0nEc&feature=c4-overview&list=LLbkwdBRwvC-fLJWpM2_vxTQ

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      Not Hollywood, HBO is going to make some serious dough on this franchise.


      Tagline for AvWW: Deep below the frozen soil of atmora, two great beasts battle for dominance 

      Tagline for NWvP: They took the Black to fight a foe from the black of space

      (They're not that funny I know, maybe someone else can think up better)

      (I try my best).

      Tagline for AvWW: Deep beneath the cold where nothing from the surface is safe, the "danger" lies within.

      Tagline for NWvP: They picked the wrong men to hunt.


      AvWW - Starring: Jack Black and Gary Busey.


      NWvP - Starring: Bruce Willis and Chris Tucker

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    • Returning to the topic,i used the id in the article to spawn him on High Hrothgar,watched him gettin shouted to bits,took his clothes and came to the conclusion that he looks nothing alike the image on this thread.He is actually ugly as a dreugh.I'm trying to upload the screenshot to the wikia but my damned connection won't let me,in some time i'll post it here.

      Edit:Here,check it out.

      Beware,Miraak is not pleasant to look at.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Returning to the topic,i used the id in the article to spawn him on High Hrothgar,watched him gettin shouted to bits,took his clothes and came to the conclusion that he looks nothing alike the image on this thread.He is actually ugly as a dreugh.I'm trying to upload the screenshot to the wikia but my damned connection won't let me,in some time i'll post it here.

      Edit:Here,check it out.

      Beware,Miraak is not pleasant to look at.

      Okay Miraak is one fugly guy to look at now isn't he?

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    • King of Skyrim wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Returning to the topic,i used the id in the article to spawn him on High Hrothgar,watched him gettin shouted to bits,took his clothes and came to the conclusion that he looks nothing alike the image on this thread.He is actually ugly as a dreugh.I'm trying to upload the screenshot to the wikia but my damned connection won't let me,in some time i'll post it here.

      Edit:Here,check it out.

      Beware,Miraak is not pleasant to look at.

      Okay Miraak is one fugly guy to look at now isn't he?

      Not really,well,at least not as all the others.I was just expressing my surprise at looking his not that impressive face after all of that epic battle.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      King of Skyrim wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Returning to the topic,i used the id in the article to spawn him on High Hrothgar,watched him gettin shouted to bits,took his clothes and came to the conclusion that he looks nothing alike the image on this thread.He is actually ugly as a dreugh.I'm trying to upload the screenshot to the wikia but my damned connection won't let me,in some time i'll post it here.

      Edit:Here,check it out.

      Beware,Miraak is not pleasant to look at.

      Okay Miraak is one fugly guy to look at now isn't he?
      Not really,well,at least not as all the others.I was just expressing my surprise at looking his not that impressive face after all of that epic battle.

      I mean, no one knows if they're destined for anything (Unless you're a prince or something). He was a normal nord kid, running around solstheim, playing pranks on the dragons, and one day he became the most powerful dude on the planet at that time.

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      King of Skyrim wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Returning to the topic,i used the id in the article to spawn him on High Hrothgar,watched him gettin shouted to bits,took his clothes and came to the conclusion that he looks nothing alike the image on this thread.He is actually ugly as a dreugh.I'm trying to upload the screenshot to the wikia but my damned connection won't let me,in some time i'll post it here.

      Edit:Here,check it out.

      Beware,Miraak is not pleasant to look at.

      Okay Miraak is one fugly guy to look at now isn't he?
      Not really,well,at least not as all the others.I was just expressing my surprise at looking his not that impressive face after all of that epic battle.
      I mean, no one knows if they're destined for anything (Unless you're a prince or something). He was a normal nord kid, running around solstheim, playing pranks on the dragons, and one day he became the most powerful dude on the planet at that time.

      Kind of like the Last Dragonborn.He was just a dumb drug addict,trying to chase off a mountain goat who got into the Skyrim border,making him walk right into a civil war battle.

      I guess Akatosh have a sadistic sense of humor.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      King of Skyrim wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Returning to the topic,i used the id in the article to spawn him on High Hrothgar,watched him gettin shouted to bits,took his clothes and came to the conclusion that he looks nothing alike the image on this thread.He is actually ugly as a dreugh.I'm trying to upload the screenshot to the wikia but my damned connection won't let me,in some time i'll post it here.

      Edit:Here,check it out.

      Beware,Miraak is not pleasant to look at.

      Okay Miraak is one fugly guy to look at now isn't he?
      Not really,well,at least not as all the others.I was just expressing my surprise at looking his not that impressive face after all of that epic battle.
      I mean, no one knows if they're destined for anything (Unless you're a prince or something). He was a normal nord kid, running around solstheim, playing pranks on the dragons, and one day he became the most powerful dude on the planet at that time.
      Kind of like the Last Dragonborn.He was just a dumb drug addict,trying to chase off a mountain goat who got into the Skyrim border,making him walk right into a civil war battle.

      I guess Akatosh have a sadistic sense of humor.

      More schadenfreude than sadistic.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      King of Skyrim wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Returning to the topic,i used the id in the article to spawn him on High Hrothgar,watched him gettin shouted to bits,took his clothes and came to the conclusion that he looks nothing alike the image on this thread.He is actually ugly as a dreugh.I'm trying to upload the screenshot to the wikia but my damned connection won't let me,in some time i'll post it here.

      Edit:Here,check it out.

      Beware,Miraak is not pleasant to look at.

      Okay Miraak is one fugly guy to look at now isn't he?
      Not really,well,at least not as all the others.I was just expressing my surprise at looking his not that impressive face after all of that epic battle.
      I mean, no one knows if they're destined for anything (Unless you're a prince or something). He was a normal nord kid, running around solstheim, playing pranks on the dragons, and one day he became the most powerful dude on the planet at that time.
      Kind of like the Last Dragonborn.He was just a dumb drug addict,trying to chase off a mountain goat who got into the Skyrim border,making him walk right into a civil war battle.

      I guess Akatosh have a sadistic sense of humor.

      More schadenfreude than sadistic.

      Alright you have to admit that he isn't the best looking Nord out there right?

      And plus, he tried to kill you multiple times, I think of him only as fugly for that!

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    • But why is e wearing chthulhu?

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    • Nait Nelthar wrote:
      But why is e wearing chthulhu?

      BECAUSE HERMA MORA IS A LOVECRAFTIAN COSMIC WIPDY DOODY HORROR

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    • ... Are you a duck?

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    • who gives a f*ck?

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    • He looks like a breton.

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    • King of Skyrim wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Th3Antioch wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      King of Skyrim wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Returning to the topic,i used the id in the article to spawn him on High Hrothgar,watched him gettin shouted to bits,took his clothes and came to the conclusion that he looks nothing alike the image on this thread.He is actually ugly as a dreugh.I'm trying to upload the screenshot to the wikia but my damned connection won't let me,in some time i'll post it here.

      Edit:Here,check it out.

      Beware,Miraak is not pleasant to look at.

      Okay Miraak is one fugly guy to look at now isn't he?
      Not really,well,at least not as all the others.I was just expressing my surprise at looking his not that impressive face after all of that epic battle.
      I mean, no one knows if they're destined for anything (Unless you're a prince or something). He was a normal nord kid, running around solstheim, playing pranks on the dragons, and one day he became the most powerful dude on the planet at that time.
      Kind of like the Last Dragonborn.He was just a dumb drug addict,trying to chase off a mountain goat who got into the Skyrim border,making him walk right into a civil war battle.

      I guess Akatosh have a sadistic sense of humor.

      More schadenfreude than sadistic.
      Alright you have to admit that he isn't the best looking Nord out there right?

      And plus, he tried to kill you multiple times, I think of him only as fugly for that!

      lol,that was just what i was saying,finding good looking nords is difficult.

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    • No he doesn't

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    • Caractacus IV wrote:
      He looks like a breton.

      He's a nord.The potato nose gives it away.

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    • When you are creating a character, and you pick a breton, the starting look is what miraak looks like.

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    • Nay it's not,i just saw it when i spawned Miraak after i tangled a while with a mod that allowed me to use the creation menu more freely mid game.The starting Breton start with thick eyebrows and shaggy hairstyle.

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    • Wanna know who's fugly?

      The begger in Markarth, not trying to change the subject, just thought he was ugly.....

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    • The khajiit have more of a scooby hairstyle. (I just felt like saying something strange)

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    • Or the Orc's in Oblivion, I always named mine Shrek because they were so freaking green!!!

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    • And so ugly...

      And so uncool to look at.The orc design in Skyrim leaves them badass looking.I've yet to find a mod for Oblivion that changes the orsimer appearance to a more bearable version.

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    • I think the Khajiit were the ugliest in Oblivion.

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    • Dar-Ma disagree.I think that was why the Brethen kindapped her.But then,argonians are ugly all the same.

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    • Argonians are sexy.

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    • Well at least the Argonians keep a lizardy look. I have no idea what the Oblivion Khajiit is supposed to be.

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    • Or how about those Sload guys? they look like Snooki on a bad day...

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    • TOO IN DEPTH FOR MY SIMPLISTIC GAMER BRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why can't I play a game and go to a wiki without it being to in depth (I don't mean to offend anyone)

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    • Crap, forgot an O.  O?...O??...OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?????

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    • Well wikis are sort of for people who want to go in depth into a topic.

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    • And, for people who just want some Skyrim tips

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    • well if you want small tips then the forums really aren't the place.

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    • If you need tips, then start a question in the forum on off-topic...

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    • I came to talk about Mirrak's ugly face, and this place IS linked to the Wiki

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    • Well the topic changed (they always do)

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    • We go from Miraak's ugly puss to Tiber Septim being a Breton to a new HBO movie franchise then BACK to Miraak's ugly puss to the ugly pusses of the races of Oblivion? Can a thread ever keep to it's original purpose?

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    • Nay.It goes against the order of nature.

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    • Only rp's can keep to their original purple :p

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    • Id think the face shown in the images isnt REALLY his face. I mean it might be on his model but id say its the same of the burned man from fallout new vegas. You were never meant to see his face so they didnt bother giving his face any real unique features.

      The burned man in new vegas if you use console commands to remove his bandages looks completely normal, no scars or anything.

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    • Make that picture a bit smaller.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Make that picture a bit smaller.

      why ? don't you just love to view a Nordic beauty......

      wkwkwkwwkwk

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    • Dude, just make the picture smaller.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Dude, just make the picture smaller.

      there i do it......... specially for you......;]

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    • Good man...

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    • he was brought into apocrypha which is sort of purgatory
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    • i found this truly amazing pic from Deviantart which depicted Miraaks true face Cleverly

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    • his face is like that because it wasn't supposed to be shown and the creators of Skyrim didn't mind and just put a random face.


      P.S just a guess

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    • Hbxn wrote:
      i found this truly amazing pic from Deviantart which depicted Miraaks true face Cleverly

      Yah I have seen that before, it is from this mod.

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    • For some reason that Mirak have carved Nordic sword, instead of his Mirak's sword.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      For some reason that Mirak have carved Nordic sword, instead of his Mirak's sword.

      The guy who took the pic probably didn't give him Miraak's sword.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Hbxn wrote:
      i found this truly amazing pic from Deviantart which depicted Miraaks true face Cleverly
      Yah I have seen that before, it is from this mod.

      That looks like Dovahkiin not Miraak.

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    • That is nither, the mod seems to add a follower who happens to be half dragon, half human. Well, I guess technically speaking you could think of him as Dragonborn. But indeed, the human part of the face, does seems like a generic representation, of Nordic Dovahkiin.

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    • i actually like the way that bethesda made miraak look, he has this sort of evil presence around him. i would think that spending centuries wearing a mask and not seeing any daylight would probably make his hair to fall out, i understand that the reason he's nordic and not dunmer is because he was a dragon priest, i would guess all of the dragon priests where more than likely nords, the draugr who give them their life energy every morning are nords. i wouldnt mind if he was a dunmer though, they're the reason i even learned about the elder scrolls. i myself am a breton but i have a huge respect towards the dunmer race.

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    • Man, I really thought miraak was a Breton. Because if you look close enough, his swirly thing that rsists magic looks alot like the swirly thing from the breton power.

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    • 75.67.16.151 wrote:
      Man, I really thought miraak was a Breton. Because if you look close enough, his swirly thing that rsists magic looks alot like the swirly thing from the breton power.

      Miraak is from a time when Nords didn't even know Bretons existed.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:

      75.67.16.151 wrote:
      Man, I really thought miraak was a Breton. Because if you look close enough, his swirly thing that rsists magic looks alot like the swirly thing from the breton power.

      Miraak is from a time when Nords didn't even know Bretons existed.

      Bretons didn't exist in Miraak's time. He is from the Merethic Era, Bretons only appeared in the 1st Era.

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    • Harold Burned-Mane wrote:

      Dovahsebrom wrote:

      75.67.16.151 wrote:
      Man, I really thought miraak was a Breton. Because if you look close enough, his swirly thing that rsists magic looks alot like the swirly thing from the breton power.
      Miraak is from a time when Nords didn't even know Bretons existed.
      Bretons didn't exist in Miraak's time. He is from the Merethic Era, Bretons only appeared in the 1st Era.

      Bretons were first discovered by nords in the early 1st era, when they actually came to be isn't necessarily known.

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    • Actually his face isn't fixed, people just used Vanturian, he had a Miraak follower mod, and when he took off the mask by accident, Miraak was the ugly bald black eyed dude, in reality, his face isn't fixed within game.

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    • I found a picture of Miraak's face. It's nothing to do with the other one. Bald, black eyes...

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    • HolyWyvern wrote: I found a picture of Miraak's face. It's nothing to do with the other one. Bald, black eyes...

      That's how he appeared on my game, which means his appearance is fixed.

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    • You know, for a villainous Dragonborn who's hellbent on taking over Solstheim and rendering everyone's mind helpless, he looks like a pretty normal guy.

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    • XD I would have expected him to be a draugr, you know, he stayed looking fine after like 5000 years!

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    • TastyGamingWithRibz wrote: XD I would have expected him to be a draugr, you know, he stayed looking fine after like 5000 years!

      If you think that can be considered "fine" (dat hair m8) :D. Also, don't forget, he spent all those years in Oblivion, so aging isn't taken into account.

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    • I just bought Oblivion, so I guess I would have learned that in there........ I dunno, I don't read in Skyrim. It is fine because his face is not mangled and looks like Freddy Crougar or whatever. But anyays, he still is young looking for a man who is over a thousand years old and was a puppet to a Daedra. You would expect him to have a few marks here and there with H.M on him, oh wait, he is Hannah Montana's pawn now, wonderful. /).- The moment you realize....

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    • How did youse manage to remove his mask? I tried the "removeallitems" while making sure I clicked on him and it did not work, it only removed his gloves and boots. It works on other characters but not Miraak.

      Also, like others that managed to remove his mask have shown, they have a different Miraak face, meaning his face is not fixed. Which is correct, because Miraak's face was not supposed to be shown in game, ever. He was never supposed to have a specific face, the devs never modeled him one, and rightfully so, in the gaming industry, you don't model what won't be visible, it's a basic (rather logical) rule.

      So yeah, people should probably stop insulting him and stuff, 'cause what youse see ain't his face, he doesn't have a canonical face, lol. Just sayin'.

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    • Mimihigurashi wrote: How did youse manage to remove his mask? I tried the "removeallitems" while making sure I clicked on him and it did not work, it only removed his gloves and boots. It works on other characters but not Miraak.

      Also, like others that managed to remove his mask have shown, they have a different Miraak face, meaning his face is not fixed. Which is correct, because Miraak's face was not supposed to be shown in game, ever. He was never supposed to have a specific face, the devs never modeled him one, and rightfully so, in the gaming industry, you don't model what won't be visible, it's a basic (rather logical) rule.

      So yeah, people should probably stop insulting him and stuff, 'cause what youse see ain't his face, he doesn't have a canonical face, lol. Just sayin'.

      But that's untrue, since the image Wyvern posted has the same Miraak that appeared on my game. To answer your question, I was bored, so I just spawned him at High Hrothgar and watched the ensuing Thu'um battle that culminated in Miraak's death. Then, as the standard Dragonborn procedure requires, I striped him naked, revealing his not-so-impressive face. Then, I took a screenshot of it and posted it here, although it's experiecing some issues right now.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Mimihigurashi wrote: How did youse manage to remove his mask? I tried the "removeallitems" while making sure I clicked on him and it did not work, it only removed his gloves and boots. It works on other characters but not Miraak.

      Also, like others that managed to remove his mask have shown, they have a different Miraak face, meaning his face is not fixed. Which is correct, because Miraak's face was not supposed to be shown in game, ever. He was never supposed to have a specific face, the devs never modeled him one, and rightfully so, in the gaming industry, you don't model what won't be visible, it's a basic (rather logical) rule.

      So yeah, people should probably stop insulting him and stuff, 'cause what youse see ain't his face, he doesn't have a canonical face, lol. Just sayin'.

      But that's untrue, since the image Wyvern posted has the same Miraak that appeared on my game. To answer your question, I was bored, so I just spawned him at High Hrothgar and watched the ensuing Thu'um battle that culminated in Miraak's death. Then, as the standard Dragonborn procedure requires, I striped him naked, revealing his not-so-impressive face. Then, I took a screenshot of it and posted it here, although it's experiecing some issues right now.

      This image

      And this image http://skyrimforums.org/sf/useralbums/5466/standalone

      Are two different "Miraaks". The fact that we have two different faces is enough evidence to prove that the face is not fixed. I'm sorry, but I find the fact that people are arguing that a character whose face was never supposed to be revealed in game, can be accurately revealed via cheats, quite ridiculous and silly. The developers never intended to show his face, thus, he does not have a face. Even if this weren't true, why does the Wikia still say that his face is randomized and randomzies again if you reload a quicksave? One would think the Wikia of such a great game as Skyrim would not keep false information.

      And strange, I spawned and killed him too, but when I took his armor it would not actually take it off, except for the gloves and boots.

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    • Mimihigurashi wrote:

      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Mimihigurashi wrote: How did youse manage to remove his mask? I tried the "removeallitems" while making sure I clicked on him and it did not work, it only removed his gloves and boots. It works on other characters but not Miraak.

      Also, like others that managed to remove his mask have shown, they have a different Miraak face, meaning his face is not fixed. Which is correct, because Miraak's face was not supposed to be shown in game, ever. He was never supposed to have a specific face, the devs never modeled him one, and rightfully so, in the gaming industry, you don't model what won't be visible, it's a basic (rather logical) rule.

      So yeah, people should probably stop insulting him and stuff, 'cause what youse see ain't his face, he doesn't have a canonical face, lol. Just sayin'.

      But that's untrue, since the image Wyvern posted has the same Miraak that appeared on my game. To answer your question, I was bored, so I just spawned him at High Hrothgar and watched the ensuing Thu'um battle that culminated in Miraak's death. Then, as the standard Dragonborn procedure requires, I striped him naked, revealing his not-so-impressive face. Then, I took a screenshot of it and posted it here, although it's experiecing some issues right now.

      This image

      And this image http://skyrimforums.org/sf/useralbums/5466/standalone

      Are two different "Miraaks". The fact that we have two different faces is enough evidence to prove that the face is not fixed. I'm sorry, but I find the fact that people are arguing that a character whose face was never supposed to be revealed in game, can be accurately revealed via cheats, quite ridiculous and silly. The developers never intended to show his face, thus, he does not have a face. Even if this weren't true, why does the Wikia still say that his face is randomized and randomzies again if you reload a quicksave? One would think the Wikia of such a great game as Skyrim would not keep false information.

      And strange, I spawned and killed him too, but when I took his armor it would not actually take it off, except for the gloves and boots.

      1. The appearance he has on the second picture is explained on this very thread. Some modder altered his face when making him a follower. Which means the first picture is of his 'true' face.
      2. I know there are more meaningful things to discuss, but if people are interested in knowing what the bugger looks like, it doesn't hurt to reveal his face, even though it's probably not serious and the developers didn't spend much effort in it.
      3. You do realize wikis can be edited by anyone, right? That means information is not always reliable, although we, as staff or members, sure do try to keep it as true as possible.
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    • You can discuss all you want, my only point is that whatever results you find are invalid, because the devs never built him a face to begin with. And I don't mean to come across as condescending or anything like that, I hope you understand where I'm coming from and what I mean.

      Yes obviously wikis can be edited by anyone, but like you said, the staff and members would change the information if it was not accurate.

      Edit: forgot to quote, this message is @ above one.

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    • I just changed it to remove the modded image and false info.

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    • I think his face should be deformed and corrupted for all those secrets and vast ammounts of knowledge he gained from Apothryca. I bet Mora was probably trying to slowly make him suffer, until he found the dragonborn and had him kill miraak.

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