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Who would be the best Steward?

  • I'm trying to figure out who would make the best steward for Lakeview Manor. Rayya is obviously there and will stay there, I plan to marry Farkas, adopt Lucia and a boy (dunno who yet) and can't figure out who to hire as a steward.


    I have Annekke Crag-jumper, Erik the Slayer, Ghorbash the Iron Hand, Illa, and Talvas Fathryon for choices but I'd like someone who can't die so I know Farkas and Rayya won't die.

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    • I thought all stewards and followers were "protected"... meaning that if they take too much damage (by someone other than you) that they would just drop to their knees while they regain health. Or are you worried that you might accidentally hit them and kill them?

      Mjoll and Derkeethus can't die. Don't know if they are options for steward though.

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    • From what I read they can die. They will drop to their knees but if someone hits them then and finishes them off they will die. That's why I want to figure out who is going to be best for a steward at Lakeview Manor.

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    • Followers can Die while in your service but that almost always entails the final blow be struck by the Dragonborn. There is also a some evidence that they may be killed in Transit after dismissed from service and in the same cell as the dragonborn.

      There are only 2 permenent (unkillable) folowers a Khajit at the Mages college a Lizard minor

      Correction 3 forgot about Mjoll

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    • As far as a Lakeview HouseCarl is concerned Rayya is a very tough one. I just borrowed one set of her swords and enchanted them (they come out of her inventory as pairs and must be given back the same way)

      I keep my Family at Lakeview and I wanted a tough HouseCarl to protect them (a little RP there I know) So I took them all out for a spin and I was very impressed by Rayya so she has remained at Lakeview manor for me.

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    • @Kunigonde


      Did you hire her as a steward or no though? I plan to leave Rayya there with Farkas and the two kids at all time as I barely ever take a follower with me (may try out one follower but so far I prefer not to have any). So she will be there either way I do plan on giving her some upgraded gear just like with Farkas and whoever I hire as a Steward if possible.

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    • Hmm interesting point.

      First off yes I did hire her as my housecarl.

      But you are thinking that since she is already there as your "Housecarl in waiting" you can hire another and have three powerful fighters occupying Lakeview. Right?

      I have not tried that.

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    • I suggest having Rayya as your Housecarl. She is awesome because she is the only Housecarl, other than Irileth, who isn't a Nord. I am playing as a Redguard paladin and I might even decide to marry her when I become Thane of Falkreath (a.k.a., when she shows up in the game).

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    • @R is For Rocket


      She is staying as my housecarl. The title of the thread is me asking who would make the best steward. I am keeping her as a Housecarl, Farkas will be my husband and that leaves the Steward option open so I will have 3 NPCs to protect the house and the two kids (even though they are immortal anyway). She will always remain as a housecarl.


      Also guys she is given to you as a housecarl the minute you become Thane of Falkreath you have no option on keeping her or not.

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    • Something else to consider is that the limited number possible stewards is further reduced by the fact that many will bug or glitch and wander off. That was another reason I chose to stay with Rayya.

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    • I might as well since I know Rayya will be staying there. I figure her and Farkas will be able to handle it.

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    • Definitely not Erik the Slayer, he is so freaking annoying. Everytime I walk into my house I hear, "You're back! Are we going on another adventure?!" I mean I understand you're excited to go on adventures but god damn he needs to chill out. I'm also pretty sure that he wants to get it in with Aela. He's always like 3ft away from her everytime I get home.

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    • Omg that's bad. O-o'

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    • My Housecarl in the home North of white run always says "Are you lost?" Like its his house. I might actually kill him one day for it. soo annoying.

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    • My Steward for Lakeview is Faendal simply becuse he was very useful when i started out and the house is in a wood so i thought a Wood Elf archer would be handy to have around, a downside is he won't shut up about how great Camilla Valerius is. I'm afraid to say though their not going to protect the house as you wanted, my wife was still kidnapped (in the glitchiest way possable) with Reya and Faendal there and it was my cow who actually killed the bandit outside the house with the ransom note the Steward and Housecarl did nothing.

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    • Kunigonde wrote:
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      There are only 2 permenent (unkillable) folowers a Khajit at the Mages college a Lizard minor

      For the record, J'zargo is protected but not essential--I accidentally killed him with an arrow once. He just has no level cap.

      @ Kunigonde again: yeah a few of my housecarls and my bard do that too :/ I'm always saying IT'S MY GODDAMN HOUSE. They also say things like, "I trust you're not planning any trouble, how can I help you, friend?" Like I'm some thug breaking into my own house. Thanks guys.

      Anyway as for the original question, it depends on how many people you wanna have in your house. If you already have a housecarl, a spouse, and children, adding a steward might make things crowded. In that case you might want Rayya to pull double duty as a housecarl/steward, that's what I did. I don't think any essential characters can be stewards, unless you exploit the Totems of Hircine quest to make Aela the Huntress essential.

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    • Actually I been thinking I may just make Rayya as housecarl/steward. I'm just afraid of her dying while away that's why I wanted a third essential NPC to stay and keep people protected.

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    • i always put maurico for my steward at lakeview manor, he's a powerful destruction mage and along with rayya and the carrige driver they make an awesome team defending the homstead.maurcio can slay almost anything

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    • Most followers are already friends of the dragonborn, or in his service....

      Some specific Mercenaries can be made into Stewards....eliminating their fee, and resetting their home location to that manor... You then can obtain your housecarl from the jarl of the region....

      on legit games, you need pickpocketing perks to permanately change their armor...

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    • Eek I forgot to check back! /lame Anyway I think I may go with Rayya, Maurico, or Talvas as a steward. Thanks a lot guys! :D

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    • I'm not sure if it was a glitch or not, but when I got Marcurio to be my Steward the only option I had on him was to get him to follow me, which did nothing.

      Also, does anyone know what happens to Aerin when you get Mjoll to follow you, marry you, or become your steward? He constantly follows her around and I'm wondering if he would be following you on your adventures kinda like a Squire.

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    • I hear thats pretty much how it works. I hear he follows you until he gets himself killed.

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    • VAULTEER wrote:
      I'm not sure if it was a glitch or not, but when I got Marcurio to be my Steward the only option I had on him was to get him to follow me, which did nothing.

      Also, does anyone know what happens to Aerin when you get Mjoll to follow you, marry you, or become your steward? He constantly follows her around and I'm wondering if he would be following you on your adventures kinda like a Squire.

      With Marcurio, he always wants to travel with you, so you have to wait one or two days for him not to offer to travel with you for free, then he will do everything else.

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    • VAULTEER wrote:
      I'm not sure if it was a glitch or not, but when I got Marcurio to be my Steward the only option I had on him was to get him to follow me, which did nothing.

      Also, does anyone know what happens to Aerin when you get Mjoll to follow you, marry you, or become your steward? He constantly follows her around and I'm wondering if he would be following you on your adventures kinda like a Squire.

      If Mjoll becomes a blade apparently Aerin will move to Sky Haven, with her and if you take the Blades Recruits Dragon hunting he will tag along (and will quickly get eaten). I've used her as a follower and he stays put in Riften so it looks like Aerin will follow Mjoll anywhere IF shes not your follower (so if you marry or make her a Steward he will move in to your house).

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    • Sounds like you can get your own little town going on then if you get her to stay at your house one way or another.

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    • It's kind of creepy if you marry her. That is why Aerin mysteriously "disappears" whenever I get Mjoll as a steward/Blade/wife.

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    • i went with sven until he died by those damn bandits. then i took roggi-knotbeard. ijust wanted someone with normal clothes not amor

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    • I'd be fine with whatever they was wearing as long as bandits don't kill them. I'm figuring Rayya, Farkas and if I go with a steward and the bard and Carriage driver that it'll be well protected.

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    • I usually just use Lydia, she's strong, has the same armour as Rayya, and pittiful Breezehome doesn't really need a protector like Lakeview. I think it would have been a good idea if you could have built a fence or something, or just add more stuff outside to make the place look like someone lives there and Bandits are not welcome/the Giant's bathroom is occupado. Also more people would have been nice.

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    • They should've made it so that Cicero can be a steward, that would be something.

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    • Cicero is awesome, I just don't like killing all the people to get him. It makes the world feel more empty than it already is. I used to not care if people died, but when 90% of Solitude is killed by a single Dragon, people tend to change their minds.

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    • We like Eola, Namira's disciple. She is a very good fighter and a powerful mage. Having her and Rayya outside the house makes even dragons easy to kill. Regular bandits and giants often die before our Dragonborn can get in a single hit.

      As for the place not having enough people, a steward, a bard, two children, a housecarl and a carriage driver makes a Hearthfire manor larger than Shor's Stone. All the stuff outside; the garden, apiary, stall with cow and chickens, stable with horse and carriage with driver, the place doesn't look deserted at all.

      p.s., Eola is a Breton, not a Nord., and she has a good sense of humor. (Like when she kills a foe she sometimes makes a remark about not being just a pretty face,)

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    • DarthOrc wrote:
      We like Eola, Namira's disciple. She is a very good fighter and a powerful mage. Having her and Rayya outside the house makes even dragons easy to kill. Regular bandits and giants often die before our Dragonborn can get in a single hit.

      As for the place not having enough people, a steward, a bard, two children, a housecarl and a carriage driver makes a Hearthfire manor larger than Shor's Stone. All the stuff outside; the garden, apiary, stall with cow and chickens, stable with horse and carriage with driver, the place doesn't look deserted at all.

      p.s., Eola is a Breton, not a Nord., and she has a good sense of humor. (Like when she kills a foe she sometimes makes a remark about not being just a pretty face,)

      Shor's Stone has more buildings, and is more open, as well as being along a main road, a watchtower (Yes, destroyed somewhat), a mine, and people that scale with you, unlike Followers that are stuck at a set level, making them weak to scaling enemies.

      Edit: Not to mention that Lakeview gets attacked way more often than Shor's Stone does. I will give that any Manor seems better than Old Hroldan though. That place is just plaine barren. Not a single guard. The closest one is up the path in that mine.

      Doesn't that mean that Eola has generic Bandit fight dialogue then? I've heard that quote before, not sure where but it sounds like it came from a Bandit.

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    • VAULTEER wrote:
      I usually just use Lydia, she's strong, has the same armour as Rayya, and pittiful Breezehome doesn't really need a protector like Lakeview. I think it would have been a good idea if you could have built a fence or something, or just add more stuff outside to make the place look like someone lives there and Bandits are not welcome/the Giant's bathroom is occupado. Also more people would have been nice.


      Honestly I think at least one tower in the front and in the back of the manor would have been nice or the abilitiy to hire gaurds would have been better. Would like to have about 3-4 garuds walking around the area trying to protect it. You could upgrade their armor like a normal follower but they could not follow you. It may sound a bit OP but it's your house and you have to deal with Dragons, bandits, vampires, other factions and even giants. :/

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    • Eugh, Eola's a creep. In battle, she says things like "I'll drink your blood and feast on your flesh" or "I'll grind your bones for my bread". That's why i ripped her apart and ate her face after i had dinner with her in Reachcliff cave. After i fed on brother Verulus for the main course, i transformed into a Werewolf and had all the cannibalistic dinner guests for dessert, including Eola. God, all the blood...

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      Eugh, Eola's a creep. In battle, she says things like "I'll drink your blood and feast on your flesh" or "I'll grind your bones for my bread". That's why i ripped her apart and ate her face after i had dinner with her in Reachcliff cave. After i fed on brother Verulus for the main course, i transformed into a Werewolf and had all the cannibalistic dinner guests for dessert, including Eola. God, all the blood...


      And who's the bigger creep?

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      Eugh, Eola's a creep. In battle, she says things like "I'll drink your blood and feast on your flesh" or "I'll grind your bones for my bread". That's why i ripped her apart and ate her face after i had dinner with her in Reachcliff cave. After i fed on brother Verulus for the main course, i transformed into a Werewolf and had all the cannibalistic dinner guests for dessert, including Eola. God, all the blood...

      Why kill all the merchants of Markarth? Especially that general store owner.

      Edit: Also, Dragons and Vampires are the biggest annoyance ever. Killing entire towns because the guards don't get to them fast enough and so the dumb citizens decide to play hero...against a Dragon.

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    • That's what annoys me. Idk how many times I've went back to a old save just to try to keep the town from being destroyed. Would be nice if after so long the NPCs respawned like the bandits and the animals.

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    • I use Lydia as the Steward and keep Rayya as the housecarl at the Lakeveiw Manor. How I like to set it up at my homesteads are to equip the steward and Housecarl with enchanted Daedric weapons. One will get a one handed weapon with a shield and the other gets a bow with glass arrows (or better). This is a nice combonation that seems to keep enemies off balance and on the move (usualy chasing the npc with the bow, while the one handed attacking npc hunts the enemy on the move)...

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    • @DarthOrc Hogni Red-Arm is a bigger creep in my opinion. When i talked to him during Namira's feast, he simply said "The bloodiest beef in the Reach", and laughed menacingly. So when i assumed the mantle of the Werewolf, i hastily sprinted toward him and used both my muscular fur coated beast arms and grabbed him by his fat head, lifted him up in the air, and forcefully squeezed his dome. There was this one part where his painful screaming came to a sudden halt and you could just hear the pop of his skull go, when that happened, all the dinner guests upchucked human bones and red slops, presumably the food they had just recently consumed. Then Eola stood up and expressed her joy by giving me a round of applause, then i went on to eat her. 

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    • What would have actually been nice is if the people living in your house would defend it from attack instead of sitting at the table in the house eating a meal while bandits are busy slaughtering my cow and chickens outside as well as my horse upon arrival. Meanwhile my housecarl is off wandering the hillside and is never around when he is needed. My wife never sleeps in the bed with me. I hear about a doggie but cant find the thing anywhere. Whats the point in having the tower on your home if no one ever uses it? My steward walks around in her underwear because she wasnt wearing her original armor anymore at the time I made her a steward.My wife wears armor everywhere and my steward runs around in her underwear and my bard is always looking at me like she wants to cut my throat in my sleep. My adopted daughter is more useful than anyone else once i gave her a legendary steel dagger. She kills the rats when they show up without a problem. The boy never does anything.

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    • You sound like quite the promiscuous ladies man, a naked female steward, a female bard who eyeballs you, your wife wears armor to look kinky but refuses to sleep with you because she suspects that you're sleeping with the other women...

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    • 24.32.175.155 wrote:
      What would have actually been nice is if the people living in your house would defend it from attack instead of sitting at the table in the house eating a meal while bandits are busy slaughtering my cow and chickens outside as well as my horse upon arrival. Meanwhile my housecarl is off wandering the hillside and is never around when he is needed. My wife never sleeps in the bed with me. I hear about a doggie but cant find the thing anywhere. Whats the point in having the tower on your home if no one ever uses it? My steward walks around in her underwear because she wasnt wearing her original armor anymore at the time I made her a steward.My wife wears armor everywhere and my steward runs around in her underwear and my bard is always looking at me like she wants to cut my throat in my sleep. My adopted daughter is more useful than anyone else once i gave her a legendary steel dagger. She kills the rats when they show up without a problem. The boy never does anything.

      Nice Rant...You can breath now..go ahead ...its all right

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    • Demonicvampiregirl wrote:
      That's what annoys me. Idk how many times I've went back to a old save just to try to keep the town from being destroyed. Would be nice if after so long the NPCs respawned like the bandits and the animals.

      Or have them actually all run away when an enemy starts combat, which won't attack the citizens, unlike what they usually do, attacking dragons with STEEL DAGGERS. Also, having  more citizens that respawn could be done by having Fallout 3-style generic people, with poor armour and weapons (Like all of Skyrim, apparently). It would ahve added a more 'lively' feel to the game. As it stands, Whiterun, which Proventus Avenicci says he can rightfully boast about, seems a little empty for 'the greatest city in Skyrim'. Riften has more market stalls, more quests, and almost more people, along with a beautiful city with back allyways that are actually textured and have things growing in them. Morthal could use a big boost, along with Winterhold, which I feel should have a few more houses too.

      For those of you that don't know, Morthal gets even quieter when you finish the town's quest, as you end up killing a few of the town's residents. I also commonly get 2-3 dragons showing up there. At once.

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    • VAULTEER wrote:

      For those of you that don't know, Morthal gets even quieter when you finish the town's quest, as you end up killing a few of the town's residents. I also commonly get 2-3 dragons showing up there. At once.

      I actually managed to do Laid to Rest without a single villager dying, i used calm on Hroggar left the villager mob outside the cave while i did the fighting and Alva just stood there while all this was going on so i left her alone.

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    • Yeah, I leave the villager outside (only one will come in with you) but I thought Hroggar would just attack afterwards if I used Calm on him. Strange that Alva just stood there though.

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    • VAULTEER wrote:
      Yeah, I leave the villager outside (only one will come in with you) but I thought Hroggar would just attack afterwards if I used Calm on him. Strange that Alva just stood there though.

      No villager came in with me i completely ignored them and they all stayed outside i was a bit worried this might glitch the quest but it still worked fine. Hroggar i just let him keep attacking me until i've finished in the house then use the spell to stop him following me outside. Alva's a very glitchy vampire with Dawnguard installed she still looks like a plain human also her and the Vampires in the cave can also end up fighting each other if they get close as the Vampire are programed as hostile to her.

      Apparently according to Creation Kit data shes human but she also has the powers and weakness's of a Vampire, shes a complicated girl.

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    • Morthal sounds like a last-minute creation. Not much there. Besides a ton of aggresive wildlife that wants to slowly invade the town.

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    • so i have a question but i dont want to make my own fourum. im pretty low level and a giant is attaking my house. i dont have anyone living there but the carrage driver. i check in every once and a while and its always there attacking my livestock. im only level 13 so i cant kill it. what should i do?

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    • 98.248.59.94 wrote:
      so i have a question but i dont want to make my own fourum. im pretty low level and a giant is attaking my house. i dont have anyone living there but the carrage driver. i check in every once and a while and its always there attacking my livestock. im only level 13 so i cant kill it. what should i do?


      Yes, a level 13 Dragonborn can kill it. Make a bunch of paralysis potions (Canis root plus Imp stool plus Deathbell is one recipe that also damages health). All these can be grown in a mansion's garden, but if need be they can be collected from the wild or purchased (none are expensive). Even if the alchemy skill is low, they will work, just for a shorter period, so make more. Hit the giant with a poisoned weapon, immediately repoison the weapon and hit it again. Keep this up (that's why a lot of potions will be needed) until the giant is dead. The Dragonborn should be uninjured, if this is done correctly.

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    • Maybe Calder from Windhelm, He starts with Steel armor, Steel sword and shield. I know this isn't as good as other followers, Like the Orcish tribes. But if you deck him out with Extra armor ment for your display cases, he will be able to REALLY Defend your household, I gave him Dwarven Armor, Dwarven Mace and Shield, I also have Seolang (DG) around my house so he can tag along in any Bandit raid, I hope this works, Good luck!

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    • @98.248.59.94 a tip would be to get the full fus roh dah shout use that on the giant and just hack at them and if you have an amulet of Talos and the blessing of Talos (both are not hard to find the shrine I use is in WhiteRun) that knocks them down and everytime they get up use it again another thing is to become a werewolf and use your charge attack slow time also helps I took down a giant at lvl 10 pretty easily

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    • For Lakeview Manor, which is my family home. I have Aela & Rayya, my son & daughter each with smithed daedric daggers I gifted to them. So far nothing ever happens, I have had the house for probably a year in game time. They all handle whatever happens when I'm away just fine. Only thing I have lost is a chicken or two, because a gaint clubbed them, but other then that nothing happens. Lakeview is glitched though, & bandits will spawn underneath your house I don't know why, so you have to go into your house, then come back out for you to actually be able to kill them. 

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    • Ghost Anubis wrote:
      Lakeview is glitched though, & bandits will spawn underneath your house I don't know why, so you have to go into your house, then come back out for you to actually be able to kill them. 

      Not just bandits, we have had wolves and giants glitched there as well as at our other two Hearthfire homes.
      (On both XBox360 and PC)

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    • DarthOrc wrote:

      Not just bandits, we have had wolves and giants glitched there as well as at our other two Hearthfire homes.

      Oh I see, I haven't had the other two homes quite as long, probably a few months in game time. & so far they have spawned outside. However I wouldn't doubt that they glitch there as well. 

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