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The canon ending to the war

  • As an imperial sided individual, I have to say that it's most probable that the canon ending either belongs to the Stormcloaks victory or Season Unending.

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    • I think in future TES games, it will be very vague on the subject and say something to the effect of "Ulfric was successful for a time, but was eventually killed and the rebellion stopped." Another possible canon is it will say that "Ulfric was killed, but the Stormcloaks managed to gain independence." Either way Ulfric will have been killed. I think they will likely allow the stormcloak victory with a dead Ulfric.

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    • I do think that, to cause even more drama in the storyline, even Skyrim has been seperated from the empire, leaving only Cyrodil and Morrowind to fend for themselves against the evil Thalmor. Could be a cool story.

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    • Actually, it's Cyrodiil and High Rock. Morrowind is controlled by the argonians

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    • Madman97 wrote:
      I do think that, to cause even more drama in the storyline, even Skyrim has been seperated from the empire, leaving only Cyrodil and Morrowind to fend for themselves against the evil Thalmor. Could be a cool story.

      Morrowind left the empire a LONG time ago, Highrock is the only other country in the empire, and with no direct trade route it's not very likely that they'll stay with the empire.

      but yeah, I do agree that Ulfric is gonna die.

      Either that, or they go with the Season Unending ending from the main questline, an uneasy peace was established and Skyrim becomes independant, but is still allied with the empire.

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    • I like that idea.

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    • Pardon my error with the countries and all.

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    • I think that to be fair to both sides of the canonity (and those players who do not join the Civil War at all), the victor(s) of the Skyrim Civil War (if any) should be "lost to history". Conveniently, there would be a lot of texts describing the aftermath: the Thalmor defeating Skyrim. I see it entirely possible that the High Elves would not only initiate this "second war" against the Nords, but wipe out their history so that their epic struggles are all but forgotten...In a sort of "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" kind of way.

      To be honest, explaining away the results of the Civil War is quite simple...Compared to who the (last) Dragonborn was. (S)he too should be obscured, with many theories by NPCs, and dialogue for players to propose their own theories to what race and gender the Dragonborn was.

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    • I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

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    • Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      Come on guy, Ulfric's a really nice guy who truely does care for his fellow Nords. He's not going to turn into some spiteful tyrant. As  for the Altmer, the Slorgs(I think thats what there called) can be paid to wipe them out if needed. Also the Argonians wouldn't go down without taking the Emipire with them so a war with them would be the last thing on their minds. But when push comes to shove I'm sure the Empire would revolt against the Dominion rather then just let them walk right over them,

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    • In any Canon of the story, Ulfric must die. It will be vague on the details though.

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    • Hopefully regardless of who wins the civil war, Altmer will suffer the same fate as Ayleids/Dwemer and not be in subsequent games.

      There's too many elves any way and getting rid of the currently ones worse can only improve the game.

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    • Something tells me the player's actions during the conflict will turn out to be inconsequential. 

      Two scenarios seem likely. 

      One: The Dominion, having regained it's strength, will win, and launch a subsequent campaign of oppression (slavery, genocide, the whole nine yards), with nothing but scattered rebels in their way setting the stage for the sixth game. Dystopian elements.

      Two: All three powers wear down from the fighting and eventually collapse into lawlessness and despotism,  but at the same time, innovation (survival is the mother of invention) also setting the stage for another game (Darkest of the two, there's no grand adventure, no glory to be had, you do your best to come out at the top of the food chain). 

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    • Drakwind wrote:
      Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      Come on guy, Ulfric's a really nice guy who truely does care for his fellow Nords. He's not going to turn into some spiteful tyrant. As  for the Altmer, the Slorgs(I think thats what there called) can be paid to wipe them out if needed. Also the Argonians wouldn't go down without taking the Emipire with them so a war with them would be the last thing on their minds. But when push comes to shove I'm sure the Empire would revolt against the Dominion rather then just let them walk right over them,

      If he truly cared for his people then he wouldn't have sent a lot of them to their deaths, killed the king he swore fedelity to, and betray an empire he was sworn to protect.

      the only good thing he has done, was stop the markarth incident.

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    • King of Skyrim wrote:
      Drakwind wrote:
      Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      Come on guy, Ulfric's a really nice guy who truely does care for his fellow Nords. He's not going to turn into some spiteful tyrant. As  for the Altmer, the Slorgs(I think thats what there called) can be paid to wipe them out if needed. Also the Argonians wouldn't go down without taking the Emipire with them so a war with them would be the last thing on their minds. But when push comes to shove I'm sure the Empire would revolt against the Dominion rather then just let them walk right over them,
      If he truly cared for his people then he wouldn't have sent a lot of them to their deaths, killed the king he swore fedelity to, and betray an empire he was sworn to protect.

      the only good thing he has done, was stop the markarth incident.

      And make all the deaths and suffering of the Great War come to naught?

      Accept bondage, which don't be mistaken that's exactly what the WGC was.

      The Dominion could have pressed at any time to station occupying forces in any imperial provinces including Skyrim for no reason and all reasons and the medes empire wouldn't have anyway to refuse by the terms of the Concord.

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    • What good is an oath to an empire that is selling out it's citizens and lands left and right?

      Ulfric didn't brake any oaths, the empire did when it failed to do the one thing it should, protect tit's citizens.


      No compromise with evil.

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    • That's why I believe in order to be fair with Ulfric (and Tullius), both must fall to the Thalmor, and be dead, forgotten legends. That's not to say that the Aldmeri Dominion couldn't have been defeated afterward, though.

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    • There are several possibilities of how i think it will work: 1) The game will take what you did in the previous games (like how Mass Effect did), and apply that to the (likely) small details that would be affected by the civil war outcome, like books and scuh. 2) i feel like bethesda wanted the stormcloaks to be preffered over the empire, but that is just my opinion. 3) something with the elder scrolls may change the storyline (it is the name of the game, afterall).

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    • What about a Warp of the West (Or a Dragonbreak) Since the Dovahkiin also went to Sovngarde, this might be a possibility?

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    • 87.212.163.31 wrote:
      What about a Warp of the West (Or a Dragonbreak) Since the Dovahkiin also went to Sovngarde, this might be a possibility?

      true, but a dragonbreak is kind of a cop out

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    • My theory is that the Dominion will take nearly all of Tamriel accept for Cyrodil and Skyrim and will have conquered the other provinces accept of course Hammerfell because well Redguards and keeping the other inhabitants of Elsweyer? Morrowwind that forest place and High Rock as Sexual and Labourous Slaves

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    • I hope that the next game takes place during, or just shortly after (Like no more then a year or so) the events of Skyrim. That way what happens in the civil war wont really matter. That or make it take place at least 200 years in the future that way the civil war will be considered small and unimportant at the time and it can be explained away as "A time of civil unrest with no clear victor" and we can go on our merry way imagining whatever we want to imagine.

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    • Jak299 wrote:
      I hope that the next game takes place during, or just shortly after (Like no more then a year or so) the events of Skyrim. That way what happens in the civil war wont really matter. That or make it take place at least 200 years in the future that way the civil war will be considered small and unimportant at the time and it can be explained away as "A time of civil unrest with no clear victor" and we can go on our merry way imagining whatever we want to imagine.

      I'd wanna play durring or recently after skyrim; if we jump a couple centuries again it'll be like bethesda saying, yeah we don't care what happened back then, here's a completely different story.

      I mean, the first four games take place within thirty or fourty years or so, then out of nowhere this game jumps two hundred yars, and the stories in all but the last game before skyrim are not very important to Skyrim's story, it's mostly all about what happened in the past fifty years or so. skyrim and the next game or two can be part of their own story about the thalmor and the coming of the next great war. but if they jump ahead again and give us a completely different story... well I'd feel as if they were being a bit lazy with the story telling.

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    • That's why I want the next one to take place no more than a few years after the events of Skyrim

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    • Look I may not be the best with all the lore of the elder scrolls  but I got a theroy how it ended;

      Stormcloak Victory: Skyrim becomes indpendent and the empire is dissolved. Skyrim and Hammerfell battle the Thalmor all across Tamerial.

      Imperial Victory: The rebellion is crushed, the empire is reinvigorated after there victory in Skyrim. They consolidate there forces and invade Morrowind and slowly re-unifiy the empire.

      Again, I only played Skyrim and read some of the lore so I probobly have no idea what I'm talking about. Feel free to riff my theroy I'm not to much of and Elder Scrolls fan (I only have Skyrim) So yeah there it is.

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    • I feel thatt the only way to take out the Aldmeri Dominion is to be unified, so an Imperial victory would mmake sense. And an important fact, the Dominion want the Civil War to drag out, draining both sides of men and resources. If either side wins quickly, the Dominion don't have a chance to take over Tamriel so soon after the first Great War.

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    • Brewers9999 wrote:
      I feel thatt the only way to take out the Aldmeri Dominion is to be unified, so an Imperial victory would mmake sense. And an important fact, the Dominion want the Civil War to drag out, draining both sides of men and resources. If either side wins quickly, the Dominion don't have a chance to take over Tamriel so soon after the first Great War.

      Yeah, by why is the (Indepedent) Hammerfell able to kick the Dominions ass?

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    • Because the Dominion was drained from fighting with the Empire. Plus Hammerfell had the homefield advantage. Elves don't get along with large empty deserts. If the Dominion were to rally their forces and try to take it again, I think they could. It would be difficult, but they could.

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    • In all honesty, I think the Dominion will kick everybody's ass except the Argonians and Hist, who then bitch slap everyone and rule Tamriel.

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    • I just thought the elves won the war with the empire because the elves studied magic for generations and since magic had fallen out of favor in the empire (*cough*collegeofwinterhold*cough*) and that the elves had wiped out some frost runes and other arcane things and tore the Empire to shreds.

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    • Out of favor with the Empire?No, just the Nords.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      Out of favor with the Empire?No, just the Nords.


      True, but how many mages do you see roaming Skyrim? How many of them are affilated with the Imperials?

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    • Most of the mages with the empire are the Synnod. Though they're mostly worthless bags of hot air.

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    • Jak299 wrote:
      Most of the mages with the empire are the Synnod. Though they're mostly worthless bags of hot air.


      Well that kinda proves my point. I mean, how magicial prepared WERE they? (I've never heard of these mages because I don't play Skyrim very often)

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    • Well, if you take their word for it, they have a giant hoard of powerful magical artifacts somewhere in Cyrodill. So they themselves probably can't do much magic, but they have enough magical things to tear Nirn a new magic hole

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    • Jak299 wrote:
      Because the Dominion was drained from fighting with the Empire. Plus Hammerfell had the homefield advantage. Elves don't get along with large empty deserts. If the Dominion were to rally their forces and try to take it again, I think they could. It would be difficult, but they could.

      Then why was the only thing that "saved" the empire from "certain" destruction signing the treaty?

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    • 80.216.217.200 wrote:
      Jak299 wrote:
      Because the Dominion was drained from fighting with the Empire. Plus Hammerfell had the homefield advantage. Elves don't get along with large empty deserts. If the Dominion were to rally their forces and try to take it again, I think they could. It would be difficult, but they could.
      Then why was the only thing that "saved" the empire from "certain" destruction signing the treaty?

      Becasue "THE EMPIRE" was too busy thinking solely about Cyrodiil than it was about any other country, cyrodiil would have had a tough time in the war, but the empire as a whole would have been able to succeed, too bad they don't care about anything other than cyrodiil.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      80.216.217.200 wrote:
      Jak299 wrote:
      Because the Dominion was drained from fighting with the Empire. Plus Hammerfell had the homefield advantage. Elves don't get along with large empty deserts. If the Dominion were to rally their forces and try to take it again, I think they could. It would be difficult, but they could.
      Then why was the only thing that "saved" the empire from "certain" destruction signing the treaty?
      Becasue "THE EMPIRE" was too busy thinking solely about Cyrodiil than it was about any other country, cyrodiil would have had a tough time in the war, but the empire as a whole would have been able to succeed, too bad they don't care about anything other than cyrodiil.

      Well...High Rock, Skyrim, and Cyrodiil were the only areas doing well prior to the war.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      80.216.217.200 wrote:
      Jak299 wrote:
      Because the Dominion was drained from fighting with the Empire. Plus Hammerfell had the homefield advantage. Elves don't get along with large empty deserts. If the Dominion were to rally their forces and try to take it again, I think they could. It would be difficult, but they could.
      Then why was the only thing that "saved" the empire from "certain" destruction signing the treaty?
      Becasue "THE EMPIRE" was too busy thinking solely about Cyrodiil than it was about any other country, cyrodiil would have had a tough time in the war, but the empire as a whole would have been able to succeed, too bad they don't care about anything other than cyrodiil.

      First off, mede empire doesn't deserve capital letters.

      Second, very true.

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    • I believe that the Stormcloak victory will be considered canon, even if the Dragonborn chose to join the Legion (ie Ulfric was killed but the Stormcloaks still gained independence for Skyrim or something like that). This way, High Rock would also be forced to secede from the Empire, and become part of an alliance between Hammerfell and Skyrim. It would most certainly be interesting if the Nords, Orcs, Bretons, and Redguards all fought together. 

      Maybe the newly-formed empire would be named the Northern Union or something of the likes. At this point, with the threat of attack from the Aldmeri Dominion at any time, the crumbling Mede Empire would be forced to ask for assistance from the "Northern Union". If the next game was focused on this time, the player would have the option of either aiding Cyrodiil or cutting the head off of the crumbling Empire.

      From here, the Dominion would attack Cyrodiil from Valenwood, Elsweyr, or Black Marsh. The Dominion armies would have to be destroyed, and the three provinces would have to be taken over. After this, Morrowind could be seen as a problem for some reason, and also have to be made into a part of the "Northern Union". After the mainland of Tamriel is taken over, the so-called Northern Union could be renamed the Tamrielic Union or something.

      Finally, only Summerset Isles would be left. There could possibly be an awesome naval battle before the player or whoever's armies arrive in Summerset Isles, and then there would be a climactic battle with the Thalmor soldiers.

      Of course, to make it all the more interesting if it were to be the plot of the next game (not TESO) or something, there would occasionally be uprisings and riots in Black Marsh, Valenwood, etc. Also, there could be random encounter Dominion war parties that attack you.

      Sorry if it's too long or anything, I just really think that a plot more centered around military action against the Dominion would be great.

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    • Black Marsh is not part of the Dominion, nor could any army but an Argonian army get through.Black Marsh will never join an alliance again.The An-Xileel are fiercely independant.It will probably become it's own empire.And probably the strongest one at that.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      Black Marsh is not part of the Dominion, nor could any army but an Argonian army get through.Black Marsh will never join an alliance again.The An-Xileel are fiercely independant.It will probably become it's own empire.And probably the strongest one at that.

      Ah! My mistake. Then it will have to be taken over :P

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    • The diseases, creatures, Argonians expert Guerilla warfare and the hist make it impossible to take over by force.Tiber Septim himself only made an alliance.Also, remember what the Argonians did to Morrowind?They did it in less then a month if I remember correctly.Nobody will ever conquer Black Marsh.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      The diseases, creatures, Argonians expert Guerilla warfare and the hist make it impossible to take over by force.Tiber Septim himself only made an alliance.Also, remember what the Argonians did to Morrowind?They did it in less then a month if I remember correctly.Nobody will ever conquer Black Marsh.

      Well. Black Marsh can be left alone lol.

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    • RavenRT wrote:

      Well. Black Marsh can be left alone lol.

      Yea.

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    • The canon ending? The Legion quells the Stormcloak Rebellion and finally can get back to what they were doing without having to worry about those nordic pests.

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      The canon ending? The Legion quells the Stormcloak Rebellion and finally can get back to what they were doing without having to worry about those nordic pests.


      Huzzah!

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    • Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Lord Hadron wrote:
      The canon ending? The Legion quells the Stormcloak Rebellion and finally can get back to what they were doing without having to worry about those nordic pests.

      Huzzah!

      And then Mehrunes Dagon has a tea party with the Dragonborn, discussing who his soul belongs to.

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    • And states the soul clause in which you may slaughter and make extinct any one race as if they never exsisted

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    • And then the Lilmothiit return.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Lord Hadron wrote:
      The canon ending? The Legion quells the Stormcloak Rebellion and finally can get back to what they were doing without having to worry about those nordic pests.

      Huzzah!
      And then Mehrunes Dagon has a tea party with the Dragonborn, discussing who his soul belongs to.

      Does the Dragonborn possess the value of a Divine or a Daedric Prince?

      Or am i simply another mortal pawn to the rulers of Oblivion?

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    • Dragon souls are technically divine.

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    • or in my ending the dragonborn time travels to a futuristic nirn, steals a nuke puts it on summerset isle, and BOOM!

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    • If the Altmer saw you arrive on Summerset Isle with a nuke, you'd be disintegrated in a second by their magic

      D
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    • with the entire imperial army (with breton soldiers) backing me up OH!

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    • With a large magical electrical barrier pretecting the whole of summerse- OH!

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    • many people think that because hammerfell stood against the dominion skyrim can do it no they cant the redguards are the best warriors skyrim has nothing they would be crushed 

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    • then beforehand the imperials liberated valenwood and morrowind- OH!

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    • Madman97 wrote:
      I do think that, to cause even more drama in the storyline, even Skyrim has been seperated from the empire, leaving only Cyrodil and Morrowind to fend for themselves against the evil Thalmor. Could be a cool story.


      If skyrim is seperated from the empire then there will be no morrowind to help the empire because a dark elf on solsthiem in the DB dlc says that the dark elves hate the empire like hell what i think will most likley happen if skyrim is made indipendent there will most likley be an aliance between the nords bretons (not the forsworn they are considered outcasts in normal breton society) and redguards and even possibly the dark elves because they all hate the empire and/or the dominion in some way and would see the empire and dominion as a great threat so they could very possibly end up making like a 4th era daggerfall covenant/ebonheart pact hybrid super thalmor killing alliance 

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      If the Altmer saw you arrive on Summerset Isle with a nuke, you'd be disintegrated in a second by their magic
      D

      they even might end up blowing up the nuke with the intense heat caused by their magic... ironic isn't it? :D

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    • 175.107.177.9 wrote:
      Lord Hadron wrote:
      If the Altmer saw you arrive on Summerset Isle with a nuke, you'd be disintegrated in a second by their magic:D
      they even might end up blowing up the nuke with the intense heat caused by their magic... ironic isn't it? :D

      You obviously know nothing about nuclear bombs.If that was real, every nuclear submarine in the world would explode.Especially the ones deep underwater.Nuclear bombs need to be set off, manually or remotely.

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    • 175.107.177.9 wrote:
      Lord Hadron wrote:
      If the Altmer saw you arrive on Summerset Isle with a nuke, you'd be disintegrated in a second by their magic:D
      they even might end up blowing up the nuke with the intense heat caused by their magic... ironic isn't it? :D

      That's the dumbest thing i ever read in the internet.

      I think the Stormcloak's side going to win,and then leave the empire in more shambles than it already is.Then,the Dominion rushes forward to control Skyrim and Cyrodiil,getting even more closer to reaching their mad dreams.

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    • Drakwind wrote:
      Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      Come on guy, Ulfric's a really nice guy who truely does care for his fellow Nords. He's not going to turn into some spiteful tyrant. As  for the Altmer, the Slorgs(I think thats what there called) can be paid to wipe them out if needed. Also the Argonians wouldn't go down without taking the Emipire with them so a war with them would be the last thing on their minds. But when push comes to shove I'm sure the Empire would revolt against the Dominion rather then just let them walk right over them,
      • Sloads, they were called.
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    • I don't think anyone is on good terms with the Empire anymore.

      1. They abandoned Hammerfell. Vilified by Redguards.

      2. They abandoned Morrowind. Vilified by Dunmer.

      3. They abandoned Talos. Vilified by Nords.

      4. They abandoned Orsinium. Vilified by (some) Orcs.

      5. Trade routes were cut off from High Rock. Cut off from Bretons, because you know how Bretons are with their trade routes xD

      6. Surrendered when they could have won. Sneered at by Bosmer, Khajiit and Altmer.

      See? Nobody likes the Empire but the Imperials.

      My guess is that the next Elder Scrolls game will be in a different province, and there will be no definite answer, just speculation. It could happen hundreds of years later, or right after, it doesn't really matter. Because what does Elsweyr/Valenwood/Alinor have to care about a war in the north? Might as well grab Robb Stark to replace Ulfric as King of the North.

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    • ^Except Robb Stark actually gives a shit about his people.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      ^Except Robb Stark actually gives a shit about his people.

      Oh yeah.But that's not the point.The point is that the empire i know and love is falling badly.Very badly.I think i'm gonna cry now.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      ^Except Robb Stark actually gives a shit about his people.
      Oh yeah.But that's not the point.The point is that the empire i know and love is falling badly.Very badly.I think i'm gonna cry now.

      So sad, but so true. The very foundations of the Imperial Empire have been destroyed. There is nothing left. The Empire died with Martin Septim.

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    • The only reason I go Empire (Because I'm a completionist.I usually stay away from the civil war.Neutrality n' shit.) is because the war started over Religion.And Ulfric is an ass.If it was something else that started and had a better leader for the stormcloaks, I would most likely join them.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      The only reason I go Empire (Because I'm a completionist.I usually stay away from the civil war.Neutrality n' shit.) is because the war started over Religion.And Ulfric is an ass.If it was something else that started and had a better leader for the stormcloaks, I would most likely join them.

      I joined the empire because i want Nords to f!ck themselves.Tamriel is perhaps living the darkest hour of all eras and all they care is their evil god of war.

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    • Yeah.I forgot to mention that.What race do you play as?I can never play as a nord.Too mainstream and I just hate them overall.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      The only reason I go Empire (Because I'm a completionist.I usually stay away from the civil war.Neutrality n' shit.) is because the war started over Religion.And Ulfric is an ass.If it was something else that started and had a better leader for the stormcloaks, I would most likely join them.

      You sound like my friend Devon. Ulfric isn't an ass. Have you not seen this yet? There's also part 2, 3 and another one on why the Imperials are wrong. If that won't convince you, check out the video too!

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    • I've seen it.It's bullshit spectulation.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      Yeah.I forgot to mention that.What race do you play as?I can never play as a nord.Too mainstream and I just hate them overall.

      I have always played as a Imperial or Khajiit,the ones i've judged to be the most civilized and rational.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      Yeah.I forgot to mention that.What race do you play as?I can never play as a nord.Too mainstream and I just hate them overall.

      I've completed the game twice, both with Nords. One time Stormcloak, one time Imperial. It just felt wrong to use another race for Skyrim. It felt like it was completely breaking the whole game by choosing another race. So I can never carry on for long without being a Nord. Of course, I've beat the main quest in Oblivion multiple times, with different races. Gotta try 'em all, POKEMON!

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    • ^Breaking the game?Wow.I play as Khajiit or Breton.Sometimes Imperial.

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    • SimonStormcloak wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      The only reason I go Empire (Because I'm a completionist.I usually stay away from the civil war.Neutrality n' shit.) is because the war started over Religion.And Ulfric is an ass.If it was something else that started and had a better leader for the stormcloaks, I would most likely join them.
      You sound like my friend Devon. Ulfric isn't an ass. Have you not seen this yet? There's also part 2, 3 and another one on why the Imperials are wrong. If that won't convince you, check out the video too!

      There's so more proof that the Stormcloaks are wrong on the comments.You just got to think about it.

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    • Skyrim is a part of the Empire?,Sorry but I haven't played Oblivion,Morrowind,Daggerfall And Arena,How is it a part of the Empire if it was Skyrim would've helped the imperials.I've also read that the Emperor of Cyrodiil Enforced the Treaty over Skyrim Thinking that Skyrim is a part of the empire if it is true,General Tulius and Jarl Ulfric Asshole owe Apologies to Alot of Respected People.And Then...The Thalmor Raid with Airship full of lightning bolts the Tulius and Asshole help each other to kill the Thalmor the dragonborn and his new abilty to recruit people who like him into an army of 20 people.They Travel to Tareks the New Thalmor Continent and wage a war the elven Invaders Run as the Dragonborn slaughters them the Khajiti mages oh the mages healing my troops,As the elves running in fear the thalmor Running back and then reduced into falmer betrayed by the trolls they turned and blind their senses inhanced but each time they came out they died leaving the Argonians Nords Khajit's Imperials Redguards Wood Elves and bretons then the blades return becoming the dragonborns additional size upgrade 15 more troops,The thalmor now resiistant to the suns effect and have learned the thu'um the Dragonborns return and the heroes of sovanguarde too they help defeat the Thalmor and the wood elves who sided with them the Dragon Alduin had turned into a sould he found a new vessel the vessel of the daedric lord of Mad Destruction SheDagon taught the falmer the Thu'um and turned them resistant the thalmor now slaughtering everything have owned a province the daedric lords sent their troops,The whole universe is at war than aliens who looked like humans called Sezask Helping the nords they are nearly extinct at the verge of the dragonborns death a child who helped slay a Dagon got the dagonssould and is now Dragonborn and Dagonborn with his new shouts Fus and Ses (Evaporate Hostile) He is now accompanied by the dragonborn to the greybeards and the DaggerDeaths to learn all the shouts THE WHOLE FKING THALMOR MADE EVERY RACE RUN TO THE SEZASK'S PLANET THE DRAGONBORN WITH HIS ARMY AND THE DAGON/DRAGON BORNGO VENTURING DESTROYING EVERYTHING HOSTILE THE WORLD TURNED GREY AND THEN THE DRAGON BORN DIED CYRODIIL ONLY ACCOMPAINED BY THE IMPERIALS AND DAGON/DRAGONBORN AND THE BORNSARMY REGAIN SKYRIM THROUGH NUMEROUS CAMPAIGNS THE RACES COME BACK TO HELP THE AEDRA NOW SEEING WHATS HAPPENED MAING THE WORLD LARGER TO PREVENT EACH OTHER TO REACH THE HOSTILE CAUSE OF A DEAL WITH SUW THE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE F THE ELDER SCROLLS NEVER TO HARD ANYONE THE AEDRA ARE DIEING BY LOSING THEIR POWER TO PREVENT EACCH OTHER FROM REACHING THE ENEMY AT LAST THE AKATOSH DIED AND THE DAEDRA VANISHEED MYSTERIOUSLY THE HERPO DRAGON/DAGON SHOUTS OUT THE THALORE FROM EVERYCITY TURNED THE LAND GREEN THE ARGONIANS THEIR SCALES NOW STRONGER THAN REINFORCED EBONY THE ARGONIONS ARE NOW SLAUGHTERING THE THALMOR TOO THE LAST THALMOR RESISTANCE ENCONTOURED THE AFALMER HELP THE THALMOR AND HAVE KILLED THE WHOLE ARGONIANS AND REDGUARDS THE WORLD NOW SO VAST THAT THEIR WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH EMPERORS TO FILL THE LAND THE DAGON/DRAGONBORN HAS DEFEATED THE FALMER LEADER GLUMLOOKER AND THE THALMOR LEADER ALDUN BUT NOW DEVOURING THE ALDUINS SOUL SAVED THE LAND AND THEN FINDS AN ARTIFACE AND IN ANGER WISHES TO RESTART EVERYTHING AND THEN EVERYTHING HAPPENS FROM CARACTER CREATION TO THE END!!!!!!!!!! DNAH DNAH DUH

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    • NEW DLC THE WORLDS UNDER WAR
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    • Um... uh... the logical fallacies and historical incorrectness is astounding.

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    • Hamsterlampglade
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      Drakwind wrote:
      Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      Come on guy, Ulfric's a really nice guy who truely does care for his fellow Nords. He's not going to turn into some spiteful tyrant. As  for the Altmer, the Slorgs(I think thats what there called) can be paid to wipe them out if needed. Also the Argonians wouldn't go down without taking the Emipire with them so a war with them would be the last thing on their minds. But when push comes to shove I'm sure the Empire would revolt against the Dominion rather then just let them walk right over them,

      Actually Ulfric is a tyrant who only wants to be the high king argonions wont rebel cause the imperials arent racist if you cant see where the WHLE FKING ARGONIANS ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE PAID THEN SIR YOU CAN JUST EAT MY SHREEEEEEEEEEEET

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    • Oh so wrong...

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    • One more stupid message from Knight of the Dovahkiin and I will delete all of his messages.You're spewing bullshit everywhere.

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    • Knight,you should lay off the Tree Sap.If not,someone gotta delete your crap.If not MoK,then me.

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    • Well, I'm on Moon Sugar right now, and I'm fine.

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    • P Just not used to story Telling
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    • Stormcloaks gonna rule skyrim, The Empire wont be able to have any connections with High  Rock so then High Rock will have civil war just like skyrim and the Breton rebels will win as by now The Empire is realy weak so The Empire will have controll over only Cyrodiil, Titus Mede gonna be assasinated by the DB that means that The Empire is going to by so weak that The Thalmor completly destroy it and rule Cyrodiil. Then The Thalmor take down Agonia so they now rule Black Marsh and Morrowind, by now the elves are unstoppable and try to take down Skyrim, Hammerfall and High Rock. Skyrim, Hammerfall and High Rock all join forces and fight a war between the Aldmeri Dominion resulting in The Second Great War. By now this is years ahead of the Skyrim Civil war. 

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    • Nobody will take over Argonia.The amount of diseases in there is unimaginable.And there are were-crocodiles.That is why I want the next game in Black Marsh.Or maybe Elseweyr for Werelions.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      Nobody will take over Argonia.The amount of diseases in there is unimaginable.And there are were-crocodiles.That is why I want the next game in Black Marsh.Or maybe Elseweyr for Werelions.


      Does EVERY continent in skyrim have a were- something?

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    • Yeah.

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    • Is there a list of them?

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    • This page .I'm not sure if Hammerfell has one actually, but Werewolves are in every province.

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    • Thanks.

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    • I personally think there are a few possibilites.. 1) There were many civil wars in Skyrim over time. The empire relised that losing skyrim would leave them very vulnerable to the Thalmor. Skyrim eventually wins independence and high rock gains it's indepence also. So, the Second Great War starts. Cyrodiil is taken do to it's weak state after large amounts of rebellion. Skyrim and High Rock are almost taken but unite at the last minute. they made the "Northen Union/Alliance" today, hammerfell is fighting the Thalmor but are having a hard time. The Northern Alliance is tring to purswade Hammerfell to join them. And you, the player, can help make hammerfell part of The union, or keep it's independence. This game then should take palce in hammerfell or a combonation of hammerfell and high rock. 2) The many civil wars happen and The empire wins in the end. But it is weakened. The thalmor then start the second great war to take advantage of the situatuion. because they are united, they are able to hold their own, barely. the war continues on. the kingdoms of Elsweyr are waring against each other. One wishes for independence with help from the empire, and the other, that is allied with the Aldmeri Dominion. You can support either side. this game should take place in either elsweyer, or both elsweyr and vallenwood, possibly Alinor. sorry if this sounded to much like an idea for the next game. My ideas for the next game largly involve the ending of the civil war.

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    • Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      Nobody will take over Argonia.The amount of diseases in there is unimaginable.And there are were-crocodiles.That is why I want the next game in Black Marsh.Or maybe Elseweyr for Werelions.

      Does EVERY continent in skyrim have a were- something?

      Yeah, Skyrim has were-caveman.

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      Nobody will take over Argonia.The amount of diseases in there is unimaginable.And there are were-crocodiles.That is why I want the next game in Black Marsh.Or maybe Elseweyr for Werelions.

      Does EVERY continent in skyrim have a were- something?
      Yeah, Skyrim has were-caveman.

      LOL!Cyrodill has were-merchants .Hammerfell has were-curved swords .

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      Lord Hadron wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      Nobody will take over Argonia.The amount of diseases in there is unimaginable.And there are were-crocodiles.That is why I want the next game in Black Marsh.Or maybe Elseweyr for Werelions.

      Does EVERY continent in skyrim have a were- something?
      Yeah, Skyrim has were-caveman.
      LOL!Cyrodill has were-merchants .Hammerfell has were-curved swords .

      ...And the Altmer have were-GODS!

      In other words... we, ARE GODS!!!

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      Lord Hadron wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      Nobody will take over Argonia.The amount of diseases in there is unimaginable.And there are were-crocodiles.That is why I want the next game in Black Marsh.Or maybe Elseweyr for Werelions.

      Does EVERY continent in skyrim have a were- something?
      Yeah, Skyrim has were-caveman.
      LOL!Cyrodill has were-merchants .Hammerfell has were-curved swords .
      ...And the Altmer have were-GODS!

      In other words... we, ARE GODS!!!

      Khajiit have were-J'zargo .That is an instant win.He annoys the shit out of my friends.J'zargo is actually the being that created Anu and Padomay.

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    • No, the Khajiit have were-house kittens. The ones that you just want to feed and cuddle all day long :D

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    • Oh yeah.J'zargo is an exception to that though.

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    • I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.



      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

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    • Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.



      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire

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    • Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire

      Stormcloack Victory=Free Skyrim/Weakened Empire. The Empire wouldn't of been destroyed just cause they lost Skyrim, and that's all the civil war was about.

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    • Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire

      Stormcloak victory=New Dragonblood Empire.

      Mede victory=End of Mundus.

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    • Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire

      Yes.Perfect for a new plot,sadly.If i were you, i would change my avatar.I want to kill you for it but i know this feeling is stupid,however there could be others that might not have the same decision.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Stormcloak victory=New Dragonblood Empire.

      Mede victory=End of Mundus.

      Except none of the stormcloaks have the dragonblood.

      And The Empire is the only nation with a standing army large enough to combat the AD.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloak victory=New Dragonblood Empire.

      Mede victory=End of Mundus.

      Stormcloak victory = Racism and arrogance, eventual end of world.And there will be no more Dragonblood empires.

      Mede Victory = United Cyrodiil, High Rock and Skyrim, possible invasion of Morrowind and alliance with Hammerfell, chance against AD.

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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloack Victory=Free Skyrim/Weakened Empire. The Empire wouldn't of been destroyed just cause they lost Skyrim, and that's all the civil war was about.

      The Dominon could and will sweep in and destroy the empire,if the stormcloaks happened to win.

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    • SajuukKhar wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Stormcloak victory=New Dragonblood Empire.

      Mede victory=End of Mundus.

      Except none of the stormcloaks have the dragonblood.

      And The Empire is the only nation with a standing army large enough to combat the AD.

      Dovahkiin would go to Cyrodiil after defeating Alduin and found a new Dragonblood dynasty.

      Not quite Stormcloak Dragonblood but close.


      How did that go the last time when the empire had an even bigger standing army?

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Flamedude22 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloack Victory=Free Skyrim/Weakened Empire. The Empire wouldn't of been destroyed just cause they lost Skyrim, and that's all the civil war was about.
      The Dominon could and will sweep in and destroy the empire,if the stormcloaks happened to win.

      Would they though?

      That is the question, they already own the empire de facto if not de jure.

      Seems like sweeping in and destroying it would be unnecessary.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:

      Dovahkiin would go to Cyrodiil after defeating Alduin and found a new Dragonblood dynasty.

      Not quite Stormcloak Dragonblood but close.


      How did that go the last time when the empire had an even bigger standing army?

      No he wouldnt. It is the mythic destiny of all great heros to vanish. Not to mention the ENTIRE point of Oblivion was to end the line of dragonborn kings forever by removing the dragonfires, and replacing it with the statue of akatosh.


      Last time the Empire was attacked it didnt have a larger army, and had no diea it was going to be attacked.

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloak victory=New Dragonblood Empire.

      Mede victory=End of Mundus.

      Stormcloak victory = Racism and arrogance, eventual end of world.And there will be no more Dragonblood empires.

      Mede Victory = United Cyrodiil, High Rock and Skyrim, possible invasion of Morrowind and alliance with Hammerfell, chance against AD.

      I envy your imagination, that's some wild fantasy.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloak victory=New Dragonblood Empire.

      Mede victory=End of Mundus.

      Stormcloak victory = Racism and arrogance, eventual end of world.And there will be no more Dragonblood empires.

      Mede Victory = United Cyrodiil, High Rock and Skyrim, possible invasion of Morrowind and alliance with Hammerfell, chance against AD.

      I envy your imagination, that's some wild fantasy.

      Look in a mirror bro.

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    • Seeing that two quest lines weaken the Empire: Stormcloak and Dark Brotherhood, I'd have to say the Stormcloaks won, but they'd have to make it make sense no matter if you chose Stormcloak or Imperial. Maybe something like this:

      The Emperor, Titus Mede II was mysteriously assinated. To end the bloodshed of his own people, his succsesor handed Skyrim to the Stormcloaks, the Thalmor were not pleased. These events triggered the second great war, Nords and Imperials fought once more as brothers, this time the Aldmeri Dominion fell. This invulentarily triggered the persecution of High Elves for decades. The White-Gold Concordant was burned. But, Jarl Ulfric had fallen bravely in battle, his succsesor wanted no more tension between Skyrim and the Empire, and allowed Skyrim to be annexed under certaint conditions. 

      50 years later: The Summerset Isles are a shadow of their former selves, the empire controls them with an iron fist, millitant brutality, and angry memories haunt them.. 

      The Elder Scrolls: Summerset

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    • SajuukKhar wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:

      Dovahkiin would go to Cyrodiil after defeating Alduin and found a new Dragonblood dynasty.

      Not quite Stormcloak Dragonblood but close.


      How did that go the last time when the empire had an even bigger standing army?

      No he wouldnt. It is the mythic destiny of all great heros to vanish. Not to mention the ENTIRE point of Oblivion was to end the line of dragonborn kings forever by removing the dragonfires, and replacing it with the statue of akatosh.


      Last time the Empire was attacked it didnt have a larger army, and had no diea it was going to be attacked.

      Why?

      In the Great War?

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Man of steak wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloak victory=New Dragonblood Empire.

      Mede victory=End of Mundus.

      Stormcloak victory = Racism and arrogance, eventual end of world.And there will be no more Dragonblood empires.

      Mede Victory = United Cyrodiil, High Rock and Skyrim, possible invasion of Morrowind and alliance with Hammerfell, chance against AD.

      I envy your imagination, that's some wild fantasy.
      Look in a mirror bro.

      Funny thing is, I already am...

      Nope, no likeness there.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Why?

      In the Great War?

      So that Bethesda never has to directly confirm the race/gender/actions of the hero, so that everyone's character can be correct.


      Yeah, in the great war, the Empire didn't know it was going to be attacked. The AD launch the Tamriel equivilent of the german blitzkrieg on Hammerfell, and then Cyrodiil.

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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      Seeing that two quest lines weaken the Empire: Stormcloak and Dark Brotherhood, I'd have to say the Stormcloaks won, but they'd have to make it make sense no matter if you chose Stormcloak or Imperial. Maybe something like this:

      The Emperor, Titus Mede II was mysteriously assinated. To end the bloodshed of his own people, his succsesor handed Skyrim to the Stormcloaks, the Thalmor were not pleased. These events triggered the second great war, Nords and Imperials fought once more as brothers, this time the Aldmeri Dominion fell. This invulentarily triggered the persecution of High Elves for decades. The White-Gold Concordant was burned. But, Jarl Ulfric had fallen bravely in battle, his succsesor wanted no more tension between Skyrim and the Empire, and allowed Skyrim to be annexed under certaint conditions. 

      50 years later: The Summerset Isles are a shadow of their former selves, the empire controls them with an iron fist, millitant brutality, and angry memories haunt them.. 

      The Elder Scrolls: Summerset

      The Dominon,falling?By the hands of our dear weakened empire?

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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      Seeing that two quest lines weaken the Empire: Stormcloak and Dark Brotherhood, I'd have to say the Stormcloaks won, but they'd have to make it make sense no matter if you chose Stormcloak or Imperial. Maybe something like this:

      The Emperor, Titus Mede II was mysteriously assinated. To end the bloodshed of his own people, his succsesor handed Skyrim to the Stormcloaks, the Thalmor were not pleased. These events triggered the second great war, Nords and Imperials fought once more as brothers, this time the Aldmeri Dominion fell. This invulentarily triggered the persecution of High Elves for decades. The White-Gold Concordant was burned. But, Jarl Ulfric had fallen bravely in battle, his succsesor wanted no more tension between Skyrim and the Empire, and allowed Skyrim to be annexed under certaint conditions. 

      50 years later: The Summerset Isles are a shadow of their former selves, the empire controls them with an iron fist, millitant brutality, and angry memories haunt them.. 

      The Elder Scrolls: Summerset

      Oh gods, that is beautitful.

      I could live with that even if it isn't quite how I think it would/will go down.

      I could live with it just fine.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Flamedude22 wrote:
      Seeing that two quest lines weaken the Empire: Stormcloak and Dark Brotherhood, I'd have to say the Stormcloaks won, but they'd have to make it make sense no matter if you chose Stormcloak or Imperial. Maybe something like this:

      The Emperor, Titus Mede II was mysteriously assinated. To end the bloodshed of his own people, his succsesor handed Skyrim to the Stormcloaks, the Thalmor were not pleased. These events triggered the second great war, Nords and Imperials fought once more as brothers, this time the Aldmeri Dominion fell. This invulentarily triggered the persecution of High Elves for decades. The White-Gold Concordant was burned. But, Jarl Ulfric had fallen bravely in battle, his succsesor wanted no more tension between Skyrim and the Empire, and allowed Skyrim to be annexed under certaint conditions. 

      50 years later: The Summerset Isles are a shadow of their former selves, the empire controls them with an iron fist, millitant brutality, and angry memories haunt them.. 

      The Elder Scrolls: Summerset

      Oh gods, that is beautitful.

      I could live with that even if it isn't quite how I think it would/will go down.

      I could live with it just fine.

      Also with the added caveat that the Altmer/Mer are kept down for all forseeable future, reinstating the Alessian Order/Empire could help in that regard.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Flamedude22 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloack Victory=Free Skyrim/Weakened Empire. The Empire wouldn't of been destroyed just cause they lost Skyrim, and that's all the civil war was about.
      The Dominon could and will sweep in and destroy the empire,if the stormcloaks happened to win.

      No they wouldn't. The Empire is their puppet! It's completely under their control! It would be stupid if they did. Killing off an army that's ready to do your bidding, is pretty dumb.

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    • SajuukKhar wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Why?

      In the Great War?

      So that Bethesda never has to directly confirm the race/gender/actions of the hero, so that everyone's character can be correct.


      Yeah, in the great war, the Empire didn't know it was going to be attacked. The AD launch the Tamriel equivilent of the german blitzkrieg on Hammerfell, and then Cyrodiil.

      They haven't?

      http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Dragonborn

      180px-Dovahkiin_%28dragonborn%29.jpg

      "Skyrim's trailers and concept art depict the Dragonborn as a male Nord with brown hair and a short beard"


      And I'm fairly certain we can take for granted that Alduin is stopped.

      Also they could just say a new Dragonblood dynasty was created then and not who created it.


      Sure, but were the AD forces larger?

      I very much doubt it.

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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Flamedude22 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloack Victory=Free Skyrim/Weakened Empire. The Empire wouldn't of been destroyed just cause they lost Skyrim, and that's all the civil war was about.
      The Dominon could and will sweep in and destroy the empire,if the stormcloaks happened to win.
      No they wouldn't. The Empire is their puppet! It's completely under their control! It would be stupid if they did. Killing off an army that's ready to do your bidding, is pretty dumb.

      Very much true.

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      No they wouldn't. The Empire is their puppet! It's completely under their control! It would be stupid if they did. Killing off an army that's ready to do your bidding, is pretty dumb.

      Becuase building up your entire army, in such a manner as to negate the advantage your "enemy" had the last time, while systematically denying the "rulers" as many options to do fuck all with thier treaty powers = puppets?


      The Empire has done almost nothing but give the AD the bird for the last 3 decades, while prepairing to give them a bigger bird by sending thier armies to ram their massive spears up the Ad's bums.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      1. They haven't?

      2. And I'm fairly certain we can take for granted that Alduin is stopped.

      3. Also they could just say a new Dragonblood dynasty was created then and not who created it.

      4. Sure, but were the AD forces larger?

      1. I pray that your joking......... Bethesda used a male imperial warrior in the promotional artwork for Oblivion, and a male dunmer for Morrowind, and yet, neither of them are canon, that just the default design they use when marketing.

      2. Again, I do hope you are joking....... OFC the main quest is done....... I was talking about side quests.

      3. there is no one alive with the dragonblood except the dragonborn, and again, making a new dragonborn empire owuld negate the entire point of Oblviion's plot.

      4. Yes actually they were.

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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Flamedude22 wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Prof Dandruff wrote:
      I believe that the Stormcloaks won, despite most of my characters either being Imperials, Bretons, or Elves.


      It just makes for a better story leading up to a new Elder Scrolls game.

      Stormcloak Victory=No more empire
      Stormcloack Victory=Free Skyrim/Weakened Empire. The Empire wouldn't of been destroyed just cause they lost Skyrim, and that's all the civil war was about.
      The Dominon could and will sweep in and destroy the empire,if the stormcloaks happened to win.
      No they wouldn't. The Empire is their puppet! It's completely under their control! It would be stupid if they did. Killing off an army that's ready to do your bidding, is pretty dumb.

      Under their control?!Where in Oblivion did you get this info?!Just because the Dominion was able to dictate how they live their lives,doesn't mean they can control anyone's army!At least anyone not a mer!I still want to see the Dominion making Valenwood getting mobilized!

      Well,at least when they don't use Illusion magic.

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    • SajuukKhar wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      1. They haven't?

      2. And I'm fairly certain we can take for granted that Alduin is stopped.

      3. Also they could just say a new Dragonblood dynasty was created then and not who created it.

      4. Sure, but were the AD forces larger?

      1. I pray that your joking......... Bethesda used a male imperial warrior in the promotional artwork for Oblivion, and a male dunmer for Morrowind, and yet, neither of them are canon, that just the default design they use when marketing.

      2. Again, I do hope you are joking....... OFC the main quest is done....... I was talking about side quests.

      3. there is no one alive with the dragonblood except the dragonborn, and again, making a new dragonborn empire owuld negate the entire point of Oblviion's plot.

      4. Yes actually they were.

      1 Were is the statement that those aren't canon?

      2 Just making sure.

      3 That particular plot could use fixing.

      4 Sorry but source?

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      1 Were is the statement that those aren't canon?

      3 That particular plot could use fixing.

      4 Sorry but source?

      1. The fact that bethesda has never said what the gender/race/actions outside the MQ of any game's heros are?

      3. No it couldn't. Its fine the way it is.

      4. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Loading_Screens_%28Skyrim%29

      "Only by signing the peace treaty known as the White-Gold Concordat was the Empire able to survive the onslaught of the high elven Aldmeri Dominion, and thus end the Great War."

      the AD's army was vastly better equired then The Empire.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      SajuukKhar wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Why?

      In the Great War?

      So that Bethesda never has to directly confirm the race/gender/actions of the hero, so that everyone's character can be correct.


      Yeah, in the great war, the Empire didn't know it was going to be attacked. The AD launch the Tamriel equivilent of the german blitzkrieg on Hammerfell, and then Cyrodiil.

      They haven't?

      http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Dragonborn

      180px-Dovahkiin_%28dragonborn%29.jpg

      "Skyrim's trailers and concept art depict the Dragonborn as a male Nord with brown hair and a short beard"


      And I'm fairly certain we can take for granted that Alduin is stopped.

      Also they could just say a new Dragonblood dynasty was created then and not who created it.


      Sure, but were the AD forces larger?

      I very much doubt it.

      I wish I could be as ignorant as you.

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    • SajuukKhar wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      1 Were is the statement that those aren't canon?

      3 That particular plot could use fixing.

      4 Sorry but source?

      1. The fact that bethesda has never said what the gender/race/actions outside the MQ of any game's heros are?

      3. No it couldn't. Its fine the way it is.

      4. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Loading_Screens_%28Skyrim%29

      "Only by signing the peace treaty known as the White-Gold Concordat was the Empire able to survive the onslaught of the high elven Aldmeri Dominion, and thus end the Great War."

      the AD's army was vastly better equired then The Empire.

      1They haven't?

      News to me.

      3 Well I would agree if the Empire had died then and there since that's the only way the plotline makes sense.

      Can't eat the cake and keep it you know.

      There can't be a Dragonblood Empire without a Dragonblood Emperor.

      4 But that line is patentedly false as evidenced by the fact that the AD couldn't threaten Cyrodiil anymore by the light of their failure to hold Hammerfell.

      Also better equipped doesn't mean their army was bigger which was what you were saying.

      And the line doesn't even say that the AD's army was better equipped.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      1They haven't?

      3 Well I would agree if the Empire had died then and there since that's the only way the plotline makes sense.

      4 But that line is patentedly false as evidenced by the fact that the AD couldn't threaten Cyrodiil anymore by the light of their failure to hold Hammerfell.

      Also better equipped doesn't mean their army was bigger which was what you were saying.

      And the line doesn't even say that the AD's army was better equipped.

      1. None of the books in TES games that mention past heroes ever specify a gender or race.

      3. The Empire did die..... and then Mede made a new one. Have you played Skyrim at all?

      4. Except

      A. The AD COULD have held Hammerfell, they chose not to in order to focus on the next great war with Cyrodiil.

      B. Had Titus Mede contiued the war it would have turned into a war of attrition, one the Empire would lose becuase they would eaither have to divert many of thier troops in order to rebuild Cyrodiil, or ry to fight the AD with destroyed supply lines, whereas the AD's lands were untouched by the war.

      and yes that line does say the AD's army was bigger/better equiped, if it wasn't, there wouldn't have been an "onslaught" it would have been a fiarly even match, which it wasn't.

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    • SajuukKhar wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      1They haven't?

      3 Well I would agree if the Empire had died then and there since that's the only way the plotline makes sense.

      4 But that line is patentedly false as evidenced by the fact that the AD couldn't threaten Cyrodiil anymore by the light of their failure to hold Hammerfell.

      Also better equipped doesn't mean their army was bigger which was what you were saying.

      And the line doesn't even say that the AD's army was better equipped.

      1. None of the books in TEs games that mention past heroes ever specify a gender or race.

      3. The Empire did die..... have you played skyrim at all?

      4. Excpet

      A. The AD COULD have held Hammerfell, they chose not to in order to focus on Cyrodiil

      B. Had Titus Mede contiued the war it would have turned into a war of attrition, one the Empire would lose becuase they would eaither have to divert many of thier troops in order to rebuild Cyrodiil, or ry to fight the AD with destroyed supply lines, whereas the AD's lands were untouched by the war.

      1 They wouldn't need to mention anything like that to say a new Dragonblood line had been created.

      It could simply be a grandchild or something of Dovahkiin creating it then.

      3 Then why do people keep claiming that the Stormcloaks are rebelling against the Empire Talos created?

      I do agree the Empire died, and yeah played most of them.

      A Do you have evidence that they could have taken Hammerfell but chose not to?

      Any at all?

      It's not in the game at any rate.

      B No, the mede empire really wouldn't.

      The Dominion were in no condition to press on, they were as devasted as the empire.

      If what you are saying were true, the AD must have the most stupid leaders in the history of anything.

      So, the Dominion gained nothing from the war nor the treaty then?

      It was all for lulz?

      And they could have easily crushed the mede empire and fulfilled their ultimate goals right then and there and chosed not to for literally no reason at all?

      Snap Thalmor are stupid if that is true.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      1 They wouldn't need to mention anything like that to say a new Dragonblood line had been created.

      2. It could simply be a grandchild or something of Dovahkiin creating it then.

      3 Then why do people keep claiming that the Stormcloaks are rebelling against the Empire Talos created?

      4. Do you have evidence that they could have taken Hammerfell but chose not to?

      5. No, the mede empire really wouldn't. 6. So, the Dominion gained nothing from the war nor the treaty then?

      It was all for lulz?

      7. And they could have easily crushed the mede empire and fulfilled their ultimate goals right then and there and chosed not to for literally no reason at all?

      1. Except they would since the Dragonborn is the only remaining person with the dragonblood, and one does not become emperor and then have everyoene magically forget your race/gender.

      2. also, dragonblood is not passed through bloodlines, its a gift from akatosh.

      3. Becuase Mede's empire was built upon many of the same laws/traditions as the Septim's.

      4. A. Yes actually. The Thalmor's focus on Cyrodiil is known, and taking the treaty allows them to get out of Hammerfell, a largely useless piece of land, with the fewest spent resoruces as possible. which allows them to focus on Cyrodiil.

      the thalmor are equal to The Empire in terms of strength, and the empire oculd retake Hammerfell if it wasnted to.

      5. Except that the Aldmeri Dominion's lands were untouched by the war.

      Both the Empire and AD had equal reaming forces, but the AD had a vast upperhand in that, unlike cyrodiil whose towns were all pretty much saked/destoryed, they had perfect supply lines, since the war never touched thier lands. Titus Mede knew this, and that is why HE sued for peace.

      The AD accepted becuase it would be stupid to contiue fighting an enemy who has already surrendered. Pressing on the attack would have been idioitc, espcially when they would end up "ruling" either way.

      6. The AD gained rulership over The Empire, and the ability to spy on it from the insde without even having to hide, a far greater prize then barren desert that is Hammerfell.

      7. The Ad's goal is unknown, all we have is some Kirkbride speuclation, but nothing in-game has confirmed it, and Bethesda' doesnt always follow Kirkbride to the letter.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      SajuukKhar wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      1They haven't?

      3 Well I would agree if the Empire had died then and there since that's the only way the plotline makes sense.

      4 But that line is patentedly false as evidenced by the fact that the AD couldn't threaten Cyrodiil anymore by the light of their failure to hold Hammerfell.

      Also better equipped doesn't mean their army was bigger which was what you were saying.

      And the line doesn't even say that the AD's army was better equipped.

      1. None of the books in TEs games that mention past heroes ever specify a gender or race.

      3. The Empire did die..... have you played skyrim at all?

      4. Excpet

      A. The AD COULD have held Hammerfell, they chose not to in order to focus on Cyrodiil

      B. Had Titus Mede contiued the war it would have turned into a war of attrition, one the Empire would lose becuase they would eaither have to divert many of thier troops in order to rebuild Cyrodiil, or ry to fight the AD with destroyed supply lines, whereas the AD's lands were untouched by the war.

      1 They wouldn't need to mention anything like that to say a new Dragonblood line had been created.

      It could simply be a grandchild or something of Dovahkiin creating it then.

      3 Then why do people keep claiming that the Stormcloaks are rebelling against the Empire Talos created?

      I do agree the Empire died, and yeah played most of them.

      A Do you have evidence that they could have taken Hammerfell but chose not to?

      Any at all?

      It's not in the game at any rate.

      B No, the mede empire really wouldn't.

      The Dominion were in no condition to press on, they were as devasted as the empire.

      If what you are saying were true, the AD must have the most stupid leaders in the history of anything.

      So, the Dominion gained nothing from the war nor the treaty then?

      It was all for lulz?

      And they could have easily crushed the mede empire and fulfilled their ultimate goals right then and there and chosed not to for literally no reason at all?

      Snap Thalmor are stupid if that is true.

      1. it would definitely say something about the race of the dovahkin, if he were to be related to an emperor there is no way that he would NOT go down in history, that also includes who the Dovahkiin Married, any children he may have had, it would put him in a position that would insure he stays within recorded history.

      3. because they don't care that it's not his empire, just that it's a cyrodilic empire.

      4. Actually, the Empire wiped out the bulk of their forces when retaking the white-gold tower; so AFTER the war they had equal or less than the amount of forces that the empire had, the White-Gold Concordant favored the AD much more because of this.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:


      1. it would definitely say something about the race of the dovahkin, if he were to be related to an emperor there is no way that he would NOT go down in history, that also includes who the Dovahkiin Married, any children he may have had, it would put him in a position that would insure he stays within recorded history.

      3. because they don't care that it's not his empire, just that it's a cyrodilic empire.

      4. Actually, the Empire wiped out the bulk of their forces when retaking the white-gold tower; so AFTER the war they had equal or less than the amount of forces that the empire had, the White-Gold Concordant favored the AD much more because of this.

      1 I guess, still don't think it's necessary but whatever.

      3 True.

      4 So then you agree the Dominion's victory wasn't assured?

      Titus II could have held on?


      But the AD still didn't really care about the treaty favoring them?

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:

      Pink Slim wrote:


      1. it would definitely say something about the race of the dovahkin, if he were to be related to an emperor there is no way that he would NOT go down in history, that also includes who the Dovahkiin Married, any children he may have had, it would put him in a position that would insure he stays within recorded history.

      3. because they don't care that it's not his empire, just that it's a cyrodilic empire.

      4. Actually, the Empire wiped out the bulk of their forces when retaking the white-gold tower; so AFTER the war they had equal or less than the amount of forces that the empire had, the White-Gold Concordant favored the AD much more because of this.

      1 I guess, still don't think it's necessary but whatever.

      3 True.

      4 So then you agree the Dominion's victory wasn't assured?

      Titus II could have held on?


      But the AD still didn't really care about the treaty favoring them?

      It is believed by many that the empire could have won out, though it is not known for sure; most if not all Stormcloaks also believe he could have held on.

      and The AD did care about the Treaty favoring them, that's kind of the only reason they agreed to it, they're using the treaty to enter the Empire, abducting people that they deem as possible threats in the next war, and removing them with the law that says they can do this if they are speculated to worship talos.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:

      Pink Slim wrote:


      1. it would definitely say something about the race of the dovahkin, if he were to be related to an emperor there is no way that he would NOT go down in history, that also includes who the Dovahkiin Married, any children he may have had, it would put him in a position that would insure he stays within recorded history.

      3. because they don't care that it's not his empire, just that it's a cyrodilic empire.

      4. Actually, the Empire wiped out the bulk of their forces when retaking the white-gold tower; so AFTER the war they had equal or less than the amount of forces that the empire had, the White-Gold Concordant favored the AD much more because of this.

      1 I guess, still don't think it's necessary but whatever.

      3 True.

      4 So then you agree the Dominion's victory wasn't assured?

      Titus II could have held on?


      But the AD still didn't really care about the treaty favoring them?

      It is believed by many that the empire could have won out, though it is not known for sure; most if not all Stormcloaks also believe he could have held on.

      and The AD did care about the Treaty favoring them, that's kind of the only reason they agreed to it, they're using the treaty to enter the Empire, abducting people that they deem as possible threats in the next war, and removing them with the law that says they can do this if they are speculated to worship talos.

      Evidence sure seem to point to that they could have held out for better terms or kept on with a phony war.


      Well, ok then.

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    • Here's what happens: The Second Great War starts (I don't care how, it just will) and all sides are weakened. Suddenly, the Dwemer return from whatever plane of existance they were in and take over. The gods and daedra are abandoned, but not forgotten (the Dwemer are atheists), and worshipping them is allowed, but looked down upon. The Dwemer form a democracy in Tamriel where all races are given a chance to decide their futures.

      P.S. If you bring up the thing about the Dwemer destroying the Snow Elves, it's because they were so powerful and the saw the chance to eliminate an overpowered race.

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    • Looking back, I now have a new theory.

      After a while, the Dunmer will invade Black Marsh as retaliation for their previous raids. A big war will start, but the Empire will be too weak to help. The whole continent will be unstable, and the shambles of an Empire will retreat to Cyrodiil, leaving everyone else to themselves.

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    • The Sload will make it the Cannon ending to the war *Sad trumpet noise*

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    • Honestly, though, I don't think any race deserves to become an empire in Tamriel. It would be best if the Dwemer returned.

      Also, I have confirmed that they are a democratic race. In Blackreach, there is an assembly hall, where they had meetings to solve the everyday problems that occured. Vote boxes could be seen on the tables on the side of the hall. Therefore, DEMOCRACY! POWER TO THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!

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    • 99.27.82.82 wrote:
      Honestly, though, I don't think any race deserves to become an empire in Tamriel. It would be best if the Dwemer returned.

      Also, I have confirmed that they are a democratic race. In Blackreach, there is an assembly hall, where they had meetings to solve the everyday problems that occured. Vote boxes could be seen on the tables on the side of the hall. Therefore, DEMOCRACY! POWER TO THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!

      Exept if you live in America where it's POWER FOR THE ELITE, POWER BY THE ELITE, LIES BY THE ELITE... Oh.. Wait.. That's Communism..... No.. I'm right...

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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      99.27.82.82 wrote:
      Honestly, though, I don't think any race deserves to become an empire in Tamriel. It would be best if the Dwemer returned.

      Also, I have confirmed that they are a democratic race. In Blackreach, there is an assembly hall, where they had meetings to solve the everyday problems that occured. Vote boxes could be seen on the tables on the side of the hall. Therefore, DEMOCRACY! POWER TO THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!

      Exept if you live in America where it's POWER FOR THE ELITE, POWER BY THE ELITE, LIES BY THE ELITE... Oh.. Wait.. That's Communism..... No.. I'm right...


      Flamedude... *Goes down on one knee* will you do me the honor of making me the happiest Hamster Daedra in the world *Produces Ebony and Ruby ring*

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    • Hamsterlampglade wrote:
      Flamedude22 wrote:
      99.27.82.82 wrote:
      Honestly, though, I don't think any race deserves to become an empire in Tamriel. It would be best if the Dwemer returned.

      Also, I have confirmed that they are a democratic race. In Blackreach, there is an assembly hall, where they had meetings to solve the everyday problems that occured. Vote boxes could be seen on the tables on the side of the hall. Therefore, DEMOCRACY! POWER TO THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!

      Exept if you live in America where it's POWER FOR THE ELITE, POWER BY THE ELITE, LIES BY THE ELITE... Oh.. Wait.. That's Communism..... No.. I'm right...

      Flamedude... *Goes down on one knee* will you do me the honor of making me the happiest Hamster Daedra in the world *Produces Ebony and Ruby ring*

      AMERICA! &%#@ YEAH!!!!!!!!!!

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    • God bless 'Merica we have enough food to feed the world and yet we don't!

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    • Hamsterlampglade wrote:
      The Sload will make it the Cannon ending to the war *Sad trumpet noise*

      Since they have the biological weapon thingy, I'd say yes. *dun dun dun*

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    • Flamedude22 wrote:
      99.27.82.82 wrote:
      Honestly, though, I don't think any race deserves to become an empire in Tamriel. It would be best if the Dwemer returned.

      Also, I have confirmed that they are a democratic race. In Blackreach, there is an assembly hall, where they had meetings to solve the everyday problems that occured. Vote boxes could be seen on the tables on the side of the hall. Therefore, DEMOCRACY! POWER TO THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!

      Exept if you live in America where it's POWER FOR THE ELITE, POWER BY THE ELITE, LIES BY THE ELITE... Oh.. Wait.. That's Communism..... No.. I'm right...

      That's Fascism, the far-right, as in "rich people's government".

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    • Man of steak wrote:
      And then the Lilmothiit return.

      I can't even begin to explain how much I want this to happen! I want it more than I want the return of the Dwemer, or Falmer (the non-feral kind), or the Psijics. My guess is that they are hiding in either Elsweyr or Valenwood, if they are still alive.

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    • OH IDEA!

      What if for Elder Scrolls 6 (Set in Summerset Isle or Elsweyr or the Mainland of Morrowind maybe) You play as a Anti-Dominion rebel (NOTE: Set after Skyrim) and you work for the underground ran by none other then the Neravrine! Who has returned from Akavir to find Tamriel all scrwed up from when it was in the Third era and starts to undermine the Thalmor!

      An Elder Scrolls 3 fanboy can dream.

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    • I reckon the next game that is post skyrim will have a character import like dragon age, what ever happned in your skyrim game is picked up in the import and put in the next game, such as the victor of the war, the fate of the dawnguard and volkihar vampires, the dark brotherhood etc.

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    • GreasySweet500 wrote:
      OH IDEA!

      What if for Elder Scrolls 6 (Set in Summerset Isle or Elsweyr or the Mainland of Morrowind maybe) You play as a Anti-Dominion rebel (NOTE: Set after Skyrim) and you work for the underground ran by none other then the Neravrine! Who has returned from Akavir to find Tamriel all scrwed up from when it was in the Third era and starts to undermine the Thalmor!

      An Elder Scrolls 3 fanboy can dream.

      That would be amazing! The problem is that everybody's Nerevarine was different, and they couldn't do that without pissing everyone off :/

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    • Hydra-Hok wrote:
      I reckon the next game that is post skyrim will have a character import like dragon age, what ever happned in your skyrim game is picked up in the import and put in the next game, such as the victor of the war, the fate of the dawnguard and volkihar vampires, the dark brotherhood etc.

      That would be a good way to go about it. It would take a ton more writing on the developer's part, but it would definitely be awesome. They would also have to do it for every game after that, and the extra work could take away from the quality of the story a bit.

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    • Trevor the Grunt wrote:
      Something tells me the player's actions during the conflict will turn out to be inconsequential. 

      Two scenarios seem likely. 

      One: The Dominion, having regained it's strength, will win, and launch a subsequent campaign of oppression (slavery, genocide, the whole nine yards), with nothing but scattered rebels in their way setting the stage for the sixth game. Dystopian elements.

      Two: All three powers wear down from the fighting and eventually collapse into lawlessness and despotism,  but at the same time, innovation (survival is the mother of invention) also setting the stage for another game (Darkest of the two, there's no grand adventure, no glory to be had, you do your best to come out at the top of the food chain). 

      I have to say, after becoming addicted to Fallout 3 and Fallout NV after playing Oblivion, I like your second Idea a lot better. But instead of complete choatic lawless-ness I think they would still need to keep some sort of system for gameplay purposes. Basically there has to be people in charge you can do quests for and earn the favor of.

      My vote would be for something similar to the Jarls in Skyrim. But they would be more like warlords who control different regions. Different warlords with their own armies (none of them to big to keep them balanced), each warlord and his/her corrosponding army would have unique armor and weapon styles and battle tactics, cultures and laws. Fighting for territory and money and honor and what have you. 

      You as the player could become allied with certain factions, and help create or destroy alliances between factions. Helping to expand/take territory, increasing safety of travel in allied areas. Bosting the economy for a faction, based on the more safe territory and secure trade routes said faction controls. Maybe even helping to create alliances so strong that two factions could merge territories. It would have to be in a way that would make it impossible to join/help every faction, that way there's a heavy emphasis on your choices in allies and who you decide to befriend or piss off. And it would deffinately be impossible to not make quite a few enemies. All that would also do a lot for replayability.

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    • ZakMarcus wrote:
      Trevor the Grunt wrote:
      Something tells me the player's actions during the conflict will turn out to be inconsequential. 

      Two scenarios seem likely. 

      One: The Dominion, having regained it's strength, will win, and launch a subsequent campaign of oppression (slavery, genocide, the whole nine yards), with nothing but scattered rebels in their way setting the stage for the sixth game. Dystopian elements.

      Two: All three powers wear down from the fighting and eventually collapse into lawlessness and despotism,  but at the same time, innovation (survival is the mother of invention) also setting the stage for another game (Darkest of the two, there's no grand adventure, no glory to be had, you do your best to come out at the top of the food chain). 

      I have to say, after becoming addicted to Fallout 3 and Fallout NV after playing Oblivion, I like your second Idea a lot better. But instead of complete choatic lawless-ness I think they would still need to keep some sort of system for gameplay purposes. Basically there has to be people in charge you can do quests for and earn the favor of.

      My vote would be for something similar to the Jarls in Skyrim. But they would be more like warlords who control different regions. Different warlords with their own armies (none of them to big to keep them balanced), each warlord and his/her corrosponding army would have unique armor and weapon styles and battle tactics, cultures and laws. Fighting for territory and money and honor and what have you. 

      You as the player could become allied with certain factions, and help create or destroy alliances between factions. Helping to expand/take territory, increasing safety of travel in allied areas. Bosting the economy for a faction, based on the more safe territory and secure trade routes said faction controls. Maybe even helping to create alliances so strong that two factions could merge territories. It would have to be in a way that would make it impossible to join/help every faction, that way there's a heavy emphasis on your choices in allies and who you decide to befriend or piss off. And it would deffinately be impossible to not make quite a few enemies. All that would also do a lot for replayability.

      This might be the best idea yet. I really like the idea of several different factions. It would really make the game seem so much bigger if you have around 9 different factions that you can choose to help or destroy. I think that it would be great to be set it maybe Valenwood or Elsweyr, with the game mostly focusing on the collapse of the current empire and the collapse of the Aldmeri Dominion. 

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    • I think Elsweyr would be the best choice since it has the most varied geography

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    • GreasySweet500 wrote:
      I think Elsweyr would be the best choice since it has the most varied geography

      Elsweyr would be near impossible to do, due to Bethesda not having the time or budget to make all 17 foms of Khajiit, on top of all the other 9 races, on top of all the monsters.

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    • SajuukKhar wrote:
      GreasySweet500 wrote:
      I think Elsweyr would be the best choice since it has the most varied geography
      Elsweyr would be near impossible to do, due to Bethesda not having the time or budget to make all 17 foms of Khajiit, on top of all the other 9 races, on top of all the monsters.

      Wouldn't the different types of Khajit just be different skins? I mean Black Marsh would be neat but it's only jungle while Valenwood is plains in forest while Summerset is only boreal and urban whil Elswery has Jungle, Desert, marshes etc.

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    • GreasySweet500 wrote:
      Wouldn't the different types of Khajit just be different skins?

      No?

      Some Khajiit look like normal housecats, while some are lion/tiger shaped, twice as large as Altmer, and can carry men into battle.

      They would have to make entierly new skeletons, animations, armor sets, make every doorway able to fit those monsters, etc. etc.

      Also, you are aware that one texture costs Bethesda literally thousands of dollars to make nowadays?

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    • I actually didn't know that there were some Khajit that were 30 feet high :/

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    • GreasySweet500 wrote:
      SajuukKhar wrote:
      GreasySweet500 wrote:
      I think Elsweyr would be the best choice since it has the most varied geography
      Elsweyr would be near impossible to do, due to Bethesda not having the time or budget to make all 17 foms of Khajiit, on top of all the other 9 races, on top of all the monsters.
      Wouldn't the different types of Khajit just be different skins? I mean Black Marsh would be neat but it's only jungle while Valenwood is plains in forest while Summerset is only boreal and urban whil Elswery has Jungle, Desert, marshes etc.

      Elsweyr is dessert and rainforrest; Valendwood is thick forrests; Blackmarsh is Swamps, jungles, marshes.

      and varying environment wouldn't exactly be what they're looking for in the next game(especially when one of those places would have to rebalance the entire game due to one race having 17 different playstyles[unless only one is playable, but that would be extremely dissapointing]) Varying environment would take much longer to program than a single environment.

      in other words:

      More environment times = more time before the next game comes out.

      More character types(like the 17 different types of Khajiit) = more time before the game can come out/MUCH MORE BUGS

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    • Well Skyrim wasn't all snow and it was perfectly fine dispite bugs (I didn't even have many)

      Skyrim had: Plains, Marshes, Mountain, Forest, Snow, Ocean, Canyons, Hills, Islands.

      Can you amagine how less visually pleasing it would be if you get: Forest. 

      instead of saying how bad an idea I have why don't you give a suggestion on were the next Elder Scrolls can be? 

      On Tamriel we still haven't explored: The entirety of High Rock, Orsimer, The entirety of Hammerfell, The Morrowind Mainland, Elsewyr, Valenwood, Black Marsh, and Summerset.

      Take your pick and explain why you  would like that place to explore then I'll counter some of your ideas saying it wouldn't be as good as Elsewry (though I admit it would be neat to try out all the different Khajit though it would probably not happen. I didn't know they varied in size fur colour etc. that much)

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    • DrKepper wrote:
      ZakMarcus wrote:
      Trevor the Grunt wrote:
      Something tells me the player's actions during the conflict will turn out to be inconsequential. 

      Two scenarios seem likely. 

      One: The Dominion, having regained it's strength, will win, and launch a subsequent campaign of oppression (slavery, genocide, the whole nine yards), with nothing but scattered rebels in their way setting the stage for the sixth game. Dystopian elements.

      Two: All three powers wear down from the fighting and eventually collapse into lawlessness and despotism,  but at the same time, innovation (survival is the mother of invention) also setting the stage for another game (Darkest of the two, there's no grand adventure, no glory to be had, you do your best to come out at the top of the food chain). 

      I have to say, after becoming addicted to Fallout 3 and Fallout NV after playing Oblivion, I like your second Idea a lot better. But instead of complete choatic lawless-ness I think they would still need to keep some sort of system for gameplay purposes. Basically there has to be people in charge you can do quests for and earn the favor of.

      My vote would be for something similar to the Jarls in Skyrim. But they would be more like warlords who control different regions. Different warlords with their own armies (none of them to big to keep them balanced), each warlord and his/her corrosponding army would have unique armor and weapon styles and battle tactics, cultures and laws. Fighting for territory and money and honor and what have you. 

      You as the player could become allied with certain factions, and help create or destroy alliances between factions. Helping to expand/take territory, increasing safety of travel in allied areas. Bosting the economy for a faction, based on the more safe territory and secure trade routes said faction controls. Maybe even helping to create alliances so strong that two factions could merge territories. It would have to be in a way that would make it impossible to join/help every faction, that way there's a heavy emphasis on your choices in allies and who you decide to befriend or piss off. And it would deffinately be impossible to not make quite a few enemies. All that would also do a lot for replayability.

      This might be the best idea yet. I really like the idea of several different factions. It would really make the game seem so much bigger if you have around 9 different factions that you can choose to help or destroy. I think that it would be great to be set it maybe Valenwood or Elsweyr, with the game mostly focusing on the collapse of the current empire and the collapse of the Aldmeri Dominion. 

      Thank you!

      Valenwood would be my 1st choice, just because of the fact that the Bosmer build up in the trees, and the forests can be very thick. Which would add mutli level combat situations, great opportunities for ambushs either from the tree tops or hiding in the brush on the forest floor.

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    • GreasySweet500 wrote:
      Well Skyrim wasn't all snow and it was perfectly fine dispite bugs (I didn't even have many)

      Skyrim had: Plains, Marshes, Mountain, Forest, Snow, Ocean, Canyons, Hills, Islands.

      Can you amagine how less visually pleasing it would be if you get: Forest. 

      instead of saying how bad an idea I have why don't you give a suggestion on were the next Elder Scrolls can be? 

      On Tamriel we still haven't explored: The entirety of High Rock, Orsimer, The entirety of Hammerfell, The Morrowind Mainland, Elsewyr, Valenwood, Black Marsh, and Summerset.

      Take your pick and explain why you  would like that place to explore then I'll counter some of your ideas saying it wouldn't be as good as Elsewry (though I admit it would be neat to try out all the different Khajit though it would probably not happen. I didn't know they varied in size fur colour etc. that much)

      Well Orsinium is more like a city-state than a full country/province, so I wouldn't suggest that for the entire map. Unless we want a Dragon Age II situation on our hands.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      GreasySweet500 wrote:
      SajuukKhar wrote:
      GreasySweet500 wrote:
      I think Elsweyr would be the best choice since it has the most varied geography
      Elsweyr would be near impossible to do, due to Bethesda not having the time or budget to make all 17 foms of Khajiit, on top of all the other 9 races, on top of all the monsters.
      Wouldn't the different types of Khajit just be different skins? I mean Black Marsh would be neat but it's only jungle while Valenwood is plains in forest while Summerset is only boreal and urban whil Elswery has Jungle, Desert, marshes etc.
      Elsweyr is dessert and rainforrest; Valendwood is thick forrests; Blackmarsh is Swamps, jungles, marshes.

      and varying environment wouldn't exactly be what they're looking for in the next game(especially when one of those places would have to rebalance the entire game due to one race having 17 different playstyles[unless only one is playable, but that would be extremely dissapointing]) Varying environment would take much longer to program than a single environment.

      in other words:

      More environment times = more time before the next game comes out.

      More character types(like the 17 different types of Khajiit) = more time before the game can come out/MUCH MORE BUGS

      I honestly wouldn't mind if the different kinds of Khajiit weren't playable. I think it would actually hurt the gameplay ballance if they were. As long as they're in the game, and you can interact with them, I'd be happy.  Also Imagine befriending a half-ton Senche-raht and him/her letting you ride them. 

      It would't be that hard for them to add, it'd be just like adding in some new monsters, only they're not monsters. Though there would be a lot of new scripting involved with the non-hostile behavior of the more beastial kinds of Khajiit.

      Also they're starting from scratch with TES VI anyways. They're only gonna use the creation engine for one more game, and that's probably Fallout 4.

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    • ZakMarcus wrote:
      Also they're starting from scratch with TES VI anyways. They're only gonna use the creation engine for one more game, and that's probably Fallout 4.

      Implying that the new engine wont just be an updated gamebryo like creation was, and that Bethesda would not only destroy the modding community, but also all progress they have made since Morrowind, by switching to an actually new engine.

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    • SajuukKhar wrote:

      ZakMarcus wrote:
      Also they're starting from scratch with TES VI anyways. They're only gonna use the creation engine for one more game, and that's probably Fallout 4.

      Implying that the new engine wont just be an updated gamebryo like creation was, and that Bethesda would not only destroy the modding community, but also all progress they have made since Morrowind, by switching to an actually new engine.

      I'm pretty sure they built the creation engine from scratch.

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    • ZakMarcus wrote:. I'm pretty sure they built the creation engine from scratch.

      Lol no, there are so many files in the creation engine with GAMEBRYO in the name.

      Its literally just a slightly modifed gamebryo, the same engine they used in Fallout 3, Oblivion, and Morrowind.

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    • Valenwood would be cool. I could be wrong on this, but aren't the trees there migratory? I remember seeing that somewhere. Migratory implies that they migrate, so would they be similar to Ents, walking around and such?

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    • The trees in Valenwood do walk, but they are not known to be like ents, in that they have minds and talk and stuff.

      However, the trees are known to stop walking during certain times, like the Oblivion crisis, and its likely they wouldn't be walking in a game set in Valenwood due to technical limitations.

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    • If it was in Valenwood though, I think they would have to add some sort of tree climbing system (maybe bring back the acrobatics skill but this time it'll be useful) to fully take advantage of the terrain. Also I think if it was just Valenwood, essentailly a big dense forest, the game world would be to homogonous. Maybe have it take place in Valenwood and Elsweyr to add some variety.

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    • OR how about every time you enter the main map, some tree cities move; but the caves and cities or villages built on the ground would stay static.

      No better variety than a map that changes, even slightly.

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    • Pink Slim wrote:
      OR how about every time you enter the main map, some tree cities move; but the caves and cities or villages built on the ground would stay static.

      No better variety than a map that changes, even slightly.

      That would be cool, but probably impossible to do, hardware constraints and all. Also I'd still ike something other than forest to run around in. And the closest thing we've had to a desert is Vardenfell, but thats an ash waste. I'd like to explore the deserts of Elsweyr, also the rainforests. The Alik'r would be a cool place to explore as well. I like deserts haha

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    • I'd expect some clearings from where the trees have migrated away from; and there has to be some sort of beach; then there should be a sandy area, I mean at least something that looks like it can easily transition with Ellsweyr's rainforrests and desserts.

      my personal choice is Hammerfell for the story; but if we could get Vallenwood(with a little bit of Ellsweyr) I'd be okay with that.

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    • King of Skyrim wrote:
      Drakwind wrote:
      Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      Come on guy, Ulfric's a really nice guy who truely does care for his fellow Nords. He's not going to turn into some spiteful tyrant. As  for the Altmer, the Slorgs(I think thats what there called) can be paid to wipe them out if needed. Also the Argonians wouldn't go down without taking the Emipire with them so a war with them would be the last thing on their minds. But when push comes to shove I'm sure the Empire would revolt against the Dominion rather then just let them walk right over them,
      If he truly cared for his people then he wouldn't have sent a lot of them to their deaths, killed the king he swore fedelity to, and betray an empire he was sworn to protect.

      the only good thing he has done, was stop the markarth incident.

      Please.. The Thalmor will eventually lose sine they're evil, and evil never wins.

      Tell me, did Dagoth Ur accomplished his goal & did Mehrunes Dagon succeed in turning Tamriel into another hellish realm of Oblivion? No.

      Things have a way of working itself out. If the Thalmor did win, you can kiss The Elder Scrolls series goodbye.

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    • 112.198.82.172 wrote:
      King of Skyrim wrote:
      Drakwind wrote:
      Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      Come on guy, Ulfric's a really nice guy who truely does care for his fellow Nords. He's not going to turn into some spiteful tyrant. As  for the Altmer, the Slorgs(I think thats what there called) can be paid to wipe them out if needed. Also the Argonians wouldn't go down without taking the Emipire with them so a war with them would be the last thing on their minds. But when push comes to shove I'm sure the Empire would revolt against the Dominion rather then just let them walk right over them,
      If he truly cared for his people then he wouldn't have sent a lot of them to their deaths, killed the king he swore fedelity to, and betray an empire he was sworn to protect.

      the only good thing he has done, was stop the markarth incident.

      Please.. The Thalmor will eventually lose sine they're evil, and evil never wins.

      Tell me, did Dagoth Ur accomplished his goal & did Mehrunes Dagon succeed in turning Tamriel into another hellish realm of Oblivion? No.

      Things have a way of working itself out. If the Thalmor did win, you can kiss The Elder Scrolls series goodbye.

      It's the "Balance" of Good & Evil my friends. Remember, Good cannot exist without Evil, and Evil cannot exist without Good. Those who tried to upset that balance always lose. If you don't get what i am saying, read your history.

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    • I think that there will be negotitations. After this second civil war will beging and this time Ulfric wins. Ulfric begins cleaning of Thalmor spys, servicemen of 40th imperial legion that staying in Skyrim, his old enemies and others. After this Aldmeri Dominion and Empire declare war to Ulfric. In this war Hammerfell declare that it will be with Skyrim and war goes on... 

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    • Seriously why does everyone hate the thalmor so much. The humans did the exact same thing to the elves. Neither are evil it is just the balance of power shifting. Thye humans opressed pretty much everyone there is a reason that all the races either succeded from human controll, or joined the aldmeri domion.  We have just spent a game hearing the nords side of the story, wait till we hear from pretty much every other province before we denounce the elves as evil.

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    • 59.167.254.63 wrote: Seriously why does everyone hate the thalmor so much. The humans did the exact same thing to the elves. Neither are evil it is just the balance of power shifting. Thye humans opressed pretty much everyone there is a reason that all the races either succeded from human controll, or joined the aldmeri domion.  We have just spent a game hearing the nords side of the story, wait till we hear from pretty much every other province before we denounce the elves as evil.

      No, just no. There is no comparison.

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    • Regardless of whether the Stormcloaks win, Skyrim will have a lot more to worry about than just the Thalmor. There is already a civil war going on in the Reach. The forsworn are experts at guerilla warfare and will not give up their land without a fight. Peryite is spreading a plague throughout the country that will likely wipe out a large percentage of its population. The orcs, who have historically been supporters of the empire, will likely not care much for Ulfric's "Skyrim is for the nords" propaganda. Skald in particular is pretty clearly hated by the people in Dawnstar and is actively antagonizing giants in the area that are normally peaceful and under the empire's protection. Even after the empire has left, there will be a large population of dunmer, altmer, bosmer, and khajiit that Ulfric and his followers will be less than welcoming to.

      Finally, the Falmer are slowly moving higher into the surface and will likely attempt to reclaim their rightful home across Skyrim just as the forsworn are in the Reach.

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    • 2014 and we still dont know wtf

      if this empire didnt betray ulfric ( the high king of skyrim) at markarth then the stormcloaks would have never existed, and no the stormcloaks are not agaist other races, they are against the empire and it's puppets, look in windhelm an elf owns an alchamy shop and a dunmer owns a farm outside of the city and i cant blame the stormcloaks for suspecting the elves in the grey quarter cuz in the corner club there is an imperial armor and sword so i dont blame the nords for calling them spies cuz they actualy might be, and one nords CAN join the stormcloaks.

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    • We will not know the actual outcome until the next Elder Scrolls game. (Chronologically, that is. Technically Elder Scrolls Online was the "next" game, but it was set two eras previously).

      They might do something like what happened with Daggerfall, and have a Dragon Break occurring - meaning that your choices in-game ARE valid, but they didnt make a permanent difference.

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    • Even though this will seem totally biased, I think that the Empire should be the canon winners of the Civil War. Just for one of the reasons, look at the other main games:

      Arena - Pro-Imperial

      Daggerfall - Pro-Imperial? (For 1 of the 6 endings, at least.)

      Morrowind - Pro-Imperial

      Oblivion - Pro-Imperial


      Sure, the Septim Dynasty ended, but that doesn't mean we should suddenly overlook the fact that all of the other games are Pro-Imperial in some way.

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    • When thinking of TES lore, just remember this one thing when it comes to multiple potential cononical events; "whoops, Dragon Break lolol". It's a neat little thing that Bethesda seem to have devised specifically so they can get themselves out of any lore inconsistencies.

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    • Incarnate Sable wrote:
      When thinking of TES lore, just remember this one thing when it comes to multiple potential cononical events; "whoops, Dragon Break lolol". It's a neat little thing that Bethesda seem to have devised specifically so they can get themselves out of any lore inconsistencies.

      Unfortunately, though, they DIDN'T come up with this particular thing. Sure, they came up with the name. But Doctor Who has been doing that sort of thing for a very, very long time. ("Time is in flux", anyone?) .. and they probably didnt come up with it themselves either. Seems like a handy literary tool. If i could be bothered, It look up TV Tropes and list more.

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    • Well my point still stands, if it could maybe possibly very slightly have happened, Dragon Breaks mean it did. For instance, some players may carry a goat cheese wheel through the entire game. Canonically, it happened and didn't because TES Logic.

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    • Actually, because its Cheese, it did. (Blame Sheogorath)

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    • The next TES game will just be vague about the war

      End of story, though I would like it if it was canon that the imperials won 

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    • BOSS SUKR wrote:
      The next TES game will just be vague about the war

      End of story, though I would like it if it was canon that the imperials won 

      Point of clarification: Next TES Game in terms of in-game chronology.

      It's necessary to make that clear, because the next TES game is actually already out. And it features an Aldmeri Dominion, too. (Albeit, a different one).

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Flamedude22 wrote:
      Seeing that two quest lines weaken the Empire: Stormcloak and Dark Brotherhood, I'd have to say the Stormcloaks won, but they'd have to make it make sense no matter if you chose Stormcloak or Imperial. Maybe something like this:

      The Emperor, Titus Mede II was mysteriously assinated. To end the bloodshed of his own people, his succsesor handed Skyrim to the Stormcloaks, the Thalmor were not pleased. These events triggered the second great war, Nords and Imperials fought once more as brothers, this time the Aldmeri Dominion fell. This invulentarily triggered the persecution of High Elves for decades. The White-Gold Concordant was burned. But, Jarl Ulfric had fallen bravely in battle, his succsesor wanted no more tension between Skyrim and the Empire, and allowed Skyrim to be annexed under certaint conditions. 

      50 years later: The Summerset Isles are a shadow of their former selves, the empire controls them with an iron fist, millitant brutality, and angry memories haunt them.. 

      The Elder Scrolls: Summerset

      Oh gods, that is beautitful.

      I could live with that even if it isn't quite how I think it would/will go down.

      I could live with it just fine.

      Also with the added caveat that the Altmer/Mer are kept down for all forseeable future, reinstating the Alessian Order/Empire could help in that regard.

      Agreed

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    • If the player sided with the Stormcloaks: Stormcloaks take all the holds and execute Tullius, Ulfric is killed (Thalmor assassins? Imperial loyalists? false-flag? disgruntled Dunmer? Forsworn? lone lunatic?) after the events of the game but before he can be crowned High King (I'm sure they left that up in the air for a reason). So Elisif (as next most legitimate candidate) is crowned High Queen of an independent Skyrim which has uneasy but peaceful relations with the Empire.

      If the player sided with the Imperials: Imperials take all the holds and kill Ulfric. Tullius is killed by remnant Stormcloaks after the events of the game and the Empire's hold on Skyrim is weakened without his leadership allowing a Stormcloak resurgence even without Ulfric. Independence is eventually declared (barely), but with Ulfric gone the moot inevitably names Elisif High Queen. Under her rule, Skyrim's relations with the Empire are peaceful but uneasy.

      If the player took no side: once the dragon crisis is set aside and the truce ends, Ulfric and Tullius are both killed in the ongoing hoshtilities, and after a long struggle, Elisif is crowned High Queen of an Empire-friendly but independent Skyrim.

      What we actually hear in game-lore: Ulfric and Tullius both died, there was no clear "winner" in the conflict except for the Thalmor/Aldmeri Dominion, Skyrim wound up independent but allied with the Empire, with Elisif as High Queen.

      On a side note, I suppose the Emperor will have been killed by a Dark Brotherhood assassin (player or otherwise) or Thalmor agent. Dark Brotherhood thought destroyed but actually not quite. What we hear: Emperor was assassinated.

      In any case we can expect a weakened Empire, an independent Skyrim, and maybe another Great War in which, regardless of player choices, the Empire and Skyrim (and probably others) are allied against the Aldmeri Dominion. Perhaps this sets the stage for the next game in which the main quest centres on this conflict (perhaps the Thalmor are up to something far dodgier than anybody expected).

      Of course, this is all conjecture on my part. It seems most likely to me that Bethesda planned what the future lore would say about the civil war and then made sure that whatever outcome the player chose would be open-ended enough to fit their plan. Judging by what conclusions the game fails to deliver I've crafted a theory about what they have planned. I'm sure it's not completely right and I look forward to being surprised.

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    • In My Future, My Nord Dragonborn Overthrows Ulfric Stormcloak 1 Year After He Is Named High King. Soon After, My Nord Becomes High King Of Skyrim And Leads It To A New Golden Age. Sound Good?

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    • It sounds like every word is capitalised for no reason.

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    • A canon ending to the end of the civil war would be The Thalmor stepping in and admitting that this was just a plan to weaken all of you (Imperials and Stormcloaks) even further and now it is at that point where we will end the war ourselves by our terms.  Realizing who the true enemy is, both sides gather up their men with Tullius and Ulfric standing side by side and braverly sacrificing their lives to beat The Thalmor out of Skyrim and the remaing Jarls call for a Moot and elect one of several potential canidates like I have listed below.

      After noticing several NPC's behavioral patterns and walking by some other NPC's and fighting your Bandits, random opponents/ assassins/ hired thugs, I believe that Jarl Balgruuf, Jarl Elisif, Jarl Korir, and Brunwulf Free-Winter are your true canidates for potential High King/ High Queen once the War ends.  I don't list Jarl Ulfric as a canidate because during the quest Diplomatic Immunity, you come across a book/ record that basically outlines Ulfric Stormcloak's perspectives.  Even the Dark Elves of Windhelm, claim that the City is a place of crude discrimination, along with the cty's dock workers, who happen to be Argonian.  The other Jarls are listed because you actually do specific favors for them like Jarl Korir wants Winterhold to have more authority, so he has you go claim the Legendary Helm of Winterhold.  Other than that his problems lie in with The College of Winterhold more so than the War itself.  Jarl Balgruuf, so many things can be said about this canidate.  Out of the Jarls, he has to put up with the most from his own children to what the Steward and House Carl constantly bicker.  He is basically modeled after King Theoden (LoTR reference).  Jarl Elisif, while portrayed as a 'potential Empire Puppet' mourns for the loss of her husband High King Torygg/ Dead King Torygg has you investigate The Resurrection of Queen Potema and deliver Torygg's Battle Horn to a Shrine of Talos.  She is rightly named Elisif the Fair because whether she has some experience as a Jarl or not, she seems to have a more diplomatic approach versus the other Jarls.  Finally, Brunwulf Free-Winter makes a solid choice because he essentially is the opposite of Ulfric, whether completely accurate or not, there isn't much to prove other than when he is asked about Ulfric liking the dark elves.

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    • TheEPICMAN wrote:
      or in my ending the dragonborn time travels to a futuristic nirn, steals a nuke puts it on summerset isle, and BOOM!

      Are you sure that was Future Nirn, or maybe you simply went to Megaton?

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    • Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      you probably haven't played the stormcloak questline (or maybe i'm wrong) but when the stormcloaks win ulfric has the chance to take the throne and rule skyrim, if what you said about ulfrics rule is ture ulfric would have taken the throne there, but he wont take the throne until the moot votes him high king. ulfric never wanted power he wanted freedom for nords.

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    • 75.157.132.202 wrote:

      Thalmor Assassin wrote:
      I think that if the Stormcloaks win the war, High Rock will be separated from the Empire and break up into small warring city-states.

      In Skyrim i believe that Ulfric will become High King and ruthlesly rule Skyrim. He will become a feared tyrant and a second rebellion will start. Within 50 years Skyrim will be in ruins, which will cause the Dominion to take control of it. This would spark a second-great war. The dominion will probably take control of High Rock, successfully surrounding it. The Empire will stay loyal to the dominion and the Argonian states of Balck Marsh and Morrowind will be invaded. After about 10 to 20 years the Dominion will take control of it and then go on to take Cyrodil years later... causing Tamriel to be ruled by the Elves.


      This is my theory. (sorry that it is short and rushed)

      you probably haven't played the stormcloak questline (or maybe i'm wrong) but when the stormcloaks win ulfric has the chance to take the throne and rule skyrim, if what you said about ulfrics rule is ture ulfric would have taken the throne there, but he wont take the throne until the moot votes him high king. ulfric never wanted power he wanted freedom for nords.

      Well, that can be debatable. I remember playing the stormcloaks and when I saw the ending and his speech, although he said he'll let the moot decide who is rly high king, he mainly said that to get the approval of the people. I mean, he's gotten Stormcloak soldiers all across the main cities of Skyrim, they can't really vote against him without something bad happening (accidental deaths, assassination, etc.). I believe that part of it is honor, but he certainly wants power.

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    • I'm fairly sure the Empire would have won seeing as they are an Empire, Ulfric is a merely a man witha few rag-tag rebels behind him, the Legion is a sophisticated, regimented army. Plus Bethesda would have probably allocated the Dragonborn to the Legion because it would be far better for Skyrim's people, the Thalmor would wage war on Skyrim until they were all dead. One country cannot stand against two continental powers.

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    • Jimbo - he would have said that, safe in the knowledge that the Moot will choose him. (Being easily the most qualified anyway).

      Hydra - actually, they ARE an empire, yes. But empires fall all the time. In fact, this empire is different to the empire that has existed from Arena until Oblivion.

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    • That they are. The Empire would defeat the Stormcloaks eventually though, provided the Thalmor don't manage to regain their strength and attack them again.

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    • Hydra-Hok wrote:
      I'm fairly sure the Empire would have won seeing as they are an Empire, Ulfric is a merely a man witha few rag-tag rebels behind him, the Legion is a sophisticated, regimented army. Plus Bethesda would have probably allocated the Dragonborn to the Legion because it would be far better for Skyrim's people, the Thalmor would wage war on Skyrim until they were all dead. One country cannot stand against two continental powers.

      From what I've seen in game, the Legion based in Skyrim is ruled by General Tullius, and is made up of Imperials (likely the ones who moved with the Legion initially) and Nords (more than likely local conscripts recruited when the Legion arrived). Based on this, Tullius probably doesn't have the full support of the Empire behind him due to Cyrodiil requiring forces stationed there in case the Thalmor decided they'd launch a surprise attack. Tullius was most likely entrusted to crush the rebellion with only the Legion he took with him and what conscripts he could gather, rather than being resupplied from the Imperial Province directly.

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    • I have reason to be believe the ending will be somewhat unclear, even a few years after Skyrim.  My reasoning is that the next game will likely be far away from Skyrim.


        My idea is that the war is interfered by the return of dragons and neither has long term victory.  No matter who wins, Skyrim might still face famine and instability thanks to Forsworn, Falmer, Vampires, faction rivalries (mostly bandits), and damaged trade routes.  A new dragon cult might arise, & even despite Alduin's defeat, the dragons continue to persist.

        I would say that Ulfric & Tullius probably die (mass-murder, vampires, disgruntled mob, etc.?)  or they step down due to some complication.  Skyrim then falls into the rule of the Dragonborn, only to leave for Cyrodiil to claim the Empire.  Afterwords, several High Kings are killed or step down  (Baalgruf included) and involved in a war of succession.

        In the end, Skyrim might come out ruled by either someone like Elisif or someone as corrupt as a Blackbriar or Silverblood.  They may or may not make allegiances with other lands, but the Thalmor will still attempt to undermine them by force or bribery.  Thus, Skyrim becomes a cloudy affair in just a few years.

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    • In terms of the next setting,  I might like to see some mix between Elsweyr, mainland Morrowind, Argonia (Black Marsh), & Blackwood (Cyrodiil).

      A system of warlords and rebellion can work well in these places, enough variety of landscape can exist, and a great plot could be made.  Argonia might also be possible if a disease mechanic (similar to mods like Frostfall for Skyrim) was employed & magic / alchemy / lore expanded.  It is certainly a possibility, distanced from the Dominion, and far enough away from Skyrim.


      Just an idea though.

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    • -The dragons aren't limited to Skyrim

      -Empire previously lost a war

      -Emporer is killable

      -Dragonborn is depicted as a Nord

      My guess Skyrim is liberated but only for so long

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    • I don't care what happens, but I want the next single player to be "The Last Dragonborn Invades Akavir."

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    • I wanna go to elseweyr with bigger cities because instead of having a large province the scale of the map can be more realistic (still not completely realistic, of course) and I also think I hear somebody on the wiki guess that this was the next setting with some pretty solid evidence. I don't remember what it was, however.

      Anyway: Whitern is puny and the khajiit cities don't have to be is what I'm getting at.

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    • True, one thing that struck me as weird in skyrim was that there seemed to be as many guards as there were ordinary citizens in places like Whiterun and Solitude. Yeah, hopefully there will be more city and a little less empty land.

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    • That would be pretty cool, but I mean that Elseweyr in general is smaller than skyrim and all of it can be bigger.

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    • Well, if I would design the future of the lore, I'd make it like this:

      Civil War - The Empire is successful at first, nearly ending it when reaching the Windhelm gates, but interrupted by a dragon, killing lines of legionaires, but is soon taken down by Dragonborn. Legion retreats and stormcloaks regain their strength and drive imperials out of Eastmarch. Then it would become stalemate for time, while DB does the main quest (After the Embassy thing). In time stormcloaks gather more strength and successfully siege Whiterun. They are able to take Falkreath hold too, but are unable to continue due to the increasing power of Alduin and it's dragon allies. In trouble, Tullius and Stormcloak agree to make a temporary truce at High Hrothgar (Season Unending) to deal with the Dragon threat. Then DB would defeat Alduin and return from Sovngarde. Stormcloaks who made plans during the truce, made a decisive move right after 3-5 days from Alduin's defeat or so. Legion however didn't prepare as thouroughly for the end of the truce. Stormcloaks send a blockade to Solitude while taking the remaining holds. With this Blitzkrieg maneuver, they siege Solitude and win. Tullius perishes and after few weeks Ulfric would be declared High King, ruling from Windhelm.

      The Dragon Crisis would probably last the remaining part of year 4E 201 (Helgen incident situates at 17th Last Seed, which is august for Tamriel. Rebellion would last 3-5 months?).  Most probably Ulfric would start his reign at the start of 4E 202, Sun's Dawn (february) or First Seed (march). Emperor Titus Mede II, would be assassinated in Frostfall(october), or Sun's dusk (november) 4E 201, since then the Empire still had some control in Skyrim. Loss of Skyrim and the Emperor would be hard for Cyrodiil, but with the death of the Emperor, it would also be the death of his politics. Mede saved Cyrodiil from the greater slaugther of Thalmor at 4E 175, true, but he also had to forfeit Talos and Hammerfell. Now that Skyrim had been lost, it would be obvious that imperials wanted a change, a comeback, a strong leader. Mede's political opposition would use the chance (just as Amaund Motierre would tell the Listener in Dark Brotherhood questline - Emperor's assassination was therefore funded by important members/politicians of the Elder Council, with Motierre one of them). Since Elder Council would be more of a democratic parliament, they would perhaps set elections for a new Emperor. Until that Elder Council would rule Cyrodiil for a time. Skyrim, however, would experience more changes, since with a new rule, there would come new system. Ulfric would probably upgrade Skyrim's defences, to be ready for an upcoming conflict (later named Second Great War), which people felt coming nearby. There would probably be other reforms and it would be difficult at start. Dragonborn would either help with cleaning Skyrim from bandits n' other creatures, visit other provinces, stay and relax in Solstheim or even perhaps be hired by Mede's opposition to begin a massive plan of reforming and glorifying Cyrodiil. (If DB was a Listener, Motierre or someone else would hire him/her. In any case, Dark Brotherhood would return to it's roots in Cyrodiil and connections in Elder Council would help, so the Listener, DB or not, would probably have a part in the upcoming events) It would probably be best though, if DB would stay out of Second Great War to not ruin the probable next ES chapter, so if DB would particiapate in some events at Cyrodiil, it'd probably be for a short time.

      Since Ulfric would concentrate more on the nords and their problems, dunmer and other minorities would probably be ignored. Ulfric couldn't help much them anyway besides banning the inequality, but it is quite common that leader's dislikes are transformed into serious hates by his followers or assistants.

      Ehh... not gonna make this reply too long, need a break. I'll continue soon.

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    • They were very vague with the canon ending of the oblivion crisis. Not many people knew much about the hero. I think there will not be much info on the civil war either, just that at some point Ulfric and Tullius were executed by opposing armies but in the end one side won, which I think will be the stormcloaks.

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    • Might be. Oblivion crisis was 200 years before Dragon Crisis though. If the next chapter would be by the Second Great War, which would probably be quite close to the latter Crisis, it'd make more sense if the information would be more detailed. It'd rather make more sense that either Tullius or Stormcloak would survive atleast until the end of the Civil War, with one of them witnessing other's death. Tullius might be replaced during the whole conflict, but if Ulfric would die during the War, stormcloaks would probably scatter and return to their homes, ending with a victory for the Empire. Therefore, if stormcloaks win, Ulfric would most likely be still alive for it's celebration. Afterwards he could be assassinated or killed in some minor clash somewhere. 

      My theory in short sense: Both sides of Civil War suffer victories and losses, stormcloaks lose at first, but later are able to defeat Imperial Legion with clever tatical maneuvers - otherwise Legion would probably win with numbers (most of the Legion in Cyrodiil), better equipment and all. Ulfric would be announced as High King and would rule a few years (let's say to 4E 205) until he'd be assassinated either by Dark Brotherhood via/or the imperials, the minorities or anyone else who wants him down.

      Continually: After his death, Empire would convince Skyrim to create an alliance and Stormcloak rule would dissolve. Jarls or any other would go for the throne. Whole conflict in Skyrim was mostly about Talos anyway, and if the Empire would promise to return His worship to legality or even announce it right away if Skyrim would return as a province. Such move though could be made right before the war with the dominion would start, when there would be no reason to hold peace. If Empire would succeed in winning back Hammerfell too, Empire would become more threathening for thalmor as an enemy than in 4E 175. Empire have had over 20 years of healing and preparing too. Now it'd only need an outstanding key figure with an iron fist, who would become a new Emperor, make alliances and so on. Getting rid of the thalmor influence/espionage too if lucky, as they've had enough time to spread it everywhere. The new Emperor will either be aggressive or passive, and that would decide Empire's fate. Strong leader could have a chance at restoring Empire's former glory. Passive one would most likely fail, as the war is soon about to happen anyway. I'd say 4E 206 or around that time, as Mede's death wasn't planned by them.

      That and Empire's loss of Skyrim would give an excellent chance to give a strike. Dominion had time to grow armies and defences, but with all the thalmor representives, justiciars, citizens and ambassadors in the lands of men, it'd take time to get them safe. War would immeadiately sever a lot of links and connections. Planning on engaging requires time aswell, even if it generally has been already worked on for 10 or 20 years. There would always be new intel to take into account, especially with all the changes with the Dragon Crisis and the Empire's preparements aswell.

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    • Forgot to log in for the previous post.

      I've also imagine that, with a new Emperor,  the Imperial Legions would be, either at the start of the War or after it, called as the Fourth Legion, and if the Dominion loses, how would Tamriel live on. And after that... we'll have new incidents, new wars and so on. So many possibilities. I've thought for quite some time though, long enough to have material for fan fic-Tamriel chronology of 4th to 6E or something like that.

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    • Glad all that arguing about the civil war stopped. No matter what your opinion is about the civil war, people support the Empire as well, and that can't be forgotten. Just to keep the fans happy, I don't think it should be something like Stormcloaks win, or Empire wins. I like the idea previously mentioned that the peace from the Season Unending stays. Perhaps, before either side starts up the civil war again, the Thalmor attack and both sides agree to extend the cease fire until the second Great War is over. Eventually, after the second Great War, the Stormcloaks don't want to fight anymore, perhaps making a deal with the Empire that they would swear fealty in exchange for all provinces in the Empire (or just Skyrim) having more freedom, as well as more say in what the Empire does. 

      Of course, you could always go darker and have the Thalmor succeed. The problem I have with that, though, is the next Elder Scrolls game may have to be more linear to adjust to that. Your choices would have to matter more. More effort would have to be put into the main questline, putting less effort on side quests, and many side quests may actually require you to do a part of the main questline to unlock an area.


      This is, of course, just pure speculation, and my theory about if the Thalmor wins is probably flawed, or just simply not likely. It will be interesting to say what Bethesda actually does, though. 

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    • Of course it maybe more simpler and even appealing to keep the Season Unending truce. On the contrary, unfortunately, the whole situation itself isn't really that simple.

      The thing is, that both sides - imperials and stormcloaks - want Skyrim and eachother gone. Truce itself is temporary really, and with the ending of Dragon Crisis, one of the sides would probably attack anyway. If thalmor would attack, it would be rather Cyrodiil (death of an Emperor and the whole Civil War thing weaking Empire's legions), than Skyrim, and even then it would require some preparations. There are also many possible factors and causes that may happen depending on the actions of imperials or nords.

      I do agree though that some neutrality should be made for the sake of fans. While the sides may battle and one of them maybe even achieve victory, I think that it should be the Dragonborn, who would be neutral, either trying to keep the truce intact, or letting them fight and helping the overall people of Skyrim no matter who wins.

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    • I suspect the next game could be about the AD taking over much of Tamriel and humanity's fight for freedom against those arrogant bastards but u never know.

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    • Honestly I'd would support the Empire if it had a change in management. An empire is weak if the emperor of it is. All the Empire needs is a new Emperor and it can become powerful again and defeat the Dominion. *Spoilers* And with the Dark Brotherhood questline you get to help the Empire in the long run by assassinating Emperor Mede ll. 

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    • Nazul Rostello wrote:
      Flamedude22 wrote:
      99.27.82.82 wrote:
      Honestly, though, I don't think any race deserves to become an empire in Tamriel. It would be best if the Dwemer returned.

      Also, I have confirmed that they are a democratic race. In Blackreach, there is an assembly hall, where they had meetings to solve the everyday problems that occured. Vote boxes could be seen on the tables on the side of the hall. Therefore, DEMOCRACY! POWER TO THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!

      Exept if you live in America where it's POWER FOR THE ELITE, POWER BY THE ELITE, LIES BY THE ELITE... Oh.. Wait.. That's Communism..... No.. I'm right...
      That's Fascism, the far-right, as in "rich people's government".

      Communism in action = Fascism

      But if we're talking about politics in theory, as opposed to in action, the far-right would technically be Anarchy (The concept of which I find quite socially improbable, and slightly silly.), but that is only politics in theory. Just as in theory the far-left would be theoretical Communism. While in reality both the far-right and the far-left are Fascism.

      So, basically, if your vote actually mattered, you'd just be voting for Fascism that alows abortion, but acts like they don't like it, or Fascism that simply allows abortion.

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