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Dark brotherhood's benefits?

  • What benefits can be gained from joining the dark brotherhood?

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    • Shadowmere, 20,000+ gold, a permanent summoning spell and followers who have very high level caps. Oh, and Blade of Woe.

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    • A cool daggerhorse and summonable phantom, kinda get a house at the end you do make a fair bit of gold too (and the assassination's will never end). The Guild's npc's (and maybe quests) are some of the more interesting in the game too. Some people like the ninja-ish armor too.

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    • Immortal horse if I may...

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    • Destroying the Dark Brotherhood is a waste and means you don't get the whole game. It isn't even fun, it is just boring and rewardless. Always join them, NEVER destroy them.

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    • Blade of Woe, that's enough for me to jion them.

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    • I haven't even tried to destroy them... KIll the khajiit and the bit*h then go to the sanctuary...

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    • Like what everyone else said, you get some pretty nice stuff, and some pretty OP armour if you are an assassin. No point in destroying them.

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    • You get even better armor if you make sure to get the bonuses on your kills :D (Ancient)

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    • You also receive the karma of being a hired assassin. What a fine horse though, money not bad, cool armor and and yes even a sweet place to live if you can stand the screaming of the prisoners. That music to Nazir's ears though. Quest are fun, doubt I would have changed from not joining, will see what future brings.Laslo451 (talk) 16:02, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

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    • You all have persuaded me to join

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    • ) You are welcome good sir. You will not regret it.
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    • I tried Destroy the Dark Brotherhood before I did the Brotherhood questline. The Brotherhood questline is my favorite one, and Destroy the Dark Brotherhood was, if I may, boring. "Oh, great! You just destroyed an ancient murdering assasin's guild? Wonderful! Here's 3000 gold, as apposed to the 20,000+ you get for the questline."

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    • I did the math...

      You get from around 29900 to around 34250 for doing all normal quests and all contracts...

      and the dark brotherhood forever can give you from 500 to 1200 gold and it goes on forever... So it's actually infinite gold :p

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    • If you're roleplaying the good guy, though, killing the Dark Brotherhood can be fun, and you can still obtain the armor from them after clearing the Sanctuary.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      If you're roleplaying the good guy, though, killing the Dark Brotherhood can be fun, and you can still obtain the armor from them after clearing the Sanctuary.

      I was playing a good guy, and I joined the Thieves Guild and said I was doing it Robin Hood style, and I joined the Dark Brotherhood and roleplayed people who needed to die deserved it or had a bounty on their head.

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    • Oh they had a bounty, it just may not have always been 'deserved'. lol

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    • but what if you are an imperial suporter? what are the reasons for killing the emperor?

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    • Depends on what you feel is best for the Empire.

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    • The best benefit in my opinion is the 20,000 septems you get at the end of the quest line. Not counting the countless thousands you willl get of little contracts

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    • the end money is still 30'000 not 20'000 cuz of the other jobs... most people will most likely end up with around 30'000 gold probably more...

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    • I know that. Didn't you see the part where I said "Not counting the countless thousands you earn from little contracts".

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    • i wasn't counting the night mothers endless contracts...

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    • I think the whole badass unkillable horse that magically follows you everywhere is the best reward.

      Specially since Shadowmere is all "DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE. *Hoof to the face.*" when she(?) sees a hostile NPC.

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    • To answer the gender bit, Shadowmere has been both male and female (Skyrim and Oblivion, respectively, I think).  So officially, I would say no gender, much like that of the Deadra.  I actually hold the belief that the horse is Deadric in nature.

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    • People always forgot the fact if you torture the prisoners they tell you we're there a gold stash.

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    • No one has even mentioned Cicero as a potential follower, not to mention his essential status which renders him unkillable.

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    • Is he still essential even after everything is done?  I suppose I was unaware of that, I hate having followers so I never had him with me.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      To answer the gender bit, Shadowmere has been both male and female (Skyrim and Oblivion, respectively, I think).  So officially, I would say no gender, much like that of the Deadra.  I actually hold the belief that the horse is Deadric in nature.

      Astrid apparently calls Shadowmere he and she during diffrent sections of dialog i never noticed myself just remember the wiki pointing out (the actress is also a pink hedgehog so you can't blame her for being confused). In Oblivion Shadowmere was only called she.

      Ciccero is bumped back up to essential if you spare him.

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    • AzuraKnight wrote:

      (the actress is also a pink hedgehog so you can't blame her for being confused).

      You sir just made my day :P

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      Is he still essential even after everything is done?  I suppose I was unaware of that, I hate having followers so I never had him with me.

      Yes, he is always essential. The only time Cicero can be killed is during the quest 'A Cure For Madness', when the player has the option to kill him or spare him. But other than that, he can never be killed. 

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    • If you want to kill him after the DB questline has finished you could download the change morality mod. It allows you to make essentail NPC'S killable and unessential NPC'S unkillable. 

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    • Or you could use setessential to make cicero mortal.

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    • Or that. 

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    • At the end the guards are also like .Omg are you...you know the Dark Brotherhood... . its fun in a way. This is some kind of payback to all the guards in Skyrim who all asked if someone stole your sweetroll...no matter your level or the fact that you are a powerful dragonborn...

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    • I've never actually got that far in The Dark Brotherhood questline because I always felt sorry for the people I killed, but all this endless cash is changing my mind. But I wondered if how do you get endless contracts? Are the people just regenerated for the purpose of an assasination or are they actual people roaming around?

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    • The quest generates a new npc for the target each time (wiki page here).

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    • Thanks for the help, I've just started the Dark Brotherhood questline on my new character and I'm gonna get right into it. Thanks again :D

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    • I enjoying Dark Brotherhood questline, I'm breton with 100 sneak skill. I'm planning to be assassin/Mage/Theft tho. it might nice to see all mix together to pull off anything.

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    • Well if you complete one of the bonus objectives for one of the missions you recieve a free reading from a fortune teller in Whiterun, which will lead you to a cave which has some very nice ancient shrouded armor, boots, gloves, etc at the end. Basically upgraded versions of the standard Dark Brotherhood clothing, but it's really good for a stealthy type character. I actively wear 3 pieces of the armor as a matter of fact.

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    • 74.97.59.205 wrote:
      Well if you complete one of the bonus objectives for one of the missions you recieve a free reading from a fortune teller in Whiterun, which will lead you to a cave which has some very nice ancient shrouded armor, boots, gloves, etc at the end. Basically upgraded versions of the standard Dark Brotherhood clothing, but it's really good for a stealthy type character. I actively wear 3 pieces of the armor as a matter of fact.

      It's still possible to obtain that Ancient Shrouded Armor even if you don't complete the optional objective in the mission in which you get it, through the use of the "Plate glitch", which allows you to walk through walls.

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    • Agreed, the main benefits of the Dark Brotherhood include Shadowmere and the huge mass of Gold from the questline, not to mention the fun of the questline itself. Also, the Emperor's Robes, a unique little piece of apparel. Lastly, you get a neat little bit of extra dialogue(s) for Delvin Mallory should you also join the Thieves Guild. The Blade of Woe and (presumably, from looting) other Dark Brotherhood apparel (except the Ancient Shrouded Armor) can be obtained from joining or destroying the Brotherhood.

      Destroying the Brotherhood nets Nazir's unique clothing, but that's about it. Still, it makes sense if you're trying to role-play a "strict good guy" or something. My own character had a contract on himself and was attacked by an Argonian Assassin before I/he ever dealt with Aventus Aretino, so the choice for him was clear to me (he's also fighting against the Empire for a similar reason). Still, I completed the actual Dark Brotherhood questline on another character, and don't regret it.

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    • Im not the bad guy,and I thought Titus Mede II was  a pretty cool guy.

      I completed the DBH questline on one account,and although I loved the endless sea of gold and amongst other things,I admittly did it just for the trophies (I have a PS3). I really felt weird,because I mostly joined the Imperial Legion,and it wouldnt make sense to swear an oath to a guy only to kill Titus later. Almost all my accounts now are about destroying the DBH.the 3000 gold you get from Maro plus the loot from the dead bodies amount to atleast 5-6 thousand coins.

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    • Killing Titus Mede II doesn't really break your oath to the Empire. He was a weak Emperor by many means and he knew his fate would be completed by the hand of the Dark Brotherhood. It is true that you make an oath to Titus Mede II himself if you join the Empire before killing him but maybe he prefers it this way? So Tamriel can have greater leader then himself, he didn't seem to be blind to his weakness.

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    • ...errrm i don't think thats how oath's work.

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    • It breaks the oath but for the good of the Empire is what I am trying to say. So an enemy of the Empire and a Hero of the Empire at the same time. Ever played MGS3? It is some thing like that with the situation of The Boss. But I haven't played MGS3 in a while so I might be making shit up.

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    • I also prefer to go the morals & ethics guy too.  I always felt bad about the people I got assigned to kill, well most of the time anyways.  I found myself procrastinating on the contracts if it involved someone I didn't want to kill.  The charecters are quite ammusing, Cicero especially and some perks your inable to obtain if you destroy them, like the horse & summoning spell.  But you are able to get most of the Brotherhoods armor and the Blade of woe as soon as you meet Astrid, at a high enough skill level, you can even pickpocket the Dagger from Astrid once you get into the Sanctuary.  I would however join them at least once for Achivements/Trophies & just to experience the plot.  

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    • the dark brotherhood questline is worth doing just for the gold alone.  you also get the best horse in the game, a permanant summoned follower, the blade of woe, endless contracts, the dawnstar sanctuary, and great assassian gear.  btw cicero is worth keeping alive his dialogue is hilarious

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    • I also use up the 20,000 septims on rebuilding the sanctuary.

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:

      It's still possible to obtain that Ancient Shrouded Armor even if you don't complete the optional objective in the mission in which you get it, through the use of the "Plate glitch", which allows you to walk through walls.

      With the latest patch, the plate/bowl/basket glitch no longer works. (Tested on PC and XBox)

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    • 216.177.129.89 wrote:
      the dark brotherhood questline is worth doing just for the gold alone.  you also get the best horse in the game,

      Shadowmere is not the best horse, Arvak is.

      Shadowmere can die. Shadowmere can also be a royal pain in the butt when the Dragonborn wants to make a stealthy approach to a location not inside a city.

      Arvak can't die, can be summoned when he is wanted, and disappears when not needed anymore.

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    • If you join and complete the quests you get 20,000 gold but if you destroy it then you only get 3,000 gold . So which one would you chose honestly ?

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    • Honestly? I avoid the whole thing on most saves. That gold is pretty much for the purpose of rebuilding the sancuary (you don't have to of course) so i don't really count it but there is a lot of other gold to made.

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    • Your right about the 20,000 gold only really being there to rebuild the sancuary, However its a RPG game so you don't have to spend it on furnishing's, you could spend it on weapons or armor.

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    • DarthOrc wrote:
      Lord Hadron wrote:
      It's still possible to obtain that Ancient Shrouded Armor even if you don't complete the optional objective in the mission in which you get it, through the use of the "Plate glitch", which allows you to walk through walls.
      With the latest patch, the plate/bowl/basket glitch no longer works. (Tested on PC and XBox)

      Now THAT is a shame. But I'll have you know that this glitch still works for Playstation 3.

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    • (Why do I mix Lord Hadron and Lord Hard-on together?)

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    • Nait Nelthar wrote:
      (Why do I mix Lord Hadron and Lord Hard-on together?)

      In that case, time to change.

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    • Ahh, freedom. Now that's more like it.

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    • All of you forgot to say if you destroy DB (which I didn't) you get Redguard Clothes,or if you finish the DB questline (my case) you get a Dark Brotherhood Initiates which are at least 4 followers if upgraded.

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      Destroying the Dark Brotherhood is a waste and means you don't get the whole game. It isn't even fun, it is just boring and rewardless. Always join them, NEVER destroy them.

      Well, there are people who doesn't like the Dark Brotherhood and/or creates GOOD characters, just so you know. If someone want to destroy the Dark Brotherhood, who's gonna stop their decision doing it?

      There is always a choice! 

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    • To get the destroy quest you still have to commit a murder Grelod may deserve it but its still murder so a 100% good character can't really do either.

      The Initiates have been mention in the first reply, their ok i guess just don't leave anything in their inventory after dismissing them as it'll probably dissapear.

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    • 86.44.223.35 wrote:
      All of you forgot to say if you destroy DB (which I didn't) you get Redguard Clothes,or if you finish the DB questline (my case) you get a Dark Brotherhood Initiates which are at least 4 followers if upgraded.

      You also get a crapload of redgaurd clothes if you help Saadia.

      Personally though, I'm not a fan of followers.

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    • Dmoontear wrote:
      86.44.223.35 wrote:
      All of you forgot to say if you destroy DB (which I didn't) you get Redguard Clothes,or if you finish the DB questline (my case) you get a Dark Brotherhood Initiates which are at least 4 followers if upgraded.
      You also get a crapload of redgaurd clothes if you help Saadia.

      Personally though, I'm not a fan of followers.


      No you don't, you get Alik'r clothes. Reguard clothes are uniquely on Nazir, along with the Redgaurd hood.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      Depends on what you feel is best for the Empire.


      Good Answer.  I've played it both ways, destroying them and joining them.  I find I like being an assassin, especially the part where I kill the Emperor. (My favorite part of that is where I'm caught on the bridge after I've poisoned the doppelganger and realize I've been betrayed by Astrid.)

      I've been both a Paragon and an Evil Dovahkiin.  On this 5th playthrough I am somewhere in between.  It truly depends upon individual choice.  I love strategy over brute force and the Dark Brotherhood questline offers endless opportunity for strategy.  I care not one whit about the gold.  By the time I join the Brotherhood I have more gold than I can ever spend.

      A WORD OF WARNING = Finish the Thieves Guild Questline first!  The two questlines conflict. 

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    • Efmrider wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      Depends on what you feel is best for the Empire.
      A WORD OF WARNING = Finish the Thieves Guild Questline first!  The two questlines conflict. 

      Erm, no they don't. In what way do you mean they conflict because I've never noticed anything and I've had 6 characters join both guilds.

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    • Olain Witguard wrote:
      Efmrider wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      Depends on what you feel is best for the Empire.
      A WORD OF WARNING = Finish the Thieves Guild Questline first!  The two questlines conflict. 
      Erm, no they don't. In what way do you mean they conflict because I've never noticed anything and I've had 6 characters join both guilds.


      Sometimes Delvin may assign a fishing job targeting a character already killed in a Dark Brotherhood mission.

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    • Dmoontear wrote:

      86.44.223.35 wrote:
      All of you forgot to say if you destroy DB (which I didn't) you get Redguard Clothes,or if you finish the DB questline (my case) you get a Dark Brotherhood Initiates which are at least 4 followers if upgraded.

      You also get a crapload of redgaurd clothes if you help Saadia.

      Personally though, I'm not a fan of followers.

      Redguard Clothes is a unique version of Hammerfell armor only found of killing Nazir.

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    • Nait Nelthar wrote:
      the end money is still 30'000 not 20'000 cuz of the other jobs... most people will most likely end up with around 30'000 gold probably more...


      As all our Dragonborns are expert alchemists, 30,000 septims is mere chump change. They don't sell jewels or jewelry and none has less than 250,000 septims, after buying/building and furnishing all the houses and mansions.

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    • I had all 5 houses furnished,but I got legendary edition and now i'm furnishing my lakeview manor.

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    • DarthOrc wrote:
      Olain Witguard wrote:
      Efmrider wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      Depends on what you feel is best for the Empire.
      A WORD OF WARNING = Finish the Thieves Guild Questline first!  The two questlines conflict. 
      Erm, no they don't. In what way do you mean they conflict because I've never noticed anything and I've had 6 characters join both guilds.

      Sometimes Delvin may assign a fishing job targeting a character already killed in a Dark Brotherhood mission.


      Ah okay. Never noticed 'cuz I don't do the Fishing Jobs :P

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    • Why not? They really level up the Pickpocket skill quickly as they usually involve expensive items.

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    • 86.44.223.35 wrote:

      Dmoontear wrote:

      86.44.223.35 wrote:
      All of you forgot to say if you destroy DB (which I didn't) you get Redguard Clothes,or if you finish the DB questline (my case) you get a Dark Brotherhood Initiates which are at least 4 followers if upgraded.
      You also get a crapload of redgaurd clothes if you help Saadia.

      Personally though, I'm not a fan of followers.

      Redguard Clothes is a unique version of Hammerfell armor only found of killing Nazir.

      Meh. What I said about followers still applies. I know I'm not the only one that doesn't like or want them.

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    • Dmoontear wrote:
      86.44.223.35 wrote:

      Dmoontear wrote:


      86.44.223.35 wrote:
      All of you forgot to say if you destroy DB (which I didn't) you get Redguard Clothes,or if you finish the DB questline (my case) you get a Dark Brotherhood Initiates which are at least 4 followers if upgraded.
      You also get a crapload of redgaurd clothes if you help Saadia.

      Personally though, I'm not a fan of followers.

      Redguard Clothes is a unique version of Hammerfell armor only found of killing Nazir.
      Meh. What I said about followers still applies. I know I'm not the only one that doesn't like or want them.


      Yeah I'm like you. Never cared for followers, however I don't mind Serana.

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    • Olain Witguard wrote:
      Dmoontear wrote:
      86.44.223.35 wrote:

      Dmoontear wrote:


      86.44.223.35 wrote:
      All of you forgot to say if you destroy DB (which I didn't) you get Redguard Clothes,or if you finish the DB questline (my case) you get a Dark Brotherhood Initiates which are at least 4 followers if upgraded.
      You also get a crapload of redgaurd clothes if you help Saadia.
      Personally though, I'm not a fan of followers.
      Redguard Clothes is a unique version of Hammerfell armor only found of killing Nazir.
      Meh. What I said about followers still applies. I know I'm not the only one that doesn't like or want them.

      Yeah I'm like you. Never cared for followers, however I don't mind Serana.


      Yeah, as far as followers went, she was pretty tolerable.

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    • Serana is a crap follower. She has a tendancy to dissapear and use drain life on dead enemies and I don't mean ghost's.

      When I killed harkon she kept on using the spell on his remains. 

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    • I never had any of those problems with her.

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    • This is a thread about the Dark Brotherhood benefits, not Serana as a follower. Keep it on-topic.

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    • Only benefit for joining the brotherhood is the horse cause he/she is immortal and looks supercool with the horse rmor mod installed

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    • Alduin1996 wrote:
      Only benefit for joining the brotherhood is the horse cause he/she is immortal and looks supercool with the horse rmor mod installed

      As we said before, Arvak is already dead, doesn't follow you when you fast travel (messing up stealthy approaches), and looks great without any mods.

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    • Its not arvak, its shadowmere. The dark black horse that comes out of the tar. No DLC needed

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    • Alduin1996 wrote:
      Its not arvak, its shadowmere. The dark black horse that comes out of the tar. No DLC needed


      We know that. We were saying that Shadowmere isn't the best horse nor is he the best looking. As for it being from a DLC, at least that is cannon, horse armor in Skyrim is not.

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    • I thought you were saying that you got Arvak from doing the DB quests and I was thinking that cannot be right 

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    • Olain Witguard wrote:
      Efmrider wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      Depends on what you feel is best for the Empire.
      A WORD OF WARNING = Finish the Thieves Guild Questline first!  The two questlines conflict. 
      Erm, no they don't. In what way do you mean they conflict because I've never noticed anything and I've had 6 characters join both guilds.


      From what I heard if you complete the Dark Brotherhood questline before completing the entire Thieves Guild questline, including becoming Guildmaster, it could make the Solitude Special Quest for the Thieves Guild unable to be completed.

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    • I have not encountered this problem, I have two character that did DB first then Thieve's.

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    • Aurora Estrella wrote:
      Olain Witguard wrote:
      Efmrider wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      Depends on what you feel is best for the Empire.
      A WORD OF WARNING = Finish the Thieves Guild Questline first!  The two questlines conflict. 
      Erm, no they don't. In what way do you mean they conflict because I've never noticed anything and I've had 6 characters join both guilds.

      From what I heard if you complete the Dark Brotherhood questline before completing the entire Thieves Guild questline, including becoming Guildmaster, it could make the Solitude Special Quest for the Thieves Guild unable to be completeId.

      That didn't happen to me. I was still able to complete the Solitude special job and the Dark Brotherhood questline was the first one I ever finished back in 2011.

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    • 66.159.116.125 wrote:
      Aurora Estrella wrote:
      Olain Witguard wrote:
      Efmrider wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      Depends on what you feel is best for the Empire.
      A WORD OF WARNING = Finish the Thieves Guild Questline first!  The two questlines conflict. 
      Erm, no they don't. In what way do you mean they conflict because I've never noticed anything and I've had 6 characters join both guilds.

      From what I heard if you complete the Dark Brotherhood questline before completing the entire Thieves Guild questline, including becoming Guildmaster, it could make the Solitude Special Quest for the Thieves Guild unable to be completeId.
      That didn't happen to me. I was still able to complete the Solitude special job and the Dark Brotherhood questline was the first one I ever finished back in 2011.

      I can confirm this.

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    • What can you confirm? Which side of the issue?

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      Shadowmere, 20,000+ gold, a permanent summoning spell and followers who have very high level caps. Oh, and Blade of Woe.

      And Cicero.

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    • Who can forget Cicero?

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    • I said "followers who have very high level caps" didn't I? I was including Cicero when I said that.

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    • Cicero deserves his name in that post :p

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    • Nait Nelthar wrote:
      Cicero deserves his name in that post :p

      (Did I spell deserves wrong?)

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    • Nait Nelthar wrote:
      Nait Nelthar wrote:
      Cicero deserves his name in that post :p
      (Did I spell deserves wrong?)

      No, you didn't.

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    • I was pretty surprised by the amount of people who hate Cicero with a passion. Sure, he can get annoying, but he's essential, and I hate followers who'll die on me. Besides, Cicero was always a pretty good follower in my playthroughs. I killed him once, because I feel like I should try everything at least once. Suffice it to say, I don't think I'll ever be doing THAT again. His head stayed in the Sanctuary forever...

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    • do u need  dlc pack to join?

      PLz dont think i am a noob i havent been playing it long

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    • 31.185.244.1 wrote:
      do u need  dlc pack to join?

      PLz dont think i am a noob i havent been playing it long

      To join the Dark Brotherhood? No, you don't need any DLC. All you have to do is meet Aventis Arentino at his home in Windhelm, you'll hear him performing the Black Sacrament, talk to him and he'll mistake you as an assassin from the Dark Brotherhood, where he'll then give you a contract to kill Grelod the Kind in Riften at the Honorhall Orphanage. After that is done, report back to him, he'll then give you a family heirloom and you'll get a letter via Courier a couple days after, it'll be of a black hand print with writing below saying "We know". Once you're received that letter you sleep in a bed, doesn't matter how long, the screen goes to load and you wake up in the abandoned shack with Astrid, leader of the Dark Brotherhood. She'll then talk to you, saying you took their contract as your own, and now you have to murder one of three captives to pay it back. Once you've murdered one of them, or all of them, whatever you prefer.. it doesn't matter, you will then speak to her again and she'll talk to you some more and offer you a place in the Dark Brotherhood, if you're interested in further work with them, you go to their sancuary and talk to Astrid once more and she'll go further into explaining and such. It's all super basic. 

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    • I play a Khajiit so I can wear both the Shrouded and Ancient Shrouded hoods to get double bow enhancements. Wear the Ancient Shrounded boots and gloves as well and get the armor bonus. Then I put on the Nightingale armour for the cloak and stamina boost. That's one good looking assasin. Add in a Daedric bow and dagger and you are unstoppable. 

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