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Marrying Serana

  • Why can't you marry Serana? I would kill my current wife for her :D

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    • Lol! Yeah, I told my coworker the same thing. And I feel creepy when I go to my home with Serana with me and the wife is sitting in the chair eating bread and looking at me. "She knows..."

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    • Lol yea Bethesda should make her available for marriage I don't know why they haven't

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    • My guess, Bethesda considered it, and decided they didn't want to turn the best character they ever came up with into a housewife. Marrying Serana would switch her unique dialogue over to the standard "my darling" comments.

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    • Hmmm true but it would be good to have her as a wife but I see your point

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    • Although you can start the dialog with her about marriage, if you got amulet of Mara. She would just say how her and temples just don't mix. Although it doesn't make sense whe she's human again. Also, there is one dialogue with her, when she actually wants to know wheather you have someone in your life. She obviously seem to have a thing for Dragonborn, possibly even romantically, but yet you cannot marry her. I was sure they would have Frea marriagible, but instead they made someone else from Skald village marriagible, Morwen. However, first you need to bring her mother's amulet to Rundil in Falkreath and that's provideing if he haven't died in Dragon or Vampire attack. They leave the best npc's out of marriage possibility!

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    • It would be kinda of weird because Dragonborn is like in his 30's and Serana is thousands and thousands of years old...

      But hey, if you love someone then you love someone... even if you are thousands of years older :)

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    • Well, you can shorten the age difference by playing as high elf or dark elf and pretent they have been around for centuries. Still not going to be as old as Serana, but still, shortens the generation gap. At least Serana looks exactly like she looked like back then. Although I wonder, if she turns back to human, would it be like she's not as old as she was when she stoped aging? She would start aging normaly after she turns back to human.

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    • Point is she still looks hot lol even for her age I would still marry her :D

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    • Can she even be married if she has her Vampirism cured? My theory is that she wouldn't have a legit excuse after that. :P

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    • I haven't tried, but I'm preaty sure wiki would include that possibility in her article if there was a way to marry her. But I see where you are going, after becoming human, it would be all developers' fault if she's still unmarriagable.

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    • Her Statement why she doesn't want to marry is 1. that she's afraid of temples and 2. that after a live like hers she just can't ask the gods for such blessing (marriage there has a direct connection to mara). sucks but can't help it

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    • DaedraBorn101 wrote: It would be kinda of weird because Dragonborn is like in his 30's and Serana is thousands and thousands of years old...

      But hey, if you love someone then you love someone... even if you are thousands of years older :)

      What if you are a dark elf immortal guy who was one a chimer

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    • 87.147.21.175 wrote:
      Her Statement why she doesn't want to marry is 1. that she's afraid of temples and 2. that after a live like hers she just can't ask the gods for such blessing (marriage there has a direct connection to mara). sucks but can't help it

      True...she had gone through quite a few ordeals (I have yet to buy DG, this is from reading the articles). Ah well. I can marry someone and just leave them at home and spend all my time with Serana lol.

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    • That's called cheating on your wife Wenny lol XD

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    • LegolasHighElf wrote:
      That's called cheating on your wife Wenny lol XD


      XD Yep. I don't go home much anyway...I dimissed Lydia back to Breezehome ages ago and never went back since. I might go back just to see her tho.

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    • Macthorn, LOL thought the very same thing last night when I was asking Mjoll for the gold, Serana is a strong follower for sure, just have to remember to stay back a bit those ice spikes through my head do leave a mark. I did not know that she was not available for marriage though, cause in Skyrim there no divorce, which is good. In my next character won't marry till I have tried to court Serana!Laslo451 (talk) 18:53, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

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    • they should allow players who choose to be vampires the option of marrying her. at least that would make sense.

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    • LOL Shandalia, yeah that would be nice. Just imagined a dark and bloody wedding in the Volkihar castle, with Molag Bal as representative instead of Mara. Now that would be cool.

      And imagine how the marriage life would be:

      - Hey Serana.

      - Hello darling.

      - I'm hungry. Can you cook something for me?

      - Sure, here you go. Tomorrow I'll have another meal. *Serana gives you Bloody Human Hand*

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    • Meh, marriage is just a formality. Serana will always be mai waifu. :D

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    • this bothered me very much so i whent on some mod pages and changed it i whent on skyrim nexus and fond a mod that made her marriable at  http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/28685//

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    • I remember looking through the Bethesda forums, and I saw a post there where a guy claims to have married Serana on the PS3. He has intricate detailing, dialogue, and in depth details that would seem to prove what he says is true... But, I won't offer an opinion. He lays everything out on how to marry her, and I hear he plans to make a youtube video showing how he did it. Dunno if it interests anyone here, but I thought I'd offer out this little tidbit.

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    • 100% sure he lied.

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    • My only thing is wyh would you want to marry her there are only a few things that spouses do and Mjoll does everything Serena would do except that she cannot die.

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    • 70.210.1.15 wrote:
      I remember looking through the Bethesda forums, and I saw a post there where a guy claims to have married Serana on the PS3. He has intricate detailing, dialogue, and in depth details that would seem to prove what he says is true... But, I won't offer an opinion. He lays everything out on how to marry her, and I hear he plans to make a youtube video showing how he did it. Dunno if it interests anyone here, but I thought I'd offer out this little tidbit.

      Link?

      And how would that work out, Dovahkiin is in his late 20's, meanwhile serana is in her late 2000s (I dont know her exact age.) And also, marrying her will change it to her generic "Hello thar mai looov back frum sum adventurrr i bit?"

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    • I Like Bow Ties Bow Ties Are Cool wrote:
      My only thing is wyh would you want to marry her there are only a few things that spouses do and Mjoll does everything Serena would do except that she cannot die.

      Except Mjoll is fucking annoying.

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    • Al Wolf2200 wrote:
      I Like Bow Ties Bow Ties Are Cool wrote:
      My only thing is wyh would you want to marry her there are only a few things that spouses do and Mjoll does everything Serena would do except that she cannot die.
      Except Mjoll is fucking annoying.

      She is cheating on you with Aerin.

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    • Does it really matter though? Why wold you want to screw up the best NPC like that? If you are really desperate you can marry her with console commands.

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    • Freddysback wrote:
      70.210.1.15 wrote:
      I remember looking through the Bethesda forums, and I saw a post there where a guy claims to have married Serana on the PS3. He has intricate detailing, dialogue, and in depth details that would seem to prove what he says is true... But, I won't offer an opinion. He lays everything out on how to marry her, and I hear he plans to make a youtube video showing how he did it. Dunno if it interests anyone here, but I thought I'd offer out this little tidbit.
      Link?

      And how would that work out, Dovahkiin is in his late 20's, meanwhile serana is in her late 2000s (I dont know her exact age.) And also, marrying her will change it to her generic "Hello thar mai looov back frum sum adventurrr i bit?"

      I was just trolling around the forums when I found it... Not.. not what you're thinking. But in that same logic, you can marry Taarie and Brelyna who are both Elves, and as such, could be many years older than the Dragonborn. I'm not offering my opinion on if I think he's lying or not, in fact, I'm skeptically hoping it can be done. But I'm not holding my breath. My personal favorite is Brelyna. Or Muiri.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      100% sure he lied.

      You can't be so sure, can you? People also said Dawnguard and Hearthfire would never come to PS3. But look what happened. She openly makes sexual innuendo and other comments referring to the Dragonborn in a way that makes her seem like she at least intimately trusts the player. Not to mention, she would even give up her Vampirism for the player, which in itself would seem like she is indeed devoted in some way to him/her. It wouldn't be the first time Bethesda put in a hidden easter egg. But, those are just my thoughts on the matter.

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    • 70.210.17.196 wrote:
      Pink Slim wrote:
      100% sure he lied.
      You can't be so sure, can you? People also said Dawnguard and Hearthfire would never come to PS3. But look what happened. She openly makes sexual innuendo and other comments referring to the Dragonborn in a way that makes her seem like she at least intimately trusts the player. Not to mention, she would even give up her Vampirism for the player, which in itself would seem like she is indeed devoted in some way to him/her. It wouldn't be the first time Bethesda put in a hidden easter egg. But, those are just my thoughts on the matter.

      except I can be sure, seeing she has no code for marriage dialogue.

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    • Oh, have anyone noticed, that before Srana's family moved in Volhkir, the chappel might have been devoted to Mara instead of Molog Bal. You can find a disposed statue of Mara in one of the rooms in the hidden part of castle. Also, if I am not mistaken, there is another chapel there that actually does have statue of Mara. I believe it also in the destroyed tower part. You know, where you searching for Valerica's lab?

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    • I've seen one mara satue somewhere in the castle, except it had no shrine and it was all detereorated.

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    • Maybe it was just one statue, I know it's in some room that full of ruble, but the fact that you can find two chapel like areas arround the castle; might suggest that statue of mara used to be in any of them at one point. Don't you think it's ironic how previous owner might have beed dedicated to Mara, while new tennants worshiped Molag Bal?

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    • Stop going on about her saying Well hello my love back from some adventure I bet. If Bethesda made it so you could marry her they would likley make a few alterations to her dialoge

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    • But they will not and this thread is dead so stop.

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    • Just use AFT (amazing follower tweeks)  then you can make her a follower and set her home as where ever you want. 

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    • Alexalmo wrote:
      LOL Shandalia, yeah that would be nice. Just imagined a dark and bloody wedding in the Volkihar castle, with Molag Bal as representative instead of Mara. Now that would be cool.

      And imagine how the marriage life would be:

      - Hey Serana.

      - Hello darling.

      - I'm hungry. Can you cook something for me?

      - Sure, here you go. Tomorrow I'll have another meal. *Serana gives you Bloody Human Hand*

      ill still marry her if she does give me a bloody human hand shes just too hot

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    • Serana is like the best character there and the mod doesnt change that its cool

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    • Pink Slim
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      Brace yourselves, the waifufags are here...

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    • It's just a bit of a shame, as Serana seems to really bond and have chemistry with the Dragonborn. I mean, I'm a heterosexual female, and I'd still kill my current husband, Farkas for her as she just goes so well with my character. 

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    • I think everybody is missing the point here by saying "it would just ruin her character by giving her the boring marriage dialogue".  Why couldn't Bethesda write Serana her own unique dialogue for marriage? Dammit Bethesda, you can't just hint at romance and then unexpectedly and pointlessy shut it down at the very end. That's something EA would be expected to do ( worse still considering they didn't). You're better than this.

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    • Meh, Bethesda's got it's share of problems, nobody's perfect after all.

      (btw, Alduin, you do know that was a joke right? There was no reason to take it down)

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Although you can start the dialog with her about marriage, if you got amulet of Mara. She would just say how her and temples just don't mix. Although it doesn't make sense whe she's human again. Also, there is one dialogue with her, when she actually wants to know wheather you have someone in your life. She obviously seem to have a thing for Dragonborn, possibly even romantically, but yet you cannot marry her. I was sure they would have Frea marriagible, but instead they made someone else from Skald village marriagible, Morwen. However, first you need to bring her mother's amulet to Rundil in Falkreath and that's provideing if he haven't died in Dragon or Vampire attack. They leave the best npc's out of marriage possibility!

      Tbh, I felt that making Frea not a marriage option, made sense.  Because what she'd become, after the events of the DB DLC.  Serana, on the other hand, very little sense in why she's not a marriage option.  "Temples and I, don't mix."  Uhm... we just were in a temple... what... is this...?

      Freddysback wrote:
      Al Wolf2200 wrote:
      I Like Bow Ties Bow Ties Are Cool wrote: My only thing is wyh would you want to marry her there are only a few things that spouses do and Mjoll does everything Serena would do except that she cannot die.
      Except Mjoll is fucking annoying.
      She is cheating on you with Aerin.

      That's why you kill off Aerin, when you get the chance.

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    • honestltly i think she should be marriable. not having some bad dialog or just being a merchant. but i think she should react to stuff like if your doing the main quest she will say something like " well well well..you arpperantly dragonborn...no wonder you had no parents" if you had no parents and stuff or you could build a relation ship if you do something she doest like she will say no. i always imagind serana to not be our or anyones wife..but the..

      Last DragonbornsEdit

      wife.

      http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me52vqaUZD1r6qglpo1_500.jpg

      thatdudewiththegun

      p.s hail manslayer

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Well, you can shorten the age difference by playing as high elf or dark elf and pretent they have been around for centuries. Still not going to be as old as Serana, but still, shortens the generation gap. At least Serana looks exactly like she looked like back then. Although I wonder, if she turns back to human, would it be like she's not as old as she was when she stoped aging? She would start aging normaly after she turns back to human.

      If she goes back to human Serana will start aging but thats not atualy in game if you know what i mean

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    • 86.161.203.82 wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Well, you can shorten the age difference by playing as high elf or dark elf and pretent they have been around for centuries. Still not going to be as old as Serana, but still, shortens the generation gap. At least Serana looks exactly like she looked like back then. Although I wonder, if she turns back to human, would it be like she's not as old as she was when she stoped aging? She would start aging normaly after she turns back to human.
      If she goes back to human Serana will start aging but thats not atualy in game if you know what i mean

      but she is about 4000 years old

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    • 125.60.173.66 wrote:
      86.161.203.82 wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Well, you can shorten the age difference by playing as high elf or dark elf and pretent they have been around for centuries. Still not going to be as old as Serana, but still, shortens the generation gap. At least Serana looks exactly like she looked like back then. Although I wonder, if she turns back to human, would it be like she's not as old as she was when she stoped aging? She would start aging normaly after she turns back to human.
      If she goes back to human Serana will start aging but thats not atualy in game if you know what i mean
      but she is about 4000 years old

      old but hot :3

      -thatdudewiththegun

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    • marrying a 3000+ vampire? after killing her dad? eff yeah boii!!

      seriously though i would go ahead and console mod her to do it, but shes too good for that. TBH i wouldnt do that to her. Shes so perfect the way she is. Would rather spend every day of my adventure with her than marry her and have her sit around my house all day saying "hello darling" "how are you doing my love" I already did that to Aela... kinda sucks now. Wish there was a divorce feature in the game. Would just marry Lydia instead. Too many awesome female characters in this game :(

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    • I love Serana to death (or undeath, hueheueheueahea) but I'm glad that they didn't make her marriagable. It fits her character much more and I wouldn't want her shoehorned into some housewife role. No, it's better that she stays around working with the Volkihar Clan/Dawnguard after the business with Harkon. Besides, who needs some priest's blessing to be together? I mean, in, say, Mass Effect, you never get married but that doesn't delegitimize the relationships. The Dragonborn and Serana are obviously close after the story ends, so it's not a stretch for them to be "together" even without an official marriage. 


      Although I imagine there was evil cackling in Bethesda HQ when they made this descision, all "Let's make a character that will have one of the most developed personalities in the game and that the player will get really attached to, but not let them marry her."

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    • I honestly don't understand why people like her, she's okay, but just... there. Sure, she's a 3-4000 year old vampire who happens to have a slight curiosity in the world around her... and? That doesn't make a personality.

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    • i wish i could marry serena. id even give up being an epic wearwolf for it. but i gusse since i cant ill just have to get the best wife there is! :D aela for the win! after all i useually used her before i got the dlc. she cooks levels up your srchery and can be your follower and is bad ass. but i still think serena would be better :P

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    • So many heartbroken male players

      Myself almost included (I am a guy, but its still just a game, so no heartbreak here)

      I'd say that while it does seem great to marry Serana, I mean like seriously, do we guys who play Skyrim have to resort to such depravity just cause you can't marry her in game?

      Remember, gameplay does not equate lore. Considering you are an immortal vampire (well, some of you anyway), lorewise, you could be with Serana like 1000 years into the future. But you will have to miss out on her giving you your daily allowance now...

      Unless, of course, you mod.

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    • DragonGirl2571
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    • DragonGirl2571
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    • ... wtf?

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    • How can the DragonBorn be 1,000 of years old the other DragonBorn lived 100 years ago, and there only one DragonBorn alive per century.

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    • what the hell are you talking about?

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    • I'm not quite sure, I think AWC got really confused somewhere.

      @AWC: No no no, the dragonborn that we play is likely only in their mid twenties (or whatever the meric and beastman equivalent is) at the time of the game, there isn't a dragonborn every century (in game dialogue states that there hasn't been a thum using dragonborn since at least Talos/Tiber Septim's time, which was likely around a thousand years before the events of Skyrim take place) and we don't really know that he's the only Dragonborn of their generation, there could be many potential dragonborn who just don't know that they can shout since they haven't fought a dragon or read a word of Draconic.

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    • Also, Miraak and our Dragonborn are alive at the same time. For a while, anyway.

      Plus, if the player character becomes a vampire, then s/he could live for an effectively infinite amount of time. 

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      I'm not quite sure, I think AWC got really confused somewhere.

      @AWC: No no no, the dragonborn that we play is likely only in their mid twenties (or whatever the meric and beastman equivalent is) at the time of the game, there isn't a dragonborn every century (in game dialogue states that there hasn't been a thum using dragonborn since at least Talos/Tiber Septim's time, which was likely around a thousand years before the events of Skyrim take place) and we don't really know that he's the only Dragonborn of their generation, there could be many potential dragonborn who just don't know that they can shout since they haven't fought a dragon or read a word of Draconic.

      No, thousand of years before Skrim, it wasn't Talo's time, it was Interegnum. Interegnum lasted for about 4 centuries, thousand of years before Skyrim was somewhere in the middle during the war of Alliances (ESO). Hjalti Earlybeard, became Talos Stormcrowned towards the end of Interegnum, which he had actually ended. It it is preaty darn close there though. Definetly more accurate then a Dragonborn a century. There was at least three of four centuries in 3rd era and the only shouting Dragonborn in that period was Tiber Septim. Well, technically he wasn't shouting anymore when he became Emperor, the wound to the throat tends to do that, if you survive that. So yes, Talos being the last Dragonborn before the events of Skyrim, in few centuries proves that there isn't a Dragonborn per century.

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      ... we don't really know that he's the only Dragonborn of their generation, there could be many potential dragonborn who just don't know that they can shout since they haven't fought a dragon or read a word of Draconic.

      In one of my playthroughs, I killed a Dunmer bandit and got a dragon soul from him.


      On topic, while I agree it should have been part of the game, it wasn't and there is nothing that can be done at this point, asside from getting one of the many mods available from nexus mods or the steam workshop that make serina mariable.

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    • serana is the most beautiful , special and hot lady in all of skyrim , and it doesn't matter how old is she , or if she worship daedra , i think she deserve another chance and the dragonborn is the pest pearson on tamriel to spend the rest of her life with . i have married seran thanks to this mod on nexus www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28685/? .

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    • 5.0.43.8 wrote: serana is the most beautiful , special and hot lady in all of skyrim , and it doesn't matter how old is she , or if she worship daedra , i think she deserve another chance and the dragonborn is the pest Pearson on tamriel to spend the rest of her life with . i have married seran thanks to this mod on nexus http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28685/? .

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    • why did you quote yourself and add nothing?

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    • sorry it's the first time i comment on wikia

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    • It's alright, I just thought you were going to add something but messed up.

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    • 5.0.43.8 wrote:
      serana is the most beautiful , special and hot lady in all of skyrim , and it doesn't matter how old is she , or if she worship daedra , i think she deserve another chance and the dragonborn is the pest pearson on tamriel to spend the rest of her life with . i have married seran thanks to this mod on nexus www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28685/? .

      Good on ya, though I think you're taking a character in a vidya game a bit too seriously mate.

      To be honest I'm not the sort of person to let a person's crimes or past deeds go unpunished, so I had my character hunt her down once Harkon was dead, same thing with her mother.

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    • Who knows maybe she will be in Online?

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    • DERPINGAWESOME wrote:
      Who knows maybe she will be in Online?

      Maybe, Online takes place during Interregnum and Serana didn't know about the Septim empire, which implied that she was sealed off before Talos' time.

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      DERPINGAWESOME wrote:
      Who knows maybe she will be in Online?
      Maybe, Online takes place during Interregnum and Serana didn't know about the Septim empire, which implied that she was sealed off before Talos' time.

      I know marrage will be in online but with other players only, maybe you can at least you know what im talking about

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    • I think Serana might be even older then Interegnum. And it's not that she didn't know anything about Septim Empire, the question never arised in the conversation. What she didn't know is that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire. That would make her be older then Alessia's times. Possibly late Merethic Era-Early 1st Era. She could have lived in the Nordic Empire of Humans and there is a possibility that her father, was one of the original 12 Kings of Skyrim, those that followed Ysgramor. Although it seems Serana never been to Windhelm, the city of Ysgramor and though that it would be bigger. Then again, it would seem that Serana hasn't really gotten out of castle Volkihar much. She says that she could see Solitude's windmill from the castle. Although I think she did visited Dwemer ruins back then, although they wouldn't have been so much of ruins if it was that early in 1st Era. And if you remember, she visted the City of Winterhold, when it was a city and not so crumbly. Well that cannot really be a proof of anything, since Winterhold crumbled only 87 or so years ago, prior to the events of Skyrim. In anycase, if the Dwemer just dissapeared, Harkon couln't have been one of the original 12 kings of Skyrim. Although, if after becomming a vampire lord, he hid from public, they could have very well existed for centuries, though by everyone else in Skyrim as dead. So it could still make some sense. In anycase, this sounds like the proof that Serana is much older then Interegnum time and seemingly how she have no clue that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire (which it have been for three eras, the first of which lasted more then 1000 of years.), she more then likely was asleep during interregnum time.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      I think Serana might be even older then Interegnum. And it's not that she didn't know anything about Septim Empire, the question never arised in the conversation. What she didn't know is that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire. That would make her be older then Alessia's times. Possibly late Merethic Era-Early 1st Era. She could have lived in the Nordic Empire of Humans and there is a possibility that her father, was one of the original 12 Kings of Skyrim, those that followed Ysgramor. Although it seems Serana never been to Windhelm, the city of Ysgramor and though that it would be bigger. Then again, it would seem that Serana hasn't really gotten out of castle Volkihar much. She says that she could see Solitude's windmill from the castle. Although I think she did visited Dwemer ruins back then, although they wouldn't have been so much of ruins if it was that early in 1st Era. And if you remember, she visted the City of Winterhold, when it was a city and not so crumbly. Well that cannot really be a proof of anything, since Winterhold crumbled only 87 or so years ago, prior to the events of Skyrim. In anycase, if the Dwemer just dissapeared, Harkon couln't have been one of the original 12 kings of Skyrim. Although, if after becomming a vampire lord, he hid from public, they could have very well existed for centuries, though by everyone else in Skyrim as dead. So it could still make some sense. In anycase, this sounds like the proof that Serana is much older then Interegnum time and seemingly how she have no clue that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire (which it have been for three eras, the first of which lasted more then 1000 of years.), she more then likely was asleep during interregnum time.


      DERPING AWESOME: No, I don't think that'll be allowed, TES Online looks like it's more geared for people in their mid to late teens in comparison to IMVU's Adult section (creepy lot those guys are).

      Legate Alexandros: I'm guessing that she was born during the time of Reman Cyrodil's empire since most of the vampires (that I'd encountered) were human.

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    • She was around during Ysgramor's time.

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    • I think she is from the 1E, her father was probably a king who ruled a part of Skyrim before Harald conquered all of Skyrim and became its first High KIng. She obviously never heard of a Cyrodilic Empire so she must have been from before the First Empire.

      Hereticalthoughts: That you encountered? You mean from ESO? The second Empire ended before the start of ESO.

      Ketick: She can't have been from Ysgramor's time, there wouldn;t have been a kingdom for her father to rule back then.

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    • here's a question that I can't remember anything that would make the answer obvious:

      Was Cyrodiil named after Reman Cyrodiil, or did Reman take the name Cyrodiil after taking seat in Cyrodiil?

      why does that matter? well if Cyrodiil was named after Reman then she's from after his time, seeing as she knows Cyrodiil Exists.

      She also Claims to having always wanted to see the Solitude Windmill, around when was it(or solitude) built?

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    • Solidute has existed since atleast King Olaf One-eye's time(1E) according to the bards quests 

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    • Pink Slim: I'm pretty sure Cyrodiil was named after Reman Cyrodiil, but if she knew about Reman Cyrodiil she wouldn't be confused about it being the seat of an Empire since it would already have been the seat of two empires. Also the player says Cyrodiil first, she just repeats what they said. This could mean she doesn't even know what Cyrodiil is and is just really confused.

      "Empire? What Empire?" Serana

      "The one from Cyrodiil" Player

      "Cyrodiil is the seat of an Empire?" Serana

      (These aren't 100% the words from the quotes but i'm lazy and do;t want to look up the exact quotes)

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    • I am preaty sure Cyrodil was named before Reman Cyrodil became Emperor. Although I don't think Reman took the name Cyrodil. If I am not mistaken, he was from a noble family. I think it says on his wiki page that his last name unrelated to the name of the province, it terms that he didn't take it from the province name, nor did he named the province after himself. Also, during her time, Dwemer ruins didn't get as run down. The Dwemer dissapeared in first few centuries of 1st Era, which lasted for more then 1000 years. Remen Cyrodil, took Ruby Throne towards the end of the 1st Era, I believe. I think 2nd Era started with Akaviri Potentate coming to power. Interegnum started in the 4th century of 2nd Era when the last Akaviri Potentate and his entire family were murdered by the order of Night Mother, War of Aliances began a century later or so. Then in 8th century of the 2nd Era, Talos began his rise to power. Serana had been out of her coffin and about more then likely in between of Dwemer dissapearance and Reman Cyrodil. She never seem to meet Dwemer, but it could be because she spent most of her time inside Volkihar. Although, one thing doesn't add up, Alesian Dynasty had ruled Cyrodil before Dwemer dissapeared. But that was probably early times of Alesian Emprire and there might not even have been an Empire yet. In Rislav the Rightous, it is said that at the corronation of that Emperor, both Nerevar and Dumak were pressent. So that Battle of Red Mountain, when Dwemer dissapeared, hadn't taken place by then. Sounds like there are still some contraversies.

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    • You -CAN- marry Serana, but only with PC console commands. 

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    • Azaltar wrote:

      DaedraBorn101 wrote: It would be kinda of weird because Dragonborn is like in his 30's and Serana is thousands and thousands of years old...

      But hey, if you love someone then you love someone... even if you are thousands of years older :)

      What if you are a dark elf immortal guy who was one a chimer

      Serana + Nerevarine. Oh god I see that being a fan fic! X-D

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      I think Serana might be even older then Interegnum. And it's not that she didn't know anything about Septim Empire, the question never arised in the conversation. What she didn't know is that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire. That would make her be older then Alessia's times. Possibly late Merethic Era-Early 1st Era. She could have lived in the Nordic Empire of Humans and there is a possibility that her father, was one of the original 12 Kings of Skyrim, those that followed Ysgramor. Although it seems Serana never been to Windhelm, the city of Ysgramor and though that it would be bigger. Then again, it would seem that Serana hasn't really gotten out of castle Volkihar much. She says that she could see Solitude's windmill from the castle. Although I think she did visited Dwemer ruins back then, although they wouldn't have been so much of ruins if it was that early in 1st Era. And if you remember, she visted the City of Winterhold, when it was a city and not so crumbly. Well that cannot really be a proof of anything, since Winterhold crumbled only 87 or so years ago, prior to the events of Skyrim. In anycase, if the Dwemer just dissapeared, Harkon couln't have been one of the original 12 kings of Skyrim. Although, if after becomming a vampire lord, he hid from public, they could have very well existed for centuries, though by everyone else in Skyrim as dead. So it could still make some sense. In anycase, this sounds like the proof that Serana is much older then Interegnum time and seemingly how she have no clue that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire (which it have been for three eras, the first of which lasted more then 1000 of years.), she more then likely was asleep during interregnum time.

      Hardly. The Septim Empire came to be at the start of the Third Era (It's actually the reason the Era was started in the first place). In addition during Elder Scrolls Online there was no Empire, as it was destroyed by the Akavir, Molag Bal was also from a big part of this Era's culture. So it makes a lot more sense that's she from the late Second Era, making her possibly 550 - 700 years old. Harkon also had a very massive ego, and a lot of evidence shows that he was lying about being a king. 

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    • Ketick1998 wrote:
      She was around during Ysgramor's time.

      A couple thousand years after actually. 

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    • Her dialogue about becoming a pureblood vampire sounds like molag bal raped her and her mother. Maybe her dad too...

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    • SweetRollBorn wrote:
      Her dialogue about becoming a pureblood vampire sounds like molag bal raped her and her mother. Maybe her dad too...

      Well, the first vampire was one of his rape victims, though it should be noted that we're never explicitly told what the process for becoming a Daughter of Coldharbor is so we can't be sure.

      It seems that process of turning men into pureblood vampires is different in the case of men, Harkon might have had to let Serana or her mum transform him in order to become one.

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      SweetRollBorn wrote:
      Her dialogue about becoming a pureblood vampire sounds like molag bal raped her and her mother. Maybe her dad too...
      Well, the first vampire was one of his rape victims, though it should be noted that we're never explicitly told what the process for becoming a Daughter of Coldharbor is so we can't be sure.

      It seems that process of turning men into pureblood vampires is different in the case of men, Harkon might have had to let Serana or her mum transform him in order to become one.

      I really hate how Bethesda had to add all of this gender specific BS. 

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    • I think the violation bit is just Molag's style. Its highly probable, being a Daedric Prince, he can directly confer Vampirism by directly adding it to your "active effects". He turned the first vampire not so much by violating her but because he gave her his blood. So, Herkon could have got it by asking Molag, giving something (or if Molag was in a good mood, for free) and becoming a vampire.

      The violation bit is probably just like incentive/payment to him so that he will give his blood.

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:

      DERPING AWESOME: No, I don't think that'll be allowed, TES Online looks like it's more geared for people in their mid to late teens in comparison to IMVU's Adult section (creepy lot those guys are).

      Umm first that was a joke, 2nd there may be a chance to have well sex. they cut it from daggerfall and it was just dialouge and a black screen and if you go threw the folders of the game you can put it back in. 3rd they will just do it  like what fallout dose a black sceen a couple groans and maybe a line of dialauge if they do add it to the game im just saying it could be apart of a side misson or something hey im just saying. 4th if they did it, it will be nothing like your thinking about, and will maybe only pop up in the game twice look at dragon age they did it fallout they did it mass effect they did it the list goes on i was just applying the probability of sex in ESO honestly i think it there is a little bit of a chance of it happening but not with serena

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    • Okay, so It's possible, no need to get pissy dude.

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      I think Serana might be even older then Interegnum. And it's not that she didn't know anything about Septim Empire, the question never arised in the conversation. What she didn't know is that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire. That would make her be older then Alessia's times. Possibly late Merethic Era-Early 1st Era. She could have lived in the Nordic Empire of Humans and there is a possibility that her father, was one of the original 12 Kings of Skyrim, those that followed Ysgramor. Although it seems Serana never been to Windhelm, the city of Ysgramor and though that it would be bigger. Then again, it would seem that Serana hasn't really gotten out of castle Volkihar much. She says that she could see Solitude's windmill from the castle. Although I think she did visited Dwemer ruins back then, although they wouldn't have been so much of ruins if it was that early in 1st Era. And if you remember, she visted the City of Winterhold, when it was a city and not so crumbly. Well that cannot really be a proof of anything, since Winterhold crumbled only 87 or so years ago, prior to the events of Skyrim. In anycase, if the Dwemer just dissapeared, Harkon couln't have been one of the original 12 kings of Skyrim. Although, if after becomming a vampire lord, he hid from public, they could have very well existed for centuries, though by everyone else in Skyrim as dead. So it could still make some sense. In anycase, this sounds like the proof that Serana is much older then Interegnum time and seemingly how she have no clue that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire (which it have been for three eras, the first of which lasted more then 1000 of years.), she more then likely was asleep during interregnum time.
      Hardly. The Septim Empire came to be at the start of the Third Era (It's actually the reason the Era was started in the first place). In addition during Elder Scrolls Online there was no Empire, as it was destroyed by the Akavir, Molag Bal was also from a big part of this Era's culture. So it makes a lot more sense that's she from the late Second Era, making her possibly 550 - 700 years old. Harkon also had a very massive ego, and a lot of evidence shows that he was lying about being a king. 

      Technically speaking, third era wasn't started right after Septim Empire appeared. Unless you mean after Talos had conquered all of Tamriel. He declared the third era, when total peace finally came to Tamriel, but he Had been Emperor in Cyrodil for quite some time.

      Also, it is true that Empire didn't exist as entity, since eight provinces were at war with each other during Interregnum. However, the ruby throne was still a goal for all of them, in Cyrodil. Don't forget that Cyrodil was the seat of Empire troughout Alesian rule and Reman rule as well. If I am not mistaken, first era ended when Reman III and his heirs were assassinated and Akaviri Potentate assumed the Ruby Throne, until 2E 472 (I cannot remember for certain). Almost entire second era, was Interregnum. However, I am sure people during that time, especially from noble families, would have known about Empire that used to be in Cyrodil. So it is not likely that Serana whouldn't know about Cyrodil being the seat of Empire, if she comes from the time of Interregnum.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      I think Serana might be even older then Interegnum. And it's not that she didn't know anything about Septim Empire, the question never arised in the conversation. What she didn't know is that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire. That would make her be older then Alessia's times. Possibly late Merethic Era-Early 1st Era. She could have lived in the Nordic Empire of Humans and there is a possibility that her father, was one of the original 12 Kings of Skyrim, those that followed Ysgramor. Although it seems Serana never been to Windhelm, the city of Ysgramor and though that it would be bigger. Then again, it would seem that Serana hasn't really gotten out of castle Volkihar much. She says that she could see Solitude's windmill from the castle. Although I think she did visited Dwemer ruins back then, although they wouldn't have been so much of ruins if it was that early in 1st Era. And if you remember, she visted the City of Winterhold, when it was a city and not so crumbly. Well that cannot really be a proof of anything, since Winterhold crumbled only 87 or so years ago, prior to the events of Skyrim. In anycase, if the Dwemer just dissapeared, Harkon couln't have been one of the original 12 kings of Skyrim. Although, if after becomming a vampire lord, he hid from public, they could have very well existed for centuries, though by everyone else in Skyrim as dead. So it could still make some sense. In anycase, this sounds like the proof that Serana is much older then Interegnum time and seemingly how she have no clue that Cyrodil is the seat of Empire (which it have been for three eras, the first of which lasted more then 1000 of years.), she more then likely was asleep during interregnum time.
      Hardly. The Septim Empire came to be at the start of the Third Era (It's actually the reason the Era was started in the first place). In addition during Elder Scrolls Online there was no Empire, as it was destroyed by the Akavir, Molag Bal was also from a big part of this Era's culture. So it makes a lot more sense that's she from the late Second Era, making her possibly 550 - 700 years old. Harkon also had a very massive ego, and a lot of evidence shows that he was lying about being a king. 
      Technically speaking, third era wasn't started right after Septim Empire appeared. Unless you mean after Talos had conquered all of Tamriel. He declared the third era, when total peace finally came to Tamriel, but he Had been Emperor in Cyrodil for quite some time.

      Also, it is true that Empire didn't exist as entity, since eight provinces were at war with each other during Interregnum. However, the ruby throne was still a goal for all of them, in Cyrodil. Don't forget that Cyrodil was the seat of Empire troughout Alesian rule and Reman rule as well. If I am not mistaken, first era ended when Reman III and his heirs were assassinated and Akaviri Potentate assumed the Ruby Throne, until 2E 472 (I cannot remember for certain). Almost entire second era, was Interregnum. However, I am sure people during that time, especially from noble families, would have known about Empire that used to be in Cyrodil. So it is not likely that Serana whouldn't know about Cyrodil being the seat of Empire, if she comes from the time of Interregnum.

      That's what I meant. 

      If it didn't control any provinces, that it wasen't an Empire. It's just the government in Cyrodiil. Which is what it was in Elder Scrolls Online (or the Interregnum). Serana was not part of a noble family so she might not have known about that anyway. 

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    • By a noble family, I meant also part of Vampire royal family, which is basically nobility. She had access to books. Even if she was during Interegnum, she more then likely had known that there was once Empire in Cyrodil. You know, those lore writers need to write some kind of guide, where they would say for certain what time Serana from exactly. She said that she never seen a Dwemer before, but she heard that they were like elves, but with beards. Does that mean she simply didn't see one when they were around? Or did she really lived in the time after Dwemer dissapeared. She obviously had seen Dwemer ruins before as she comments how run down they became. However, Dwemer dissapeared in first Era, and at that time Alesian dynasty ruled Cyrodil, but I don't think there was true Empire just yet. There seemed to have been different vasal Kingdoms everywhere, or at least you get that impression from Rislav the Ritheous book. Even if there was an Emperor on Ruby throne in the early years of Alessian Dynasty, his vasals were largly independant. Although it seemed that that same Emperor did try waging wars to conquere those vassals, or bring them under his direct control. By the time of Hestla, it seemed that Cyrodil was more solidified as the Empire, and that was mid 1 Era and now that I remember, I think 1 Era actually lasted more then 2000 years. Seems to be the longest Era in history of Tamriel. 2 Era lasted almost 1000 years and the 3 Era seems to be the shortest one, only slightly more then 300 years. Now, we don't know if Alduin's defeat brought the close of 4 Era just yet, if it did thogh, it would be the shortest era in history, a little more then 200 years.

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    • It doesn't matter if Cyrodiil used to be the seat of an Empire before her time, an Empire arising from there is big news. And not exactly, the Volkihar reside in Skyrim, not Cyrodiil, they have different Vampirs there. 

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    • Doesn't mean she doesn't know history well enough, but perhaps you are right. It is hard to know exactly. It is just that I always though Volkihar clan dates back to the Nordic Empire of Ysgramor's descendants. Volkihar is the oldest clan in Skyrim, but do we know if it dates to the time of King Harald and before? And do we know exactly when that first vampire in Skyrim was made by Molag Bal around Shriekwind Bastion? This is all opened for discussion still, for all we know Serana is from Interregnum time. But really, that's the question for Zenimax I believe.

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    • Getting back on topic for a moment.

      Serana is most likely to not want to marry, and probably has a pretty bad view of marriage itself. Look at her parents, her only in-depth example of a marital relationship; even if she knew other married people, she wouldn't see their intimate life. With that experience with the whole thing, she wouldn't want to ruin what is probably her best relationship by getting married to the person.

      Just my two cents.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Doesn't mean she doesn't know history well enough, but perhaps you are right. It is hard to know exactly. It is just that I always though Volkihar clan dates back to the Nordic Empire of Ysgramor's descendants. Volkihar is the oldest clan in Skyrim, but do we know if it dates to the time of King Harald and before? And do we know exactly when that first vampire in Skyrim was made by Molag Bal around Shriekwind Bastion? This is all opened for discussion still, for all we know Serana is from Interregnum time. But really, that's the question for Zenimax I believe.

      Her age is usually consider centuries, not milleniums. Just throwing that out there. 

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    • Yeah I was kind of disappointed that you can't marry her. But it's all good for me anyways, she is still my follower, & so is Lydia my wife, who I turned into a vampire as well. I pretty much just act like Serana is my wife as well. My gift to her is, "It's so bright out here I don't know how you stand it" okay let me take out the sun for you lol. At the same time, marrying her I think would kind of ruin her character anyways I prefer her being my follower. 

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    • It probably will ruin her character if you get married to her, unless they can come up with unique lines for her after marriage. Other wise, you can always consider her as your mistress. 

      As far as her age goes, it doesn't really matter since she doesn't even age. That or age really slowly. There seems to be an indication that she used to be a little girl even as a vampire. It probably is centuries older, but even if she's from Interregnum time, it would make her 1000 years old, since that exactly how long ago Interregnum took place. What I am saying, is we don't really know. I guess the clues that we get from her dialogues are not enough.

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    • I have her as constant follower.... My favorite quote from her is when we enter a tomb or very large area in a dwemer ruin etc... "Look at this... it's so pretty, I am glad you are here with me."  or something like that... LOL  :D

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    • I think she says this is Oh wow, this is gorgeous. There are other followers who would say something like by the nine! In that kind of situation.

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    • lol I married Serana. It's a PC mod. She gets a mini unique speech when you ask her.

      and you can choose her castle to live in as well as fort dawnguard or any place you own. she never dies. and occasionally says things like "Oh there you are.... I'm glad you're here with me".

      only works if you haven't married before.

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    • Yo, people on here talking about marriage and love as if age matters, protip:

      "Pussy ain't got no age."

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    • Bunniesgohop wrote:
      Yo, people on here talking about marriage and love as if age matters, protip:

      "Pussy ain't got no age."

      4/10.

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    • Get a pc, & download a marriagable Serana mod. Problem solved lol. 

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    • Well first you need to find a decent enough pc, that can play such high quality games like Skyrim with mods well. If you don't have money even for a crappy computer, I doubt that you would be able to have marriagible Serana. As for me, I am looking for a job and typing this out on a 10 year old lap top.

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    • True I know that not everyone can buy a pc, I have two pcs. My gaming pc, which I use for skyrim, & this laptop I'm on now that's an hp I bought for $360, it's a pretty good laptop, I could play skyrim on this laptop. Just probably on medium settings, & I couldn't have as many mods, but it could do it. So depending on the persons view, that might be worth it. This laptop has an integrated gpu, not a dedicated graphics card like my other pc.  

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    • Back on topic everyone. 

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    • So, who else wants to marry Serana?

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    • I just roleplay that her and my main Dragonborn are "together" if you cetch my inference. 

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    • I want to marry Serana, I have the mod for it. I just haven't done the dawnguard questline yet. & sadly she doesn't work for the multiple marriage mods. So I'm debating whether I will marry her or not. On ps3 I also roleplayed Serana, she was pretty much my "wife".

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      I just roleplay that her and my main Dragonborn are "together" if you cetch my inference. 

      Same here.

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    • So I'm not alone in doing that....

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      So I'm not alone in doing that....

      Nope...

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    • In the way, I do think of her as mistress of my Dragonborn, or at least a lover. She also makes a good companion on adventures. Also, one of the last things I discovered in Skyrim, is that it is possible to have Serana and Frea follow you at the same time. Might be a bug, but I like it. I gave them both Stalhrim armor, I think one I made light set, the other heavy, although I cannot remember, it have been over two months since I've played Skyrim. The only problem is that if one of the girls hit the other one on accident, they going to be in a cat fight. The only way to stop that fight, is catch one of them when they are downed (ussualy it's Frea) and tell her to go. Then you can catch up to her and ask her to follow you again. I am afraid to send Serana back to Fort Dawnguard, since I have an experience with my original character, where the option to have her follow you dissapears after you send her away.

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    • why would i marry a vampire? (no offense and she does look cute too)

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    • 49.144.152.0 wrote:
      why would i marry a vampire? (no offense and she does look cute too)


      The cuter they look, the deadlier they are.

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    • 49.144.152.0 wrote:
      why would i marry a vampire? (no offense and she does look cute too)

      you some sorta vampirist?

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    • 49.144.152.0 wrote:
      why would i marry a vampire? (no offense and she does look cute too)

      Then why don't you cure her?

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      49.144.152.0 wrote:
      why would i marry a vampire? (no offense and she does look cute too)
      you some sorta vampirist?

      Inb4 kkk but with vampires instead of non-white non-protestants.

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    • The Dawnguard is here.

      What seems to be the problem?

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    • ScholarOfTheScrolls wrote:
      49.144.152.0 wrote:
      why would i marry a vampire? (no offense and she does look cute too)
      Then why don't you cure her?

      Sometimes she glitches and it looks weird. I would've cured her if that didn't happen. 

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      ScholarOfTheScrolls wrote:
      49.144.152.0 wrote:
      why would i marry a vampire? (no offense and she does look cute too)
      Then why don't you cure her?
      Sometimes she glitches and it looks weird. I would've cured her if that didn't happen. 

      The yellow eyes eh? There's mods for that if that's the case.

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    • I went too far in the game though, now I don't want to go all the way back to Skyrim. 

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    • But you can cure her at any time after the Dawnguard questline. 

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    • I'm too lazy.

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    • (Not lazy enough to debate with Imperials 24/7 but too lazy to cure a vampire by simply talking to her for 5 seconds and downlaod a mod that would take 1 minute to install) 

      Zippertrain85 logic...

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    • And which Impearials he debates 24/7? Oh and I cured Serana once and her eyes didn't exactly turned normal. The orange in her whites was still visible, they just didn't glow red anymore. Is that me, or when Vampires need blood, their eyes glow red and any other time, they orange? There is also a question of Serana leaving your side to get cured and the possibility of her being bugged when she comes back. Also, you have to make sure that early on when you talk to her about her vampirism, you ask the right questions. Otherwise, after Dawnguard she would be like "I am not discussing that with you again." There are a lot of variables here. Oh by the way, I though they say that she does not use her vampiric drain and necromancy after she is cured. For me, she still raises creepy dead things and drinks enemies' blood. Perhaps I missunderstood the article.

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    • Old habits do die hard.

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    • Indeed, it seems also that Serana, chooses freakiest dead things to revive most of the time, like Falmer. I often went like "Ah! Serana, why did you raised that thing?"

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    • 74.186.125.13 wrote:
      My guess, Bethesda considered it, and decided they didn't want to turn the best character they ever came up with into a housewife. Marrying Serana would switch her unique dialogue over to the standard "my darling" comments.


      Alternately, they may be worried their already messy coding would finally break the game entirely when Serana is your wife, your two-way quest giver, your plot device and helper monkey. :P


      Luckily there's mods which use a carefully recut collection of voice fragments from other games voiced by the same actress to make for a flawless marriage experience. You may now bite.. err kiss the bride.

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    • The voice actress for Serana actually also voiced Rayne from Blood Rayne. Ironically, another vampire. Besides that, she also was an American voice for few animies. Seems like it's her passion to voice anime.

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      I honestly don't understand why people like her, she's okay, but just... there. Sure, she's a 3-4000 year old vampire who happens to have a slight curiosity in the world around her... and? That doesn't make a personality.


      You forgot one thing: she's hot.

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      The voice actress for Serana actually also voiced Rayne from Blood Rayne. Ironically, another vampire. Besides that, she also was an American voice for few animies. Seems like it's her passion to voice anime.

      She also voiced Chun Li in the recent Street Fighter games.

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    • Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. I think I meant to say that she likes to voice anime and video games. Oh and for Ulfric Stormcloak, they chose a Slav for a  voice actor, Vladimir Kulich was born in Chechoslovakia and now lives in Canada I believe. Chech people they are Slavs too, they are just Western Slavs, like Polish. Okay, enough of off topic here.

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    • Dovakiin279 wrote:
      Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      I honestly don't understand why people like her, she's okay, but just... there. Sure, she's a 3-4000 year old vampire who happens to have a slight curiosity in the world around her... and? That doesn't make a personality.

      You forgot one thing: she's hot.

      That's debatable, personally I think she looks mannish.

      At any rate, there are mods that allow one to marry Serana for the PC, otherwise you'll just have to put up with her being single.

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    • Manish? Perhaps you are spoiled with mods that makes her look better as well? Just kidding! But seriously, I don't think she looks manish, she does comes with strong personality though. In my opinion at least.

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    • It's not that, it's just that there's something about her jaw that just strikes me as masculine, it's the same problem I had with Cassandra from Mass Effect 2 where her jaw is just too square and strong.

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    • Well, perhaps my wife was right about Nords, even women having rough looking faces. My wife prefers to make Breton female characters in Skyrim, saying that they turn out more preaty in her opinion then Nord females. Serana is technically a Nord. even though she is a vampire. But I see where you are going from, some female character these days do have a bit of square about their jaws. Take for example the Seeker of Chantry from Dragon Age II. By the way, might you have meant her? The name I believe sounds similar, I maybe mistaken if Seeker's name was Cassandra. I haven't played Mass Effect series, so I wouldn't know about characters there.

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    • The idea of marrying Serana within the context of the game's limited timeline seems...wrong. She is at her loneliest and most vulnerable during the events of Dawnguard. You are literally the first person she meets after having been stuck in a box for a while and one of the very few people to treat her like a person instead of a threat. It does rather feel like one is taking advantage of her horrible situation.

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    • I don't see how Serana is manish. Camilla on the other hand...

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    • XD

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    • Well Imperials do have those chizeled faces an all, but I never though of Camilla as manish. Although she does have an adventurous personality, if it wasn't for her brother, she would probably went after those bandits herself. I think she is into those hero adventurous types, not the bards or Bosmer wood cuters (The irony, Bosmer revear the trees as sacred in Valenwood and those that live outside of Valenwood, think that they are free to work as wood cutters. Such sacrillege, don't you think?)

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    • Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Well Imperials do have those chizeled faces an all, but I never though of Camilla as manish. Although she does have an adventurous personality, if it wasn't for her brother, she would probably went after those bandits herself. I think she is into those hero adventurous types, not the bards or Bosmer wood cuters (The irony, Bosmer revear the trees as sacred in Valenwood and those that live outside of Valenwood, think that they are free to work as wood cutters. Such sacrillege, don't you think?)

      Nah, I was reffering to Cassandra from Mass Effect, she has it way worse than Serana though, could probably break a slab of concrete with that jawbone...

      I think the Bosmer are allowed to use wood so long as it comes from outside Valenwood, although I do think that's pretty hypocritical when all's said and done. It also reminds me of the elves in Dwarf Fortress and how they throw fits over others using wood when their weapons and tools are completely wooden.

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    • For some folks, any sort of blockiness in the face is interpreted as being "mannish".   Any sort of body fat is "heavy".  Any sort of muscle tone is "butch".  So on, so forth.  Best not to get hung up on it.

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    • I know that in Valenwood they are allowed to use wood for construction and what is not, as long as it is not from Valenwood. Bosmer in Valenwood also don't alway know what to do with certain wooden objects, using bucket for helmets. I do wonder if there are a lot of Bosmer who live outside of Valenwood are working as lumber jacks. In Skyrim there are at least two or three like that. In Riverwood and in Iverstead. I cannot remember if that one in Riften who chops the wood near the fishery is Bosmer or Dunmer. At least brothers at Drunken Huntsman in Whiterun, doing what Bosmers supposed to do, hunt.

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Well Imperials do have those chizeled faces an all, but I never though of Camilla as manish. Although she does have an adventurous personality, if it wasn't for her brother, she would probably went after those bandits herself. I think she is into those hero adventurous types, not the bards or Bosmer wood cuters (The irony, Bosmer revear the trees as sacred in Valenwood and those that live outside of Valenwood, think that they are free to work as wood cutters. Such sacrillege, don't you think?)
      Nah, I was reffering to Cassandra from Mass Effect, she has it way worse than Serana though, could probably break a slab of concrete with that jawbone...

      I think the Bosmer are allowed to use wood so long as it comes from outside Valenwood, although I do think that's pretty hypocritical when all's said and done. It also reminds me of the elves in Dwarf Fortress and how they throw fits over others using wood when their weapons and tools are completely wooden.

      Cassandra? Do you mean Miranda, perhaps? I don't remember any character named Cassandra in ME2. 


      As for Serana, I think it's partially her hair that makes her face look more masculine. When she wears her hood (thus removing her hair because of the way the game renders stuff like that) her face looks much more feminine (and prettier, for that matter.) 

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    • She does wear her hair short, and it's not even the hair cut, she have that looped braid thing that goes all the way around her head and ends with a loop behind her head. I do believe there is a mod that gives her free falling, long hair. In my opinion women with long hair are beautiful, those with short hair are cute. If that makes any sense and by short I mean just off the shoulders, not almost male kind of short and definetly not a buzz cut. Although it depends on a woman, some women might look great with any hair lenght.

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    • I wholeheartedly agree; short hair is fantastic.

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    • I like short hair as long as it isn't too short.

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    • Well I don't mind long or short. However, I am probably spoiled by my wife, she grew her hair long, past her waist and I love everything about her. She got blonde hair and towards the end, the locks got wave to them. She was given a perm before and it messed up her hair a bit (was a gift from her grand father), so now she got partially straight and partially wavy hair. I think my wife is beautiful, even though I don't even know for how long she going to be officially my wife. Jeez, why do I bring up my wife so much? I mean she's lovly and everything, but I am not sure that the right topic for that kind of stuff.

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    • Coppermantis wrote:
      Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      Legate Alexandros wrote:
      Well Imperials do have those chizeled faces an all, but I never though of Camilla as manish. Although she does have an adventurous personality, if it wasn't for her brother, she would probably went after those bandits herself. I think she is into those hero adventurous types, not the bards or Bosmer wood cuters (The irony, Bosmer revear the trees as sacred in Valenwood and those that live outside of Valenwood, think that they are free to work as wood cutters. Such sacrillege, don't you think?)
      Nah, I was reffering to Cassandra from Mass Effect, she has it way worse than Serana though, could probably break a slab of concrete with that jawbone...

      I think the Bosmer are allowed to use wood so long as it comes from outside Valenwood, although I do think that's pretty hypocritical when all's said and done. It also reminds me of the elves in Dwarf Fortress and how they throw fits over others using wood when their weapons and tools are completely wooden.

      Cassandra? Do you mean Miranda, perhaps? I don't remember any character named Cassandra in ME2. 


      As for Serana, I think it's partially her hair that makes her face look more masculine. When she wears her hood (thus removing her hair because of the way the game renders stuff like that) her face looks much more feminine (and prettier, for that matter.) 

      Crap, you're right, for some reason I thought her name was Cassandra.

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    • 74.186.125.13 wrote:
      My guess, Bethesda considered it, and decided they didn't want to turn the best character they ever came up with into a housewife. Marrying Serana would switch her unique dialogue over to the standard "my darling" comments.

      Hello my darling, back from some adventure i bet.

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    • I wish Serana could be able for marriage if they changed it. She wouldn't just say the typical diolouge, she would still sass and complain, like "Have fun in that cursed sunlight?" and things of that nature. My Bosmer married Jenassa, but I still wish that she could have married Serana. 

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    • Because Serana and her family were devout followers of Molag Bal. The Daedra didn't make the ceremony of marriage,that was the Divines. In fact I think that Harkon married Velrica as a formality and never worshiped any of the Nine but only to please her at the time and that he was a King and had to show his people an example only later he turned to Molag Bal and began worshipping him for a form of immortality because he was afraid of a mortal death. Molag Bal hates everything about the Nine and that would include Mara's blessing of Marriage and Serana said that she and her family "Gave themselves" to Molag Bal and became "Daughters of Cold Harbor" meaning any Vampire that dies a vampire. They're souls are claimed by Molag Bal and taken to Cold Harbor after they " given a violent death". Harkon was married before he became a Pure Blood. Serana wont marry because she still worships Molag Bal and claims he gave her a great gift when you bring up the cure option. So there is no point in marriage between Vampires since they're souls were claimed by Molag Bal in exchange for their immortal dark gift. Harkon gave his soul to Molag Bal in exchange for immortality. Like the voo doo God Pa Pa Legba. Its a ruse. Vampires dont have souls. Why do you think vampires can move freely in the Soul Cairn without dying from the soul drain? Mara offered marriage to her followers so that they're souls can become enlightened through one another. No point if you're a vampire. Anyone who is bitten and turned ,they're souls become enslaved by Molag Bal the moment they turn. It is his way of domination. 

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    • Molag Bal created vampires to spite the Nine, mainly Arkay,the divine god of death and mortality and the First Son of Akatosh,Alduin was the first born demi god,half mortal,half Aedra of Akatosh. Marriage is a way couples honor Akatosh and Mara,also it honors Arkay.In which case,Serana wont enter a temple of any of the divines,she worships Bal,she wont do marriage,its against her religion. Serana Worships Molag Bal,not Akatosh,not Mara and not Arkay,she'd be a hipocrite if she married your charachter and thats why Bethesda didn't do that. If you pay attention to the lore and are die hard fans of Skyrim,you would have known all of this and its not in the cards.

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    • But what of turning Serana back to human? She gets her soul back and I don't think she continues to worship Molag Bal after that. Although, they did make her think that she is not deservant of that kind of blessing, after being a servant of Molag Bal for so long. However, you are right, as a vampire, Serana cannot get married since that would be against her belief, the best she could do, is get herself a mate (not in the sense of friend).

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    • It might also be that she doesn't have the same idea as to what it means to be married as most of Tamriel does now, she's a little over a thousand years old (I think...) so maybe things like wedding ceremonies and whatnot were very different back then and she wants to be married in a manner similar to her own culture.

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    • Very true. A marriage in the name of an Aedra wouldn't be fitting for a former vampire from over a thousand years ago.

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    • They should make wedding ceremonies for Daedra worshipers as well.

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    • I wonder if Daedra worshipers can get married in the face of Azura or Meridia, they seem like the Daedric Princes that would be like Mara for the worshipers of divines.

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    • I really think this should not be debated here, but still...

      Vampires having souls or not is dubious, because if a vampire lost their soul, you as the dovahkiin will not be able to shout and devour dragon souls, which you obviously still can. Also, vampires will fill black soul gems...

      Anyway, seriously, Serana dosen't have to worship Molag, because neiter do you. Vampirism might be from Molag but I highly doubt that he actually bothers with worship or religious zeal. I'll still stick with the Theory that Serana dosen't trust marraige.

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    • What is wrong with people my friends marries aela the huntress and now people want to marry serana are you trying to kill yourselves

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    • Remember that there are two types of vampires: The pure-blooded ones that went through the ritual with Molag Bal, and the lesser ones (Anywhere from half-breeds like our Dragonborn who got it pure enough to have the full power, but not have to go through the ritual to the ones we encounter in the wilds that are so diluted to not be able to assume VL form) who acquired vampirism through the bite of another.

      The lesser and half-breeds obviously keep their souls. Undead they may technically be, but they still fill my soul gems. 

      As for Harkon, Serana, and Valerica? No idea. Since they went through the ritual, whose details are unclear, they may or may not actually posess their souls. The first vampire was actually killed after being raped by Molag Bal, and his blood caused her to become undead. What exactly happened to her soul is unknown. Since Serana can be cured, though, either their souls are either still bound to the individual rather than Bal, or are easily accessible. That or Falion is one heck of a wizard. 

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      Sometimes,Life can be very displeasing especially when we loose the ones we love and cherish so much. in this kind of situation where one loses his/her soul mate there are several dangers engage in it. one may no longer be able to do the things he was doing before then success will be very scarce and happiness will be rare. that person was created to be with you for without him things may fall apart. That was my experience late last year. but thank god today i am happy with him again. all thanks goes to Dr. EDIONWE, i was nearly loosing hope until i saw an article on how Dr. EDIONWE could cast a love spell to make lovers come back. There is no harm in trying, i said to my self. i contacted him via email: igbodospiritualtemple@gmail.com
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    • Coppermantis wrote:
      Remember that there are two types of vampires: The pure-blooded ones that went through the ritual with Molag Bal, and the lesser ones (Anywhere from half-breeds like our Dragonborn who got it pure enough to have the full power, but not have to go through the ritual to the ones we encounter in the wilds that are so diluted to not be able to assume VL form) who acquired vampirism through the bite of another.

      The lesser and half-breeds obviously keep their souls. Undead they may technically be, but they still fill my soul gems. 

      As for Harkon, Serana, and Valerica? No idea. Since they went through the ritual, whose details are unclear, they may or may not actually posess their souls. The first vampire was actually killed after being raped by Molag Bal, and his blood caused her to become undead. What exactly happened to her soul is unknown. Since Serana can be cured, though, either their souls are either still bound to the individual rather than Bal, or are easily accessible. That or Falion is one heck of a wizard. 

      Actually there are many different kinds of vampire and none of them are really "pure" anymore, remember that the origin story of the vampires we got was from the Volkihar, who by and large are a pretty vain lot who consider everything that isn't them as nothing more than animals. The "common" vampires that are usually encountered are just Cyrodilic vampires, they aren't natibe to Syrim like the Volkihar. We don't have any evidence that says the Volkihar are the only source of "Pure Blood" vampires.

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    • 76.254.35.37 wrote:
      I think everybody is missing the point here by saying "it would just ruin her character by giving her the boring marriage dialogue".  Why couldn't Bethesda write Serana her own unique dialogue for marriage? Dammit Bethesda, you can't just hint at romance and then unexpectedly and pointlessy shut it down at the very end. That's something EA would be expected to do ( worse still considering they didn't). You're better than this.

      Bethesda, putting you in the friend zone since 1986  

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    • 109.155.41.158 wrote:
      It's just a bit of a shame, as Serana seems to really bond and have chemistry with the Dragonborn. I mean, I'm a heterosexual female, and I'd still kill my current husband, Farkas for her as she just goes so well with my character. 

      Every girl is lezzie for Serana.

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    • My original Dragonborn is a widower with two children, too bad on x box 360, you cannot remarry after your spouse died. Alexandros and Utchgerd might not have gotten along all the time in the end, but he genuinly grieved her death when she suddenly dissapeared inside one of the dungeons. I think it was Anselvund, the quest to get the Forge Master's fingers, in the dungeon where the Redguard Necromancer tried to avange her husband by taking control of long dead lovers. He might have his sights on Jordis after that, but ultimately he regreted bringing his wife to that wretched dungeon. She was the first follower he had, she followed him even before Lydia did and she lived trough him killing Vitoria Vici and Emperor Titus Mede II. Not to mention they actually lived in Solitude by then. Alexandros might even be a disgrace to his rank of a Legate and not worthy of being War Hero, since as a member of the Legion, he killed his Emperor. So, I am guessing he as Serana would have at least the dark past they want to forget in common. Too bad she wouldn't want to marry at all and by now not wanting to speak of it ever again. Oh wait, she isn't even following him anymore, just sits and looks really pretty in Fort Dawnguard. Could it have been that he offended her with suggesting that she would turn back to human? Just Kidding on this one, I know it's unrelated.

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    • 109.155.41.158 wrote:
      It's just a bit of a shame, as Serana seems to really bond and have chemistry with the Dragonborn. I mean, I'm a heterosexual female, and I'd still kill my current husband, Farkas for her as she just goes so well with my character. 

      dude i am too and i had a mammoth and a dragon kil farkas he was a douche :/

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    • Hey be nice to Farkas, he actually liked you, anyone else would have gotten his fist! Wait, isn't Farkas always an essential character?

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    • Ya know what the worst part is? The excuse for why she can't marry you...

      You go on many adventures together, slay a LOT of things, you like her, she likes you, etc. and its almost a perfect match. So, WHY can't she marry you?

      Because she is afraid of temples.... -_-

      I mean, I know very little about TES lore, but does ALL marriages have to take place in a temple?

      Bethesda just teases you with it: "Yeah, she wants you, she wants you, your gonna get married and NOPE. Too much temple for her!" D:

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    • DaedraBorn101 wrote:
      Ya know what the worst part is? The excuse for why she can't marry you...

      You go on many adventures together, slay a LOT of things, you like her, she likes you, etc. and its almost a perfect match. So, WHY can't she marry you?

      Because she is afraid of temples.... -_-

      I mean, I know very little about TES lore, but does ALL marriages have to take place in a temple?

      Bethesda just teases you with it: "Yeah, she wants you, she wants you, your gonna get married and NOPE. Too much temple for her!" D:

      There are legit reasons for why she doesn't want to get married beyond "Lol no temples are scary", here's a few both factual and speculative (if likely IMO).

      1.) She's not afraid of temples, she's afraid of who owns them (ie Mara), I don't think that the Divines look favorably on vampires in general and for one to have the metaphorical balls to walk into HER temple and ask for HER blessing to get married in a rite particular to HER worship probably wouldn't come out of it in one piece, or at least not without consequences.

      2.) Remember that as a vampire she's a semi daedric entity and has probably worshipped Molag Baal for countless years. She's probably commited more than her fair share of crimes including murder to sate her hunger and who knows how many people she may have transformed into vampires accidentally or otherwise. She may be guilty about what she's done and not want to accidentally involve others into her problems by being associated with her.

      3.) As a vampire she's had to keep from being in the limelight for at least several centuries, if she revealed herself to the public (even if disguised) she'd still be increasing the odds of someone finding out her identity. All it takes is ONE loose end to make her unable to ever walk about Skyrim or Tamriel at large without being constantly attacked by would be vampire hunters, or at the very least she'd likely be shunned.

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:

      DaedraBorn101 wrote:
      Ya know what the worst part is? The excuse for why she can't marry you...

      You go on many adventures together, slay a LOT of things, you like her, she likes you, etc. and its almost a perfect match. So, WHY can't she marry you?

      Because she is afraid of temples.... -_-

      I mean, I know very little about TES lore, but does ALL marriages have to take place in a temple?

      Bethesda just teases you with it: "Yeah, she wants you, she wants you, your gonna get married and NOPE. Too much temple for her!" D:

      There are legit reasons for why she doesn't want to get married beyond "Lol no temples are scary", here's a few both factual and speculative (if likely IMO).

      1.) She's not afraid of temples, she's afraid of who owns them (ie Mara), I don't think that the Divines look favorably on vampires in general and for one to have the metaphorical balls to walk into HER temple and ask for HER blessing to get married in a rite particular to HER worship probably wouldn't come out of it in one piece, or at least not without consequences.

      2.) Remember that as a vampire she's a semi daedric entity and has probably worshipped Molag Baal for countless years. She's probably commited more than her fair share of crimes including murder to sate her hunger and who knows how many people she may have transformed into vampires accidentally or otherwise. She may be guilty about what she's done and not want to accidentally involve others into her problems by being associated with her.

      3.) As a vampire she's had to keep from being in the limelight for at least several centuries, if she revealed herself to the public (even if disguised) she'd still be increasing the odds of someone finding out her identity. All it takes is ONE loose end to make her unable to ever walk about Skyrim or Tamriel at large without being constantly attacked by would be vampire hunters, or at the very least she'd likely be shunned.

      Well... um... ok....

      I need to learn my lore before posting XD

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    • Serana even if you could marry her it would be the same as any marriable NPC.To marry any NPC you at least like her(the possible NPC spouse) after you marry that NPC is the same dialogue as any other  wife. Long story short serana wouldnt be unique anymore if she turned to a housewive .some mod  should exist that adds an extra adventure  WITH serana. So your relationship with her isnt just coming to your house ask for money , a meal and sleep .

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    • The Dragonborn can live with Serana as a vampire lord in the castle volkihar, provided the Dragonborn is not married and choose the volkihar clan path. The Dragonborn can develop a intimate relationship with Serana, the player has the option (Through the dialogue.) of consummating their relationship even though Serana can't be married.

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    • Who says you have to side with the vampires? I mean, it's not like you're alone in the castle or anything. It's not really any different from fort Dawnguard.


      If you really want to live with her, get the "my home is your home" mod. 

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    • The console versions can´t be modded, i am talking about the official mode not the mods.

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    • The fact that Serana wants to keep "adventuring" with you after Harkon is killed is proof enough of intimacy...I mean especially whe she was like "Dad, gtfo, I won't let you hurt him/her."  

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    • 24.237.137.45 wrote:
      The fact that Serana wants to keep "adventuring" with you after Harkon is killed is proof enough of intimacy...I mean especially whe she was like "Dad, gtfo, I won't let you hurt him/her."  


      That doesn't prove a romantic connection at all, it could just be simple self interest on Serana's part since she found out about Harkon's intent to sacrifice her. It could also just be that she considers the dragonborn her friend, since depending on their dialogue choices they're the first person to treat them with any sort of deceny in a long time.

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    • Well...I heard a line of dialogue from her after I killed Harkon when I took her to Eldergleam. She said stuff like "This makes it all worth it" before, but never "Wow this place is gorgeous, I'm glad your here with me." Sounds a bit more romantic, wouldn't you say? And before you say, no, it's all in the tone of her voice..ou la la

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    • People can misjudge tones all the time, so unless Serana comes out and confesses we have to assume that she isn't attracted to the Dragonborn.

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    • Ok... Maybe not as wife... At least a lover, I mean come on! Everyone has them and she hadn't had her fill in what... 4000 thousand years? Give or take?

      I think it's true what Hereticalthoughts said, but she does consider the Dragonborn a person of trust, the only person of trust. And she seems to be more emotionally attached than the other vampires who have the emotional range of a paralyzed draugr, I think she may even enjoy a lover's touch.

      Besides, you saved her life on several occassions, and everyone knows that if you save a princess' life, you get the booty. Jeez.

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    • She might just be celibate or outright asexual, not everyone has the same drives.

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    • it's probably because the last ritual she took place in had her and her mom getting raped by molag bal, thats what he does to turn women into pure blooded vampires

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    • Oh Dragonborn, Ser Jorah Mormont feels your pain.

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    • After 4000 years, I'm sure she had forgiven ol' Molag for raping her and her momma. Little note, I read in a book I got from Apocrypha that when Lamae turned she ripped out the throats of the women, ate the children's eyeballs and raped the men like Molag did to her, doesn't sound that outright asexual to me. Maybe Lamae turned into a horny psychopath, but somehow I doubt Serana is like that. Serana would probably be the best eternal lover/wife you could wish for.

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    • 82.75.31.116 wrote:
      After 4000 years, I'm sure she had forgiven ol' Molag for raping her and her momma. Little note, I read in a book I got from Apocrypha that when Lamae turned she ripped out the throats of the women, ate the children's eyeballs and raped the men like Molag did to her, doesn't sound that outright asexual to me. Maybe Lamae turned into a horny psychopath, but somehow I doubt Serana is like that. Serana would probably be the best eternal lover/wife you could wish for.

      For the sake of rape victims everywhere, I hope you don't go into classes to become a therapist.

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    • 82.75.31.116 wrote:
      After 4000 years, I'm sure she had forgiven ol' Molag for raping her and her momma. Little note, I read in a book I got from Apocrypha that when Lamae turned she ripped out the throats of the women, ate the children's eyeballs and raped the men like Molag did to her, doesn't sound that outright asexual to me. Maybe Lamae turned into a horny psychopath, but somehow I doubt Serana is like that. Serana would probably be the best eternal lover/wife you could wish for.

      (facepalm) you DO realize how horrible rape really is, don't you? And that book is fairly common knowledge in Skyrim, it's called Opus Lamae Bal. Plus, Serana rightfully blames Molag for driving such a wedge between their families, so the whole 'she still worships and fawns over him' is bullshit considering all the crap that Molag has caused her to go through.

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    • Guys, Guys, Guys.

      I think that some of the dialogue (Espicially the marriage talk.) hints at an attraction, but she does not come ot and say it. She may, She may not. Me? I think she does, but that's my opinion.

      And on the subject of her forgetting about how she was raped, forgiving molag, and wanting it... I ask you to please get off this thread right now -__-. Rape is a serious thing, and there will never be someone stupid enough to say "Oh, I got raped. Forget a bout it."

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    • 74.186.125.13 wrote: My guess, Bethesda considered it, and decided they didn't want to turn the best character they ever came up with into a housewife. Marrying Serana would switch her unique dialogue over to the standard "my darling" comments.

      Excelllent point.

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    • Bethesda really knows how to make a good game...I mean come on, i have felt in love with serena while the girls in real life mean nothing to me.

      Also i remember feeling stuff for christina back in a fallout NV DLC :) and imagine that christi was a mute for half the dlc. Probably what made her the ideal chick to hang around

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    • Question....part of the debate is that Serana is 1000s of years old. From what I understand, she was basically in stasis for a LONG time right? So basically it would mean she comes out of that at the same 'mental' age or whatever that she went into stasis (I know, the word stasis probably isn't the best choice for a fantasy game).

      So, if that is taken into account, how did you guys calculate the years she was an actual functioning member of the world and not sleeping through it? Just curious, I'm sure I've missed something somewhere.

      Kudos for one of the most interesting and entertaining threads I've read in a good while folks :)

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    • Well, she pre-dates the Empire, likely putting her pre-stasis life somewhere during the Interregnum, between 2E 430 and 2E 804. This means that she was in Dimhollow for at least 1200 years, give or take. If she pre-dated any Cyrodillic empire, that would put her before 1E 2703, which is possible but unlikely. 

      Although, Durhneviir states that he was tricked into guarding Valerica when the Dragons were still out and about, indicating that Serana and Valerica fled Harkon during the Merethic Era. This is inconsistent, as it would mean that she pre-dates both Ysgramor and the disappearance of the Dwemer, both of which she knows something about. It is possible that the Ideal Masters did some time trickery to bump him forward, as Valerica states that "time has no meaning" in the Soul Cairn. Thus, Serana probably "lived" during the Interregnum.

      As for how old she was at that time, no one knows exactly. She seems to have been in her 20s or 30s based on her appearance (assuming that humans in TES age like real humans) at the time she became a vampire, but after that she'd presumably stop aging, so it could have been any amount of time. 

      We can conclude that she was born after 2E 430, became a vampire 20-30 years later, and was sealed away prior to 2E 804. 

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    • Thanks for the informative reply, Coppermantis!

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    • 82.75.31.116 wrote:
      After 4000 years, I'm sure she had forgiven ol' Molag for raping her and her momma. Little note, I read in a book I got from Apocrypha that when Lamae turned she ripped out the throats of the women, ate the children's eyeballs and raped the men like Molag did to her, doesn't sound that outright asexual to me. Maybe Lamae turned into a horny psychopath, but somehow I doubt Serana is like that. Serana would probably be the best eternal lover/wife you could wish for.

      No. Just no. First of all, not all vampires even worship Molag (see: Janus Hassildor, Sybille Stentor, Vicente Valtieri, and Babette) and after the Dawnguard quest, no matter what side you choose, it's safe to say that Serana holds no more reverance to him after all the hell she went through.

      Second off, how can you forgive someone for such a beyond horrible action like rape? Again, as said above by even other posters, there is no way Serana holds any reverance to Molag after that.

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    • Let's all agree that 82.75 just said something in a very stupid way and forget about the statement, aye?

      At any rate, I just don't think Serana's interested in something like marriage, especially with someone who may be thousands of years her junior.

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    • If i could marry serrana i would jump up and down constantly

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    • I noticed that Serana is allways smiling to the Dragonborn, when i am using her as a follower.

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    • Tesshu wrote:
      I noticed that Serana is allways smiling to the Dragonborn, when i am using her as a follower.

      ...nice........

      friend :....nice

      brother :...nice

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfOjkB17BA

      -tdwtg

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    • Get the UFO mod. Makes every follower marriable.

      you're welcome.

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    • Dear Serana, this is MY Ondolemar! Could you please get your own thralls and stop waking mine when they die in battle? It gets sort of annoying. Especially when your pathetic little "reanimate corpse" spell turns them into ash when it wears off. And then I have to load a previous save if i don't wanna lose my thrall since I can't dead thrall an ashpile. And please stop b*tching about the weather, caves and everything in general. Thank you!

      PS: You're not even that pretty.

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    • If you really want to marry Seana and you are on PC get this mod. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28685/?

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    • 50.142.219.77
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