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  • Zenimax have announced that ESO will be pay-to-play and subscription based, with the first 30 days free. Afterwards you will need to pay a monthly fee of $14.99/€12.99/£8.99. Do you still intend to play this game knowing it will use this payment model, or that these are the prices you will be charged to play?

    There will also be an in-game cash shop, so players can buy "fun stuff" and services: http://esohub.de/news/154-eso-interview-abomodell-itemshop-entwicklung

    The full interview about ESO's payment model can be found here: http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-elder-scrolls-online/artikel/www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-elder-scrolls-online/artikel/the_elder_scrolls_online,44578,3026853.html

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    • This is a bad move for multiple reasons. First being that there hasn't been a sub based MMO that's lasted more than a few years since WoW, without having to go to a poorly done f2p model. It's an archaic way of doing things that most people wish would just go away. 

      I also think they've put a huge dent in the potential console consumer base. Most console gamers have only ever had to pay monthly for online access, which they use for every game they own. Getting the average console gamer to pay a sub fee on top of what they're paying for XBLive or PSN? For one game? I just don't see it happening.

      Which sucks because I was hoping this game would set a precedent for MMOs that are cross-platform, making them focus more toward player skill than in leveling/grinding, and breaking out of the cookie cutter MMO "gameplay" I hate so very much.

      But at this rate it seems like the precedent that'll be set is more along the lines of "Console MMOs can't be successful, why bother?"

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    • well this is very disapointing news. was hoping it be a single payment but thats not to be. deos this mean that you have to pay to play the whole game or just to get access to the PVP element in the game. Would click on the link but am at work and the computers have blocks on gaming websites

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    • Not surprised at all Elder Scrolls is a very established name just like Final Fantasy which also requires a subscription to play on all sysytems. If a company think people will pay they'll use a subscription based sytem.

      Realslimcraigey you get a month free with the purchase of the game but after that if you don't pay you can't play it, copy/paste from the GameStar article -

      "The Elder Scrolls Online offers unlimited play for the first 30 days with the purchase of the game. The choice is yours to play as much as you want; hundreds of hours of content, PvP, etc - is all there for you to experience with the base purchase of the game. If you want to continue playing for hundreds of hours more after that first month you'll pay a flat fee for continued, unlimited access to the game."

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    • thanks AK.

      This news has slighly sadened me but I dont think that will stop me playing. I am sure I can manage the monthly fee.

      Although hopfuly it will discourage the younger players as mummy and daddy might not go for this. Nothing against younger players the more the merrier, but they do get annoying sometimes. 

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    • NOOOOOOO! I bet if it was Bethesda and not Zenimax-Online they would know not to do this. Maybe they'll change their minds before launch if they get enough backlash.

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    • burn the zenimax studio!!!

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    • I'm not getting TES online anymore. I can't afford to pay for SWTOR and TESO.

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    • Well, looks as thought I shall not be on it anymore.  That is a very sad move on their part.  I happen to know that the guild I run on different games with will not be making an appearance.  Sad day. Sad, sad day.

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    • Wow.If before i was already doubting my playing in Online because of my inneficient internet speed,now i'm certainly sure.Though most of the people who only played Skyrim gonna defect imediately and that should make Zenimax change her mind...i don't know why i bother with MMOs anymore.

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    • Just find the ones that are B2P and F2P.  Star Citizen is promising buy to play, if you back with like $45 now you get the game and alpha/beta access.  Firefall is F2P and in open beta, it shows promise.  Neverwinter Online is F2P, brought to you by the folks that made Star Trek Online and Torchlight (to name a couple).  I knew I was getting too excited about this game for my own good.

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    • The news is now on the Escapist too link here.

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    • the only game I will ever consider subbing to is SWTOR...

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    • I just don't see the point in paying for a game monthly when they'll make the initial overhead with up-front sales.  Guild Wars handles it, Defiance would have if their higher-ups had a brain and weren't mucking things up, so many games are F2P and B2P that there's no need to be on a subscription business model.

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    • Dick move, Zenimax. Dick. Move.

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    • I will never pay a subscription to play a game. I would have been all for Buy-to-Play as that seemed like the best way to go. It would have been a benefit to the devs and the players. They could have still made money on DLC and optional microtransactions. But, oh well, back to playing the games I've already paid for once.

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    • I might have considered paying a sub if I didn't have to buy the game as well... But, no. Zenimax goes with the single most outdated mmo sub system: Buy the game AND pay for subscription.

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    • I'm actually kinda fine with it. I had to paytoplay for Final Fantasy XI so I'm used to it. Guys come on it's going to be a really good game!

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    • Too late we've already called off Christmas.

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    • AzuraKnight wrote:
      Too late we've already called off Christmas.

      By Azura no!

      I wish I wish... Bethesda, pull the carpet from under Zenimax's feet.

      • Magical tingle
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    • Another classic AK movie reference that perfectly sums up how I feel about the forum post - and such a great movie in its own right!

      As for it being a "really good game", I can honestly say that it has a lot of potential.   However, the things they're putting out now compared to what was being said and seen in the pre-dev and alpha stages tell me that marketting and upper management is getting ahold of the decision making process instead of letting the devs work their magic.  This is what ruins story/lore based games [clears throat] WORLD OF WARCRAFT!! [clears throat]

      Sorry, bit of a twitch when I talk about the subject.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      Another classic AK movie reference that perfectly sums up how I feel about the forum post - and such a great movie in its own right!

      As for it being a "really good game", I can honestly say that it has a lot of potential.   However, the things they're putting out now compared to what was being said and seen in the pre-dev and alpha stages tell me that marketting and upper management is getting ahold of the decision making process instead of letting the devs work their magic.  This is what ruins story/lore based games [clears throat] WORLD OF WARCRAFT!! [clears throat]

      Sorry, bit of a twitch when I talk about the subject.

      • Cough "Jail Bait" *Cough
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    • I assume at this point the Wiki guild has probably just had it's members halved, if not dissolved completely.

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    • It'll suffer great numbers, truly.

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    • A pity, it was so promising...

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    • Moreover, that game as whole will suffer great numbers.  As well as quality players that just refuse to succumb to an archaic business model.

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    • Lol, wow. Well, anyways, I won't be playing it, then. Used to play a big MMORPG, and was angry when they raised prices from $5 to $7-8 a month.

      Edit: granted, they could do what Microsoft did with the new Xbox and actually give their customers what they want. But anyways, some damage is already done, and they've lost a lot of credibility.

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    • Just do the F2P and B2P games like the rest of the normal community is.

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    • And I was looking forward to all the new games on the Next Gen consoles...

      I'll get a gaming computer instead.

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    • You'll enjoy it a lot better, lol.  I do.  And I've been an avid console gamer for years.

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    • WHAT THE HELL???? I HOPE WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE SUBSCRIPTIONS BURNS IN ALDUIN'S BELLY! DUdes they are making a second world of warcraft, a major factor that kept ESO ina vision of godhood was that lack of subscription, they're going to go down Blizzard's path and get complaints about monthly subsciption, roughly a third of Elder Scrolls players are teens like me who don't have acess to a credit card and even more parents who say no to subs

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    • Sajutsu wrote:
      WHAT THE HELL???? I HOPE WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE SUBSCRIPTIONS BURNS IN ALDUIN'S BELLY! DUdes they are making a second world of warcraft, a major factor that kept ESO ina vision of godhood was that lack of subscription, they're going to go down Blizzard's path and get complaints about monthly subsciption, roughly a third of Elder Scrolls players are teens like me who don't have acess to a credit card and even more parents who say no to subs

      Or Console gamers that they're gonna try to sell the game to, who have never had to pay a sub for a game and wont be willing to. 

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    • ZakMarcus wrote:
      Sajutsu wrote:
      WHAT THE HELL???? I HOPE WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE SUBSCRIPTIONS BURNS IN ALDUIN'S BELLY! DUdes they are making a second world of warcraft, a major factor that kept ESO ina vision of godhood was that lack of subscription, they're going to go down Blizzard's path and get complaints about monthly subsciption, roughly a third of Elder Scrolls players are teens like me who don't have acess to a credit card and even more parents who say no to subs
      Or Console gamers that they're gonna try to sell the game to, who have never had to pay a sub for a game and wont be willing to. 

      Especially since they now all require payment to play online. Stupid PS+.

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    • Pickleseller wrote:
      ZakMarcus wrote:
      Sajutsu wrote:
      WHAT THE HELL???? I HOPE WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE SUBSCRIPTIONS BURNS IN ALDUIN'S BELLY! DUdes they are making a second world of warcraft, a major factor that kept ESO ina vision of godhood was that lack of subscription, they're going to go down Blizzard's path and get complaints about monthly subsciption, roughly a third of Elder Scrolls players are teens like me who don't have acess to a credit card and even more parents who say no to subs
      Or Console gamers that they're gonna try to sell the game to, who have never had to pay a sub for a game and wont be willing to. 
      Especially since they now all require payment to play online. Stupid PS+.

      Well, I can understand why they did it. Whether you like MS or not, XBLive is the superior service simply becaues they charge for it, which equals better a service and customer support. So now that they're charging, I have high hopes for PSN. But that doesn't change the fact that I'm not gonna pay a sub on top of PSN or XBLive.

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    • This will teach them to make Fallout Online b2p, and not subscription

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    • Th3Antioch wrote:
      This will teach them to make Fallout Online b2p, and not subscription

      If we ever get to play Fallout Online. 

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    • 'a few months ago'

      My name is Mr 'big zenimax guy', and I want to make ESO cater towards two types of players: elder scrolls fans and MMO fans.

      'a couple of days ago'

      My name is Mr 'big Zenimax guy' and we're only going to cater to mmo fans. That's right, RPG fans who expect to pay for a game and continue to play it have been- that's right, completely shafted! but, we know we can't fail because we know the average MMO player manages to fork out hundreds of pounds for subscription despite playing too many games to be abl;le to work. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

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    • I am an MMO fan and I refuse to pay a monthly fee.  It's rediculous and uncalled for, it isn't what the industry is doing right now.  Goodbye ESO, hello SWTOR problem all over again, not to mention the number of subscribers WoW has lost in the past few years is half the number from their peak days.  Nobody is paying for MMOs anymore, it's just not required, lol. 

      As for Fallout Online, Bethesda officially owns IP to that, but ZeniMax Studios parent-head could decide to give it to ZeniMax Online and just use all the same engines and models and base hardware/software.  If they do that, it means they deemed ESO a success and Fallout Online would end up being a Pay to Play model as well. 

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    • Yeah, no. Being a young gamer myself, I have no access to credit cards. My family is NOT full of money. I only get xbox live for my birthday, Christmas, and when we can. Not only do you have to buy the game, you have to pay for it monthly too? I was already skeptical about this, and now I won't even buy it. I felt like ESO, was to cater to those who wanted multiplayer out of Skyrim. This was a dickmove, honestly. Especially, since I have other things to ask for. Like more memory for my xbox, since it only has 2.2 gb left. There is an extent to greediness. Plus, there would probably be dlcs. Which would rake in more cash, and maybe cash items? I don't really like those, but they cater to those who have the money for 'em. Anyways, I'll just wait for the Elder Scrolls Six, because It WILL come. Right? RIGHT? >:(

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    • AmateurIsMyGame wrote:
      Yeah, no. Being a young gamer myself, I have no access to credit cards. My family is NOT full of money. I only get xbox live for my birthday, Christmas, and when we can. Not only do you have to buy the game, you have to pay for it monthly too? I was already skeptical about this, and now I won't even buy it. I felt like ESO, was to cater to those who wanted multiplayer out of Skyrim. This was a dickmove, honestly. Especially, since I have other things to ask for. Like more memory for my xbox, since it only has 2.2 gb left. There is an extent to greediness. Plus, there would probably be dlcs. Which would rake in more cash, and maybe cash items? I don't really like those, but they cater to those who have the money for 'em. Anyways, I'll just wait for the Elder Scrolls Six, because It WILL come. Right? RIGHT? >:(


      I agree with you. I was looking foward to ESO, but now I won't even bother. Sigh. Back to Skyrim for me, then.

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    • I will still get it and play it for maybe atleast a couple of months. But £9 per month is a lot considering I could just got get another game for that much. I wonder, what will happen to PS4 players? If I require a payment for PS+ as well as the subscription then I will be an unhappy person indeed.

      And everyone, don't worry about not being able to play it in the near future, a couple of months after release it will be forced to be Free-to-play. Most MMO's are.

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    • The problem is that MMOs that make the jump from sub to B2P or F2P end up sucking because they have to let a lot of staff go.  It sows the seeds of mistrust in the IP.  I'll play it when/if if makes the drop, but probably not for very long.

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    • That price needs to be seriously diminished.Over here,that is what we pay for physical media.Skyrim had already a hulla ton of players.The Elder Scrolls is one of the series with the most number of awards aside from other important stuff.Come on,Online can't ruin the series!Do their staff see the Bethesda Forums?

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    • As it's ZeniMax Online's call, probably not.  They also are most likely assuming that people will complain and then just pay anyway.  ZeniMax is assuming, also, that we are going to fall in line just because it's TES . . . and if it were Bethesda, whom we trust with out TES lives, maybe we would.  However, it's not Bethesda, it's ZeniMax Online who doesn't have any major titles and multi-award winning franchises, so we don't know if it's truly worth it. 

      I think a drop from $15 to $5 a month and a small cash shop would do them just fine.  It has the benifit of keeping them subscription based (which would keep my respect for them since they fought so hard to reasonably explain their choice) and making it more affordable for the average gamer.  Supporting it further with simple MTs means that they can have added cash flow.

      What good is $15 a month if two thirds of your potential gamers are leaving the race?

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    • I already knew that this would happen *Sigh* But they ain't got no chance with p2p. SW: ToR didn't, so I guess ESO won't either.

      After WoW's approaching death then perhaps...

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      The problem is that MMOs that make the jump from sub to B2P or F2P end up sucking because they have to let a lot of staff go.  It sows the seeds of mistrust in the IP.  I'll play it when/if if makes the drop, but probably not for very long.

      SWTOR does NOT suck! some of the restrictions on f2p'ers do, but it's still a great game.

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    • I subscribe to SWTOR anyway :p

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    • In it's own right, it has a lot of great aspects, as a whole I don't enjoy the game enough to keep it downloaded, lol.  Also, SWTOR is a completely different set of circumstances.  It closed servers because it had too many, it trusted the public to understand that and did this openly, they couldn't understand it and fled the MMO.  In turn SWTOR was forced to drop to F2P, it wasn't their choice.  Their bad decision was openly shutting down servers istead of quietly merging them like WoW has been doing for a couple years.

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    • Psijjy, they did merge the servers. Players on servers that were shut down were transferred to the main pvp/pve/rp server in their region.

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    • That's what I said . . . kind of.  The issue is that they didn't do it quietly.  Openly shutting down servers is a deathnail for an MMO, it's a sign that it's dying.  This made a lot of people nervous and they jumped ship.

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    • I'm actually glad they did the whole server switch thing... I went on a server where I was the only person on it, and that was a big mistake. Still, ESO has only one megaserver, which is irrelevant now as very few people are going to buy it.

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    • Honestly, when it comes to the gameplay shown the game looks very poor. I am buying it as any game is fun with friends in my opinion and TES is one of my favorite series'. And with the added price it is becoming worse and worse.

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    • It costs $60 to have your cake, and another $15 every bite. It just seems a little overkill, doesn't it? You have to pay $60 for the right to pay $15 a month.

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    • It's an archaic model, and I understand that when they thought they had a lot of people ready to play that it made sense, but when you make an announcement and lose half to two thirds of your potential players what good is that?

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      It's an archaic model, and I understand that when they thought they had a lot of people ready to play that it made sense, but when you make an announcement and lose half to two thirds of your potential players what good is that?

      I've been telling everyone to hound their FB and twitter. Let's get em to pull a microsoft. 

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    • If they back out 100% on it now, they've got no backbone.  I'll lose all respect for them at that point.  They need to leave it Pay to Play at this point, but lower the cost and add a small cash shop.  A compromise to regain the support would be more appropriate than an all out backpeddle.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      If they back out 100% on it now, they've got no backbone.  I'll lose all respect for them at that point.  They need to leave it Pay to Play at this point, but lower the cost and add a small cash shop.  A compromise to regain the support would be more appropriate than an all out backpeddle.

      I could deal with $5/month. Maybe do a version of the game for 100-110 bucks that has a year prepaid. That seems pretty fair. 

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    • Update from Zenimax (Not really):

      - TESO will have a daily fee of only £40!

      - DLC announced! From day 1 you will be able to purchase Horse Armour from only £100!

      - Buy a season pass for only £100,000,000 and get all 2 Horse Armour DLCs for free!

      - Pre-order the Ultimate Extra Collector's edition and get the Imperial race! Let it remind you of Zenimax's corporate empire!

      - Orcs are banned from mega-server.

      - Mega-server announced to hold an amazing 10 players!

      - 2 New alliances! Join the Alliance and Horde today!

      - Play Station + and Xbox live required for all players. (Even PC players for some reason.)

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    • I love the Orcs bannedfrom Mega-server announcement, that's priceless!

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    • @UselessArgonianMage (great username btw) funny post, but wont you need PSN sub and XBLive sub to play anything online on the consoles? 

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    • ZakMarcus wrote:
      @UselessArgonianMage (great username btw) funny post, but wont you need PSN sub and XBLive sub to play anything online on the consoles? 

      I don't know about Xbox One but with PS4 the developer gets to choose whether PS+ or Xbox Live is required for online play.

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      ZakMarcus wrote:
      @UselessArgonianMage (great username btw) funny post, but wont you need PSN sub and XBLive sub to play anything online on the consoles? 
      I don't know about Xbox One but with PS4 the developer gets to choose whether PS+ or Xbox Live is required for online play.

      Really? I had no idea.

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    • Yeah its up to the developer with the PS4 having to have Plus but the Xbone you have to pay for Live to play on-line (like it is on the 360 now) thats how it was last i heared anyway.

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    • AzuraKnight wrote:
      Yeah its up to the developer with the PS4 having to have Plus but the Xbone you have to pay for Live to play on-line (like it is on the 360 now) thats how it was last i heared anyway.

      Yeah, on the PS3, but they're getting rid of PS+ and changing the entire PSN to subscription once the PS4 rolls out. 

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    • The way I understood what has been batted around, and take heed that I am not a console gamers for the past three years so I don't keep up like I used to, is that if you want to play online via console it will cost no matter which service you use.  The difference being that PS+ will be cheaper and probably won't end up making you feel sad about stupid announcements.

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    • PsijicThief
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      Misquoting and sexual references not required for conversation at hand
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      UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      Update from Zenimax (Not really):

      - TESO will have a daily fee of only £40!

      - DLC announced! From day 1 you will be able to purchase Horse Armour from only £100!

      - Buy a season pass for only £100,000,000 and get all 2 Horse Armour DLCs for free!

      - Pre-order the Ultimate Extra Collector's edition and get the Imperial race! Let it remind you of Zenimax's corporate empire!

      -Boobies!

      - Orcs are banned from mega-server.

      - Mega-server announced to hold an amazing 10 players!

      - 2 New alliances! Join the Alliance and Horde today!

      - Play Station + and Xbox live required for all players. (Even PC players for some reason?


      sounds about right.

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    • J.M 

      ive been a loyal fan since daggerfall and this is how they repay me  

      MAY THEY ROT IN OBLIVION

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    • Don't lose hope for Bethesda, it is Zenimax doing it. Plus, Bethesda have done bad things in the past. Like publish Brink for example, so if you haven't lost your loyalty for them at that point then you shouldn't now since they aren't even the ones to blame.

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      Don't lose hope for Bethesda, it is Zenimax doing it. Plus, Bethesda have done bad things in the past. Like publish Brink for example, so if you haven't lost your loyalty for them at that point then you shouldn't now since they aren't even the ones to blame.

      I thought everyone had agreed to pretend Brink never happend. 

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    • Seems like a lot of people have suddenly decided against Online now. I'm guessing Zenimax will have to address this at some point.

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    • New article on the Escapist here apparently they made it subscription to make sure everyone pays the same and gets all the content, so unlike what i expected with the Dark Brotherhood  and Thieves Guild (15 hour questline's) will not cost more when they're added later on.

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    • AzuraKnight wrote:
      New article on the Escapist here apparently they made it subscription to make sure everyone pays the same and gets all the content, so unlike what i expected with the Dark Brotherhood  and Thieves Guild (15 hour questline's) will not cost more when they're added later on.

      Still, the price is too high for some areas of the world, and the fact remains that a large percentage of gamers will either find that statement an excuse, or ignore it completely.

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    • TESO will cost approx £150 to play for a year. Not counting microtransactions.

      http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/23/the-elder-scrolls-online-will-have-microtransactions/

      Zenimax: "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL FUCK YOU TES FANS! LOLOLOLOLOL."

      Ok, that's a bit much. But, Zenimax, are you being serious or do you just have the worst business model since anything that has ever existed? Pay-to-play, subscription and Microtransactions? You've gone too far Zenimax.

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    • Whoawhoawhoa, microtransactions too?! I thought it was just B2P and P2P, not...seriously Zenimax. Not another SWTOR

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    • An upfront cost to buy the game, a sub cost, AND microtransactions?


      Removed red link

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    • Maybe this is all an intense and drawn out April Fools joke for 2014?  The game releases in Spring after all, at the last minute ZeniMax will remove the blindfold and all will be right with the world again!!

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    • Ha ha your funny I like you Psijic! No really they made this choice and they are keeping it... Hey Forum Goers! Grab your incinerate spells and Daedric Swords we're going to burn down ZeniMax!

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    • Psijjy, you've gone completely insane. Like somone in a ravaged, devastated world pretending to themselves that everything is going to be OK.

      KUDOS MY MEME, PSIJJY, OR I'LL SLAP YOU UPSIDE THE HEAD WITH A NOTCHED PICKAXE

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    • I can't even see your meme on the computer I'm on at work, the pic is just an empty box.

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    • Update 2 from Zenimax:

      - Subscription now £50 an hour!

      - Purchase levels and gold with Microtransactions!

      - Unlimited Daedric Artifacts, use a Wabbajack on a Wabbajack which is wabbajacking your friend who has the Wabbajack!

      - Capture the White-Gold Tower and become so OP that even the Admins can't beat you!

      - New class announced! Become a Jedi today!

      - Redguards banned from Mega-server.

      - Instakill people who are not as high leveled as you and camp their spawn point!

      - Events announced! 12th of May is Zenimax day, worship Zenimax with a donation!

      - Money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money!

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    • As much as I agree and enjoy, UAM, please refrain from too many of these.  It might encourage other's to try and they will take it too far (as one tried already).

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    • It... was a joke... I was pretending to be insane, it was meant to be ironic...

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    • I wasn't naming names or pointing fingers, and it was the random body parts that were called out that made me feel like it had to go.

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    • random body parts?

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    • looks like one of the admins took it down. guess I should have just used a link. meh, lesson learned.

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    • I won't be buying ESO now, I hope ZOS and Bethesda evaluate their fatal mistake and correct it. If they do, then I might rethink walking away from it but for as long as this pay to play nonsense is in place, I hv no plans for ESO

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    • I hope people stop blaming Bethesda soon, as they aren't all that involved in ESO.

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    • 77.98.162.187 wrote:
      I won't be buying ESO now, I hope ZOS and Bethesda evaluate their fatal mistake and correct it. If they do, then I might rethink walking away from it but for as long as this pay to play nonsense is in place, I hv no plans for ESO

      IT IS NOT BETHESDA.

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      77.98.162.187 wrote:
      I won't be buying ESO now, I hope ZOS and Bethesda evaluate their fatal mistake and correct it. If they do, then I might rethink walking away from it but for as long as this pay to play nonsense is in place, I hv no plans for ESO
      IT IS NOT BETHESDA.

      It is actually Bethesda Softworks publishing the game. (important note: not the same thing as Bethesda Game Studios) I think that's who they meant. 

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    • ZakMarcus wrote:
      UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      77.98.162.187 wrote:
      I won't be buying ESO now, I hope ZOS and Bethesda evaluate their fatal mistake and correct it. If they do, then I might rethink walking away from it but for as long as this pay to play nonsense is in place, I hv no plans for ESO
      IT IS NOT BETHESDA.
      It is actually Bethesda Softworks publishing the game. (important note: not the same thing as Bethesda Game Studios) I think that's who they meant. 

      Wikipedia: "Bethesda Softworks, LLC, is an American video game publisher. A subsidiary of ZeniMax Media"  Bethesda Softworks is really just a name used as it sounds better then Zenimax Media, Zenimax Media are the ones actually doing it. Zenimax Media has all the money and power, they even have iD Software.

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    • One can hope they're that informed, but most players aren't, so it's safer to say that it's just ZeniMax for the average internet user and gamer.  I know it may sounds like I'm dumbing it down for people or think very little of them - and that's kind of true - but I don't want people to think down on the single-player TES chapters because of poor choices made by a sister company using the same IP.  It wouldn't be fair to them, and I think it's more the dev studio making this choice over the publishers.  At least the "reasoning" (or excuses if you like that word better) makes it seem that way.  So even if we work with it being Bethesda Softworks, we can assume it's still ZeniMax's fault, lol.

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    • You'd think ZeniMax and Bethesda make enough money anyway. Why try and get rid of your loyal fans with these ridiculous fees? £50 to buy the game plus £10 a month on top of the £30 for PSN for a year? I'm not so sure i want this anymore.

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    • They aren't trying to get rid of the fans, they're trying to pay for things the fans want.  The problem is all the console fans are already paying too much to be able to subscribe, too.  Internet+Online Service+Game Fee = way too much!  Then you have the folks on PC that just can't afford that much or have no desire to pay at all.  If they drop the price per month I can see it being okay, and I can definitely see the need for the small cash shop (if it's like $5 a month instead of $15) to help support the community. 

      $15 a month guaranteed from 300,000 people versus $5 a month guaranteed from 1,000,000 people with an infinite possible amount of microtransactions?  The choice should be obvious.

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    • More news if anyone cares on The Escapist the game is planned to have new content added at least every six weeks for five years.

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    • AzuraKnight wrote:
      More news if anyone cares on The Escapist the game is planned to have new content added at least every six weeks for five years.


      That's pretty impressive. Maybe it's worth it.

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    • Jonesy95 wrote:
      AzuraKnight wrote:
      More news if anyone cares on The Escapist the game is planned to have new content added at least every six weeks for five years.

      That's pretty impressive. Maybe it's worth it.

      In my opinion it's still not. Simply because the product they're going to be adding to just doesn't like like that good of a game. It doesn't look bad, just not very good. If it was the exact same game, but set in a different universe, hardly anyone would have heard of it by now. Really they just expect us to shell out the cash because they slapped TES on the title. 

      To be fair, my opinion could change between now and the release, but they're gonna have to do a lot better.

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    • Pickleseller wrote:
      ZakMarcus wrote:
      Sajutsu wrote:
      WHAT THE HELL???? I HOPE WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE SUBSCRIPTIONS BURNS IN ALDUIN'S BELLY! DUdes they are making a second world of warcraft, a major factor that kept ESO ina vision of godhood was that lack of subscription, they're going to go down Blizzard's path and get complaints about monthly subsciption, roughly a third of Elder Scrolls players are teens like me who don't have acess to a credit card and even more parents who say no to subs
      Or Console gamers that they're gonna try to sell the game to, who have never had to pay a sub for a game and wont be willing to. 
      Especially since they now all require payment to play online. Stupid PS+.

      I used to be an Elder Scrolls fan like you, but I took ESO to the wallet.

      Ex-town guard.

      Dear Bethesda,

      I QUIT!

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    • Dick move Zenimax... IF Zenimax had made it one fee I would buy it... But they seemed to think

      "Herp, Derp... WoW is so succesfull on a sub based payment system we will be too!!" And so they did and angered 3/4 of Fandomland... They done fucked up

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    • Hamsterlampglade wrote:
      Dick move Zenimax... IF Zenimax had made it one fee I would buy it... But they seemed to think

      "Herp, Derp... WoW is so succesfull on a sub based payment system we will be too!!" And so they did and angered 3/4 of Fandomland... They done fucked up

      the subscription fee lack on ESO was something I thought would make it the ultimate MMO. now they FUCKED UP our trust. all of us.

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    • I think the issue with the possible content they'll be adding ever six weeks, is that it's probably small-time stuff like Guild Wars does.  But here's the thing about the current market, even WoW is adding a cash shop into their game and leaving the subscription.  When you lose half your customer base (like WoW did) you have to make up for the money lost.  However, if you had simply said (using round numbers) "Gee, $15 a month from 300 people is $4500, but if we drop it to $5 we could have 1000 paying $5000 and we can make extra on some great cash shop items!"

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      I think the issue with the possible content they'll be adding ever six weeks, is that it's probably small-time stuff like Guild Wars does.  But here's the thing about the current market, even WoW is adding a cash shop into their game and leaving the subscription.  When you lose half your customer base (like WoW did) you have to make up for the money lost.  However, if you had simply said (using round numbers) "Gee, $15 a month from 300 people is $4500, but if we drop it to $5 we could have 1000 paying $5000 and we can make extra on some great cash shop items!"

      We meet again Psijic Thief.

      IM just gonna skip ESO and wait fElder Scrolls 7

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    • Sajutsu wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      I think the issue with the possible content they'll be adding ever six weeks, is that it's probably small-time stuff like Guild Wars does.  But here's the thing about the current market, even WoW is adding a cash shop into their game and leaving the subscription.  When you lose half your customer base (like WoW did) you have to make up for the money lost.  However, if you had simply said (using round numbers) "Gee, $15 a month from 300 people is $4500, but if we drop it to $5 we could have 1000 paying $5000 and we can make extra on some great cash shop items!"
      We meet again Psijic Thief.

      IM just gonna skip ESO and wait fElder Scrolls 7

      Why would you skip 6?

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    • Pickleseller wrote:
      Sajutsu wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      I think the issue with the possible content they'll be adding ever six weeks, is that it's probably small-time stuff like Guild Wars does.  But here's the thing about the current market, even WoW is adding a cash shop into their game and leaving the subscription.  When you lose half your customer base (like WoW did) you have to make up for the money lost.  However, if you had simply said (using round numbers) "Gee, $15 a month from 300 people is $4500, but if we drop it to $5 we could have 1000 paying $5000 and we can make extra on some great cash shop items!"
      We meet again Psijic Thief.

      IM just gonna skip ESO and wait fElder Scrolls 7

      Why would you skip 6?

      AS much as I hate to admit it Online is 6

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    • That's like saying Skyrim is 11 since there were also Battlespire, Redguard, Stormhold, Dawnstar, Shadowkey and the other Oblivion.

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    • Online is not chapter six.  It's not even made by the same Dev Studio.  Online is helping fill the gap between five and six because Bethesda take a while to make a game, and they have other IPs to work on.  They need time to create the story and fill in holes and figure lore direction and all of that fun stuff.  They need to decide what happens to the factions, but they do not need to hang around and wait for Online to be finished to make the next chapter.  As I have stated on countless threads:

      ZeniMax Studios openly and forewardly stated that the reason for going with ZeniMax Online in making ESO was to allow for Bethesda to continue forward in their story telling without interrupting, or being interrupted by, Elder Scrolls Online.  This also separates the two games should anything negative happen to ESO, meaning that it shouldn't have any hard consequences on the chapters of TES that we know and love, and will come to know and love.

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    • Yeah ESO is not TES VI, it's a spin off.  That's been confirmed and re-confirmed about 10trillion times.

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    • ZakMarcus wrote:
      Jonesy95 wrote:
      AzuraKnight wrote:
      More news if anyone cares on The Escapist the game is planned to have new content added at least every six weeks for five years.

      That's pretty impressive. Maybe it's worth it.
      In my opinion it's still not. Simply because the product they're going to be adding to just doesn't like like that good of a game. It doesn't look bad, just not very good. If it was the exact same game, but set in a different universe, hardly anyone would have heard of it by now. Really they just expect us to shell out the cash because they slapped TES on the title. 

      To be fair, my opinion could change between now and the release, but they're gonna have to do a lot better.


      You might be right. I'm curious to see what happens now when it launches, as well as further down the track.

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    • Matt Firor deserves to be fired

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    • 198.228.201.167 wrote:
      Matt Firor deserves to be fired

      Everybody kudos this message!

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    • 198.228.201.167 wrote:
      Matt Firor deserves to be fired

      Yes.

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    • This is going to be a great game, but i'm not buying it, no chance. The game itself plus the money you have to pay to play online, are about 220€ for the first year. Just think at how many things you can do with 220€, even if you spend it on videogames you could still have like 15 games on Steam. That's a sad move from Zenimax, this was the game i was looking forward the most, but huh, i guess i'll just wait for TES VI

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    • I heard that their going to have better stuff in TES IV like spears... Cloaks masks... Fixing the damn Khajiit full helmet thing

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    • I agree. I honestly don't have that kind of money. I'll also wait for Elder Scrolls: VI. Plus, I like a single player experience more. Just my thing.

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    • Single player is great. I hate the idea of multiplayer. Imaging everyone in your lobby using daedric armor and daedric weapons. 

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    • Gah... Kind've like in RDR... I once had everyone with the High Powered Pistol (Best Pistol) and the Buffalo Rifle (Best Rifle)

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    • This makes me so freaking pissed.

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    • RDR is Strange. I have nat type 1 and it kicks out every player who has not got the same nat type as me. 

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    • I would have paid a subscription, but not on top of an upfront fee and a cash shop.

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    • I think that since they are doing microtransations Zemimax should scap the pay to play idea and make it free for all users. 

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    • I love the idea of not having paygates, I really really do. Any word on how many characters the $15 fee would support?  For example- my husband and I are both interested in ESO.  If we have to pay $15 a month each ($300 a year total) to be able to play than that it just way too much.  If $15/month is a household subscription then maybe I won't take it as harshly. Or are they going to offer any recruitment perks?

      I'm really not sure enough though went into this.  How much analysis of the annual income of players did Zenimax do?  Also---did they consider the current world economy?  Hopefully they'll develop some kind of discount system- pay 3 months get a 4th month free kind of a thing.

      Pretty good article here over at Polygon, particulary the SW reference at the end

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    • The $15 is per license of the game.  Or, to put it another way, per account.  So if you want to play at the same time as your husband you'll need two accounts.  And that's going to be $15 per account per month.  They did say that if you pay for multiple months that you'll get a discount, but that'll probably only equate to about $10-12 each month. 

      Everyone is making SWTOR references to this game and it's choices.  I have seen a huge outcry from all the fans about this.  I only know about three people personally that are willing to make this payment.

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    • I might still get it. Probably not though.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      The $15 is per license of the game.  Or, to put it another way, per account.  So if you want to play at the same time as your husband you'll need two accounts.  And that's going to be $15 per account per month.  They did say that if you pay for multiple months that you'll get a discount, but that'll probably only equate to about $10-12 each month. 

      Everyone is making SWTOR references to this game and it's choices.  I have seen a huge outcry from all the fans about this.  I only know about three people personally that are willing to make this payment.

      Well the reason we keep seeing comparrisons to SWTOR is because that game is a perfect example of how a subscription model can ruin an otherwise decent, solid game. They bounced back a little after they went F2P, but even that didn't help that much. Mostly because their F2P model is pretty terrible.

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    • The thing is, the reason SWTOR needed to go F2P was because of server issues.  They opened too many on the front side and had to close a bunch down, something being avoided these days by using unified server technologies (Mega-Server in the case of ESO).  SWTOR was also released at a time when Pay to Play models were still viable (a la Rift to name one).  So the constant comparison is actually a little bit of a misnomer, in my opinion.  I'm not saying that there aren't some (SOME) similarities, but it's a different game with different choices taking different paths.  I think ESO will make some money, and I think it'll eventually drop the sub-based model, but they can't do it and keep the respect of the players for at least three to five years (see my most recent blog for ideas on the best compromise).

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    • More news according to BlisteredThumbs here apparently Peter Hines is trying to get the XBox Live Gold requirement removed for playing ESO on the XBone.

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    • AzuraKnight wrote:
      More news according to BlisteredThumbs here apparently Peter Hines is trying to get the XBox Live Gold requirement removed for playing ESO on the XBone.

      Whether they do or not is irrelevant. Most people will have Xbox Live Gold/Play Station Plus either way due to the fact that other games do infact exist. So it will be the price of online + Subscription either way. So, due to the fact that most people aren't made of money (Trust me they are made of flesh) then we have a choice,

      One MMO, or Online access for a whole spectrum of various games.

      I know what I'll pick.

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    • I have avoided this conversation, largely because I am in the minority, I predict that within 6 months ESO will be F2P in one way or another. This decision was made purely from a business standpoint, the board most likely wants a guranteed return on their investment. This game has been in development for several years. I personally had no opinion on which way they decided to go, one way or another it will be F2P and I will be there playing it regardless.

      Not comparing this directly to SWTOR, however being there for launch that game got the same outcry of "OMG P2P I will not buy" however over a million people were there paying 60 bucks or more for just one month on launch day, and only ever dropping to I think 500k subscribers . I am not sure about the exact numbers but I am fairly certain this is a fair ball park figure. From a business stand point this brought them back to a break even point.

      I was there for SWTOR from launch till it became boring and not longer worth my money, I did not go back when it became F2P because it still lacks what I am looking for. If it had been F2P from the get go I still would not have been there.

      I think ESO will take a path of its own, I personally hope it will evolve into a cosmetic cash shop with F2P and charging for big expansions, not the cash gates of SWTOR.

      If it stays P2P I hope it will drop to 5-9.99 a month that just seems more fair, especially for those already paying for the use of console services.

      That itself is a different issue, I know it seems unfair to charge console gamers. If you are paying for two services on the console that may suck yes, however it is fair I think. Why should console gamers have to pay less to the people running the servers just because they are already paying to Sony/Microsoft, that money does not go to Zenimax. It is just a huge disadvantage to playing on console, such is life.

      I know I may sound a bit harsh, but this whole conversation has been fairly one sided and I think the majority of gamers out there fall in the middle of this debate.

      That is my 2 cents anyway.

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    • Many console players don't play on PC's because they can't afford a good gaming PC. They are that much less likely to be able to afford double fees (access plus the TES online fee), so they won't play. We guess all the PC elitists will be pleased as punch.

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    • DarthOrc wrote:
      Many console players don't play on PC's because they can't afford a good gaming PC. They are that much less likely to be able to afford double fees (access plus the TES online fee), so they won't play. We guess all the PC elitists will be pleased as punch.

      with a pc you will even have more money in long run beacuse games are much cheaper. however I will not play it because I dont want a online game. I would like a offline rpg again better.

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    • Banneram wrote:
      I have avoided this conversation, largely because I am in the minority, I predict that within 6 months ESO will be F2P in one way or another. This decision was made purely from a business standpoint, the board most likely wants a guranteed return on their investment. This game has been in development for several years. I personally had no opinion on which way they decided to go, one way or another it will be F2P and I will be there playing it regardless.

      Not comparing this directly to SWTOR, however being there for launch that game got the same outcry of "OMG P2P I will not buy" however over a million people were there paying 60 bucks or more for just one month on launch day, and only ever dropping to I think 500k subscribers . I am not sure about the exact numbers but I am fairly certain this is a fair ball park figure. From a business stand point this brought them back to a break even point.

      I was there for SWTOR from launch till it became boring and not longer worth my money, I did not go back when it became F2P because it still lacks what I am looking for. If it had been F2P from the get go I still would not have been there.

      I think ESO will take a path of its own, I personally hope it will evolve into a cosmetic cash shop with F2P and charging for big expansions, not the cash gates of SWTOR.

      If it stays P2P I hope it will drop to 5-9.99 a month that just seems more fair, especially for those already paying for the use of console services.

      That itself is a different issue, I know it seems unfair to charge console gamers. If you are paying for two services on the console that may suck yes, however it is fair I think. Why should console gamers have to pay less to the people running the servers just because they are already paying to Sony/Microsoft, that money does not go to Zenimax. It is just a huge disadvantage to playing on console, such is life.

      I know I may sound a bit harsh, but this whole conversation has been fairly one sided and I think the majority of gamers out there fall in the middle of this debate.

      That is my 2 cents anyway.

      I agree 100%. I will be playing this on a console and the charges dont phase me what so ever. I am a fan of TES series and since Morrowind have been hooked on the frachise. When they anounced they were doing an online version my first thought were halluluia its about time then it occoured to me that it will probly be full of people just running around hacking up any thing that moves. I think TES games are serious games and should be respected. They are not for people who just want to Blitz it in a couple of days and there for I think the fees too play are good in there own right as it will discourage the people who dont take the game as seriously as other. So when I do play this (well after the first 30 days) I know I will be playing the game with people who actually take the game seriously and there for will be able to have a decent time playing it.

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    • Noodles24 wrote:

      Any word on how many characters the $15 fee would support?  For example- my husband and I are both interested in ESO.  If we have to pay $15 a month each ($300 a year total) to be able to play than that it just way too much.  If $15/month is a household subscription then maybe I won't take it as harshly

      They said you can pay a single fee to have as many accounts as you want on a single computer. So if you play on the same computer, you should be fine with one fee

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    • I now think it will be p2p until they make a sizeable return on there investment. 

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    • Dropping business modelstoo early is a risky move.  You'll get a bunch of players back, but the question becomes will they be the kind of players you want.  I play F2P and B2P online games exclusively, and I do spend my fare share of money on the cash shops (not near as much other players, granted) and that makes me the kind of person they want to continue making a profit.  I'm not convinced as of yet that they'll make the drop to B2P once they make overhead.  According to the logic they presented when announcing the P2P model, they will never cover overhead because of the constant updates they'll be making.

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    • Well I am not saying they will drop it immediately once they make overhead, I am saying that is why they are going P2P. They are extremely worried about making overhead, and do not want to take it on faith that F2P will cover it. I personally think they would make it back and then some, however P2P is pretty guaranteed to get them a return on investment at least.

      I am forecasting however that it will be 6 months to a year that they drop to f2p to regain subscribers. This of course depends on if they can actually deliver on significant content consistently, if they can do that then I think they could maintain P2P for a really long time.

      I personally do not think they can keep significant content coming every six weeks. This was Bioware's cardinal sin, they failed to plan for how fast MMO gamers devour content. They had said they expected single player content to satisfy customers for 6 months to a year, it only lasted 2-3 weeks  for a portion of hardcore MMO players. Once this ran out that community began to broadcast how boring and unfinished the end game was. After that happened the community jumped on board with the hardcore gamers saying that the end game was not challenging enough, with far too little content.

      I do not know if this will be a problem, however I realistically doubt they will be able to churn out enough content to satisfy a large enough group, while also balancing the game.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      Dropping business modelstoo early is a risky move.  You'll get a bunch of players back, but the question becomes will they be the kind of players you want.  I play F2P and B2P online games exclusively, and I do spend my fare share of money on the cash shops (not near as much other players, granted) and that makes me the kind of person they want to continue making a profit.  I'm not convinced as of yet that they'll make the drop to B2P once they make overhead.  According to the logic they presented when announcing the P2P model, they will never cover overhead because of the constant updates they'll be making.


      When I was in malta I noticed the the Government had built a lift from the docks to the centre of Velleta. To use the lift you would have to pay 2 euro's both way's However when it made a turn over they are going to make it free to use. 

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    • Alduin1996 wrote:
      PsijicThief wrote:
      Dropping business modelstoo early is a risky move.  You'll get a bunch of players back, but the question becomes will they be the kind of players you want.  I play F2P and B2P online games exclusively, and I do spend my fare share of money on the cash shops (not near as much other players, granted) and that makes me the kind of person they want to continue making a profit.  I'm not convinced as of yet that they'll make the drop to B2P once they make overhead.  According to the logic they presented when announcing the P2P model, they will never cover overhead because of the constant updates they'll be making.

      When I was in malta I noticed the the Government had built a lift from the docks to the centre of Velleta. To use the lift you would have to pay 2 euro's both way's However when it made a turn over they are going to make it free to use. 

      Now, THAT'S smart business.

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    • The lift is rally for people who are old or are to lazy to walk up stairs

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    • While I appreciate the example, it's a completely different item/environment/customer base/industry/etc.  It doesn't exactly compare directly.

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    • It may be different but they still use the same business model.

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    • Well, this thread escalated quickly! [/lame joke]


      However, i see Zenimax/Whoever is making the game is programming both dlcs and microtransactions... no end to their greed

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    • Actually the way they have worded their reasoning you shouldn't be paying for what you're calling DLC - which I assume to be small-medium content patches like Dawnguard and Shivering Isles (what we used to call expansions, but have for some reason lost that word in the current market).  They're saying they don't want you to have major paygates ($60 to buy the game, $40-60 to buy the next expansion, $20-40 to buy small expansions, etc.) and would rather have you pay once for the game and then a steady expense to pay for constant updates every 6-8 weeks.  Offering new content with new thigns going on.  The cash shop is, according to them, going to hold only cosmetic items.  I agree the need for both seems a little odd, and if they must keep them both then the price of the sub needs to drop by ten US, but life is what it is.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
        Offering new content with new thigns going on.

      This part worries me.  I haven't seen an article that expresses what they consider to be "new content."  They could just expand one dungeon and call it good for the next 6 weeks, which is not what I feel most players would deem new content worthy of paying $15 a month.

      In terms of the conversation as a whole- zenimax is not concerned with the type of people playing their games- they're not concerned with if their true elder scrolls fans, or just people hacking through the game likeRealslimcraigey mentioned.  They are simply concerned with people playing the game.  I've heard from folks in the industry (people who work for blizzard) that zenimax really just wants to hit the 3 mil subscriber mark- which is something I could see a company doing, but am not sure that the subscribtion model they've released speaks to that.

      I could see them lowering fees eventually, but it really is simply going to depend on subscriptions- if they have enough people paying the $15 a month they're going to keep at it- on the other hand if they're not making the money they think they should make they might re-evaluate their model and opt for a lower price that would allow more players.

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    • Well, new content can be anything.  If we work on the assumption that they're going to do what Guild Wars has been doing, don't look for major content additions every 6-8 weeks.  You'll see small quest lines and a new dungeon from time to time with a big story arch about every four to six months.  Often these story archs might just tied together previous new content without truly creating anything new in its own right.  This is a very common method across the industry to justify things and still call it "new". 

      And you're right, ESO isn't looking to kill WoW or bring down any other MMO.  They're trying to bring TES to the masses in a new way and give current TES fans a look back as well as a new way to interract together.  They're merging the fan-bases of TES and MMO in order to create this whole new fanbase, and I respect that.  I think enough current MMOers are looking for a new kind of game, one that doesn't mirror the WoW playstyle too much or feel like old D&D, that ESO could eventually stomp out some of the competition.  However, much like you, the subscription worries me in that respect.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      Actually the way they have worded their reasoning you shouldn't be paying for what you're calling DLC - which I assume to be small-medium content patches like Dawnguard and Shivering Isles (what we used to call expansions, but have for some reason lost that word in the current market). 

      They call them DLC's because most are not initally released on disc, if ever, and most that are are bundled several to a disc like the Shivering Isles plus the Knights of the Nine were or are included in an "Ultimate" or "Game of the Year" edition.

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    • Lets hope they don't do a day 1 DLC.

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    • I probably won't get it now.  World of Warcraft took up a lot of my money with the $30.00 subscription for 60 days, and I'm going to college next year so I might not have time

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    • J.M

      i despise zenimax they betraryed my trust i hope THEY BURN IN OBLIVION

      i was so so so looking forward to this game

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    • They haven't betrayed anyone's trust, everyone made speculation about the game.  They didn't even leak information about their business model.  All of my thoughts were based on what most of the industry was doing, I suppose it's still worth a shot to charge people monthly, but it won't riegn me in, that's for sure.

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    • I guess i will just have to wait for TESVI now, for a new Elder Scroll's adventure.

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    • Brunoob wrote:

      Noodles24 wrote:

      Any word on how many characters the $15 fee would support?  For example- my husband and I are both interested in ESO.  If we have to pay $15 a month each ($300 a year total) to be able to play than that it just way too much.  If $15/month is a household subscription then maybe I won't take it as harshly

      They said you can pay a single fee to have as many accounts as you want on a single computer. So if you play on the same computer, you should be fine with one fee

      We doubt you could play more than one person at a time. (That would take quite a computer!)

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    • DarthOrc wrote:

      We doubt you could play more than one person at a time. (That would take quite a computer!)

      You can play with a character, then you log out and log in as another

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    • Brunoob wrote:
      DarthOrc wrote:

      We doubt you could play more than one person at a time. (That would take quite a computer!)

      You can play with a character, then you log out and log in as another

      We (as a team) are well aware of that. That's not the same as both being able to play at the same time as the husband/wife implied they wanted (and what we would want, as well).

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    • Where did "they" say that you can have as many accounts on a single computer as you want?  That doesn't sound right for a subscription based business model.  I think if - IF - you saw/read that somewhere you misunderstood.  Surely they meant you can have as many character as you want on a single account.  Please cite sources for the thing "they" said, if you'd be so kind?

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    • Besides the fact I need to slam out money for growing things.. Such as Sims 4. The Xbox One, the fact that my xbox has no memory left. My amount of money is limited. So, I probably won't be getting it, unfortunely.

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    • Is it illegal for one person to have an account, and for him to let another person make a character on his account, thus eliminating the need to make two accounts?

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    • Well, Evening in Cammy (see what I did, there? lol), in most ToS and EULAs it isn't really against the rules.  Since you and the second person can't be online at the same time, it doesn't truly affect or hurt their sales/profits.  It is a security risk to the account, and therefore is usually strongly frowned upon a basic practice.  I'm sure they'll follow the same user agreements on ESO - but then again I was sure they'd be Buy to Play like the rest of the industry, so what do I know? haha

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    • Too bad, I was anticipating this one, but now I feel like Skyrim might be the last Beth game I buy.

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    • Why would Skyrim be the last game from Bethesda you buy?  Bethesda had nothing to do with the decision on making the game Pay to Play, they aren't even making the game.  It's ultimately thier original IP, but the rights of ESO go to Zenimax Online - a sister company owned by the same parent-head that bought out Bethesda some years ago after a failed game that we generally don't speak of, lol.

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    • ESO is ZeniMax not Bethy Softs...

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    • What do you mean? The Elder Scrolls: VI is coming out, eventually..

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    • In about two or three years-ish there'll be other things like Dragon Age III

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    • I'll just be making new character in Skyrim, continue beta testing Firefall and I just started the pre-alpha stuff for Star Citizen . . . that and World of Tanks on occassion should keep me busy enough until TES: VI comes out.

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    • I have quite a lot of stuff to be busy about. Sims 4, which is going to be freaking amazing. I play mmorpgs as well, so that's a thing. The freaking Xbox One..Like, man.

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    • After I spent an arm and a leg on my computer I've not even bothered following console gaming.  It just doesn't appeal to me any more.  On my computer I haven't bought a physical disk in years, it's wonderful to be able to upgrade computers and just download all my games and walk away for work or to sleep or eat and come back with stuff to play, lol.  At any rate, I think we'll all be finding something else to do for a while.

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    • PsijicThief wrote: Why would Skyrim be the last game from Bethesda you buy?  Bethesda had nothing to do with the decision on making the game Pay to Play, they aren't even making the game.  It's ultimately thier original IP, but the rights of ESO go to Zenimax Online - a sister company owned by the same parent-head that bought out Bethesda some years ago after a failed game that we generally don't speak of, lol.

      Isn't the game being developed by Zenimax and published by Beth? If so, don't they have a say in this? Either way, I am not paying a cent towards ESO.

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    • Yes console gaming can be VERY expensive. But computers always seem to break on me. I have 1,667 viruses on this one, and I wasn't even on porn. Like, what? How do you get all these viruses when the only thing, that really gives them I wasn't on. I generally don't have a lot of money to spend. So I'd rather spend money on something that won't break for a while, if at all. Then something that is almost certain to break. The only downside is no mods, I love mods. 

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    • The development company behind ESO is Zenimax Online and it's being published by Bethesda Softworks.  Whereas TES is a game that is devloped by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks.  Both of the Bethesda companies were bought by ZeniMax before the release of Morrowind.  The business model that was settled upon would have been a joint consensus of Bethesda Softworls, ZeniMax Online and ZeniMax Media (the parent company to the whole thing).

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    • PsijicThief wrote:

      The business model that was settled upon would have been a joint consensus of Bethesda Softworls, ZeniMax Online and ZeniMax Media (the parent company to the whole thing).
      

      So yeah, that brings me back full tilt to not wanting Beth games anymore. Bethsoft Could have declined that correct? And they didn't? Don't they know that this will only piss people off? It is an awful business model as far as the consumer is concerned and isa plague to all MMO's. I realize that they have to make money, but that's like saying you will get more money selling pencils $1,000 each than $1 each, but who in their right mind would buy a thousand dollar pencil?

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    • Also I know the difference between game studios and soft works, but softworks also publishes the Beth games, so I think there needs to be a change in management or Beth game studios should leave. I'm sure another publisher would be happy to hire them.

      Also sorry if I have all of my facts wrong, I did no research prior to this.

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    • Bethesda Softworks only has so much say.  As the publishers they don't get full votes in the matter.  Also, in all fairness, there are subsciption-based games that are very successful (EVE Online), the difference is the content model.  EVE doesn't make you pay for the game or any addittional content, this is mostly because the addittional content comes from the players, primarily.  So if ESO were going to be a sandbox title, they could make the monthly fee work so long as we didn't have to pay for the game up front, or the subsequent expansions.

      However, it's a linear fantasy game.  That means content must come from the developer and that means money.  ZeniMax Online would have told Bethesda Softworks and ZeniMax Media how much money they should need to opperate, then Beth-Soft would have decided on multiple scenarios and models, and it all would have been presented to ZeniMax Media.  Then the three of them (the big wigs, not the devs or the testers or the market research guys) would have come to a joint decision that felt like the lesser of the evils.  So it isn't anything you can blame solely on Beth or Z.M Onine. 

      Not to mention saying that you won't buy an online game is one thing - as I'm saying it.  However, to say that you aren't going to every buy another single-player game by these same companies is a bit far to go.  Deciding on a business model for their first ever venture into the MMO genre isn't anything like making a single-player game.  They aren't going to start charging you monthly to play TES: VI, don't worry.

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    • PsijicThief wrote: Bethesda Softworks only has so much say.  As the publishers they don't get full votes in the matter.  Also, in all fairness, there are subsciption-based games that are very successful (EVE Online), the difference is the content model.  EVE doesn't make you pay for the game or any addittional content, this is mostly because the addittional content comes from the players, primarily.  So if ESO were going to be a sandbox title, they could make the monthly fee work so long as we didn't have to pay for the game up front, or the subsequent expansions.

      However, it's a linear fantasy game.  That means content must come from the developer and that means money.  ZeniMax Online would have told Bethesda Softworks and ZeniMax Media how much money they should need to opperate, then Beth-Soft would have decided on multiple scenarios and models, and it all would have been presented to ZeniMax Media.  Then the three of them (the big wigs, not the devs or the testers or the market research guys) would have come to a joint decision that felt like the lesser of the evils.  So it isn't anything you can blame solely on Beth or Z.M Onine. 

      Not to mention saying that you won't buy an online game is one thing - as I'm saying it.  However, to say that you aren't going to every buy another single-player game by these same companies is a bit far to go.  Deciding on a business model for their first ever venture into the MMO genre isn't anything like making a single-player game.  They aren't going to start charging you monthly to play TES: VI, don't worry.

      Thanks for clearing that up. Also, I am sure that no matter what happens with the MMO or whatever I say, I'm still going to get the next Fallout/TES game, but sometimes it feels good to complain :P

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    • I love complaining, and I can throw a pretty good bitch-fit - just ask my fiance, lol.  I can honestly say that I am very much looking forward to the next TES chapter as well as another Fallout.

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    • AmateurIsMyGame wrote:
      Yes console gaming can be VERY expensive. But computers always seem to break on me. I have 1,667 viruses on this one, and I wasn't even on porn. Like, what? How do you get all these viruses when the only thing, that really gives them I wasn't on. I generally don't have a lot of money to spend. So I'd rather spend money on something that won't break for a while, if at all. Then something that is almost certain to break. The only downside is no mods, I love mods. 

      Viruses can come from almost anywhere, avoiding porn sites is no longer an effective safety measure. Consoles that are on line can be attacked as well.

      As for having them break, PC's are like cars; you have to maintain them. Cars have air and oil filters, PC's have antivirus programs like Avast. Fail to service either and a breakdown is inevitable. There are other things that are analogous; on a car you change the oil and (if water cooled), flush the radiator and put in new coolant/antifreeze on a regular basis. On a PC you de-frag the hard drive, open the case and blow out the dust from the cooling fans/fins, etc.
      Finally, pay attention to the power your PC is getting. Using a non-interuptable power supply that is also a surge supressor and "filters" the power to your PC is almost mandatory, especially if lightning is common as it is where we live.

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      1. agree #ditto - haha.  I broke the rule of UPS (Uninteruptable Power Supply) and paid for it.  I only just recently got my computer back up to speed.  Avast is a great free anti-virus, they have a paid version that I only suggest getting if you do a lot of extra downloads and the sort.  If all your downloading would come from Steam and the occassional mod for a game from sites like Curse (or through their client) then free should suffice for you.  Also, any pop-up can house malicious software these days and the best way to get rid of a pop-up isn't to close it with your mouse.  Some of these virus coders are pretty good and actually code the window options (minimize, close, etc.) as flash-downloads just like the content of the "advert" you are looking at.  The best way to close a pop-up is to have the window selected from the taskbar and do the trusted ALT+F4 to close window. 
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    • AmateurIsMyGame wrote:
      Yes console gaming can be VERY expensive. But computers always seem to break on me. I have 1,667 viruses on this one, and I wasn't even on porn. Like, what? How do you get all these viruses when the only thing, that really gives them I wasn't on. I generally don't have a lot of money to spend. So I'd rather spend money on something that won't break for a while, if at all. Then something that is almost certain to break. The only downside is no mods, I love mods. 

      P0RN isn't the only thing that gives you viruses. phishing sites claiming to give you wow for free, trojan antivirus programs, etc. Ever downloaded a program that claims to give your facebook page a skyrim/halo background? Yeah, don't.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      I just started the pre-alpha stuff for Star Citizen . . . 

      Star citizen? hmmmm...

      Looked it up and I have 3 words to say.

      NEED.

      THIS.

      GAME.

      how did you get the pre-alpha?

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    • cool

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    • If you go to their community site you can back them (give money and be part of the crowd funding) and get a free ship as well as the game at release and alpha/beta access.  I'll toss a link directly following this post, The $40.00 package (found by going to the "Store" dropdown at the top of the page, then following the "Pledge" link, and "New Backers" on the side bar of that page) is the Digital Mercenary and is the best starter package if you don't want to spend extra money.  The Wallet Vote is a powerful thing and this game is working towards $17 million from pure crowd funding.  It says a lot that they can make a game with AAA quality without the backing of a single publisher.

      Community Site Link

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    • Is the package system just a glorified donation box? because there's a part of me that wants to absolutely refuse to play a game where 'space marshal' rank can be bought for 5K dollars.

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    • Without going too far into detail, the game is completely and utterly living.  There isn't a skill-system with classes and such, all the ships are the same at the start and you can buy (in-game) better equipment.  However, if you blow up it's gone.  It has a system that borrows on perma-death by implementing a Last Will and Testament kind of system into the game.  You create a new character after your current character can't take another beating or any more bio-engineered body parts, you'll have to read up on it for it to make more sense.  The ships you get aren't worth the money you put forth, in all reality, they're just gifts you get for putting forth the money.  Even the insurance on the ships only covers he hull, so special equipment needs to be replaced.  It's a living, breathing economy that drives the missions which in turn helps drive the economy.  I would say go to their YouTube channel and watch everything they've put out (except the Wingman's Hangar, those are mostly useless, lol).

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    • 5,000 dollars... Knowing american companies, in the UK it will probanly be £6,000 (despite the fact that 5K dollars is about 3.1K pounds in real money) gat that shit OUTTA here!

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    • What are you referencing to with the five grand?  Presonally, over the course of six or seven months, I've spent $200.00 on donations to the game.  In return for that amount I have three ships with Life Time Insurance (hull only), the full game upon release (including the single player module), three ships, full alpha and beta access, a couple of hull skins that are unique to the pledge shop, and hangar fees paid for on my starting hangar when I get into the game.

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    • https://robertsspaceindustries.com/store/232-space-marshal-lti

      I'm not exactly rolling in the dollah as it is, what with swtor and, y'know, LIFE!

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    • I understand, but I'd stick to the smaller packages, folks that are buying that have way too much free time and excess cash, lol.

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    • It's the principle. I'm uncomfortable playing a game where the microtranses cost up to 500 dollars.

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    • These aren't microtransactions, these are donation packages.  The microtransactions are just now coming up within the game, and they're in line with the normal cash shops that you'll see.  Voyager Direct unter the Store dropdown is the cash shop, and will eventually leave the web site and be in-game only.  The correlation is 1,000 UES (United Earth Credits) per one US dollar.  Like I said above, what you get for the donations are just backer packages.  They're giving you some token gift for giving them money.  And giving them money is allowing them to make a game without going through a major publisher.  Publisher suck the funds out of a game for themselves and marketting purposes.

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    • Indeed, Psith. They aren't microtranses. They're just glorified donation boxes. sorry.

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    • I think I understand your trepidation with giving any money towards this, but if you read over what they've done so far and what they plan to do, plus if you know anything about Chris Roberts and his histroy in the game industry, then you'll see why they need the money.  Skyrim was made with a budget of roughly $14million, Star Citizen is on it's way to $17million with a current stretch goal of $18million.  A good portion of Skyrim's budget didn't even get to go into the game, and not because they had to pay the people, but rather because Bethesda Game Studios had to turn around and pay Bethesda Softworks.  Crowd-funded gaming is the future, in my opinion, and I hope it puts horrid companies like Activision and EA out of business.

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    • definitely EA... I mean with the whole 'Your mom's gonna hate it' spiel I lost faith in them... and paying people to protest Dante's Inferno to raise fanbase is bullshit... I think theres a youtube video by Extra Credits that details it... Aha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3FN3YCwYk

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    • Dammit Psijjy, we've hijacked another thread! one day we'll take over this wiki if we're not careful.

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    • lol

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    • Oh! The original purpose . . . umm . . . ESO Pay to Play is crap! Grrr! I hate ZeniMax, *explative*!

      Haha, maybe I should make an off-topic thread for other MMOs, lol.

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    • Wasn't going to buy the game in the first place. I'll just wait for TES VI

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    • Ironskull14 wrote:
      Wasn't going to buy the game in the first place. I'll just wait for TES VI

      As if there weren't any other TES games to play until then, like Morrowind (which we have only played a little).

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    • Morrowind was okay in my book... The journal pissed me off and so did that one lady who gave you the crappiest instructions ever

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    • Hamsterlampglade wrote:
      Morrowind was okay in my book... The journal pissed me off and so did that one lady who gave you the crappiest instructions ever

      By that one lady do you mean everyone?

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    • I'm very disappointed in this news, but not surprised at all.  If you owned Bethesda, you'd chase the money wouldn't you?  I would, too.

      Why would I want to play an MMO?  I'm a console RPGgirl.  Not the same breed.  I consider gaming my "ME time" and I don't want to interact with a bunch of strangers.  I don't want to pay for an XBOXLive account, and the game AND an additional monthly fee for the joy of being annoyed by children and trolls.  If I wanted that I'd be playing SWOR already.

      Is there really gonna be a TES VI?  Was there a KotOR III?  (Shoot, now that Disney shut down Lucas Arts....)

      Hell in a handbasket, kiddos.  That's where gaming is headed.

      70.124.69.97 09:12, September 7, 2013 (UTC)HelenaHanbazkt

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    • I have just got a response from Zenimax Studios regarding their business model. 

      Please have a look

      http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Alduin1996/Draft_letter_to_Zenimax_Studios_regarding_ESO

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    • PsijicThief
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      Sporkonafork wrote:
      Hamsterlampglade wrote:
      Morrowind was okay in my book... The journal pissed me off and so did that one lady who gave you the crappiest instructions ever
      By that one lady do you mean everyone?

      Kudos to you man, you're so right. However, i highly suggest to play Morrowind to everybody. Except those who don't have any patience. And those who don't want to use the brain in videogames. And those who don't like going around without knowing what to do. And those who don't like challenges. But it's great for everybody else

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    • I just saw the lockpicking system for ESO and it likes rubbish. It is the same system they used for Morrowind and Oblivion. Some of you adept gasmers might say whats the problems. However for people with hand eye coordination issues it is going to be impossible to grasp or master

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    • I found the system they used in Oblivion to be only easy on a controller, the mouse is too sensitive for something like that.  In Morrowind it was all dice roll, completely different and archaic.  However, it would match up with an MMO style.  When they used to hav Lockpicking as a trainable skill in WoW you had to try and fail until you succeeded to level it up and get better.  The down side was time it took, the up side was that you weren't spending money on picks and the sort.  I suppose it'll need some looking in to.

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    • Lockpicking in Morrowind doesn't even exist, it's just use-a-lockpick-and-hope-it-works. I feel the most comfortable with lockpicking in Skyrim, takes skills and it's not as hard as in Oblivion

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    • Like I said, a dice roll mechanic.  It did have a certain amount of skill level involved, but no real personal skill was needed.  I don't think that the Skyrim system would be good to use for an MMO, and most definitely not the Oblivion mechanic.  They'll need something akin to Morrowind or World of Warcraft . . . something in the middle maybe. 

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    • World of Morro-craft...

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      I found the system they used in Oblivion to be only easy on a controller, the mouse is too sensitive for something like that.  In Morrowind it was all dice roll, completely different and archaic.  However, it would match up with an MMO style.  When they used to hav Lockpicking as a trainable skill in WoW you had to try and fail until you succeeded to level it up and get better.  The down side was time it took, the up side was that you weren't spending money on picks and the sort.  I suppose it'll need some looking in to.

      We already knew how to pick locks in Skyrim (using a controller) because we played Fallout 3 and New Vegas  first. It is the same system. Oblivion was harder ('cause us white boys ain't got rhythm).

      What they use in TESOL will be moot as we won't play it as long it has a monthly fee.

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    • So, we have to buy the game, then pay per month, then buy Daedric artifacts with real money to keep up with the pay to win crowd. it's a pitiful attempt to try to make more money

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    • I don't think daedric artifacts are going to keep people upto date. You can use normal weapons to kill enemies 

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    • Deadpool710 wrote:
      So, we have to buy the game, then pay per month, then buy Daedric artifacts with real money to keep up with the pay to win crowd. it's a pitiful attempt to try to make more money

      You can't really make a call on the game being pay to win before we see what the cash shop offers.  It may be 100% cosmetic items, I also doubt they'll sell daedric artifacts on the cash shop, that would be awkwardly retarded, lol.

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    • I agree

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      Deadpool710 wrote:
      So, we have to buy the game, then pay per month, then buy Daedric artifacts with real money to keep up with the pay to win crowd. it's a pitiful attempt to try to make more money
      You can't really make a call on the game being pay to win before we see what the cash shop offers.  It may be 100% cosmetic items, I also doubt they'll sell daedric artifacts on the cash shop, that would be awkwardly retarded, lol.

      Well Bethesda and Zenimax know the rage they sparked amongst their TES fans and they're probably going to put interesting content to lure us back, if they put Akavir in it I will have a hard time resisting, if they put an answer to the enigmatic Dwemer I will not get it because by that point I would scoff at their desperate ways, if they say to get these contents you have to pay I will burn zenimax to the ground.

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    • Okay guys im 14 years old pretty mature for my age and love skyrim but my parents are stingy fuckers -_-" so getting this game is possible for me but a fucking monthly fee of 15$ thats like buying the game every single month all over again just to play online and that is bullshit i would be fine with a 5$ payment since combined with PS+ would make 10$ but combined with PS+ now and the monthly subscription thats fucking 20$ RIGHT THERE just SRSLY?! yeah im not so sure about this game now anyone else agree?

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    • ESO its a pay-to-play? then damn ESO!

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    • Sheogorath Daedric Prince of Madness wrote:
      Okay guys im 14 years old pretty mature for my age and love skyrim but my parents are stingy fuckers -_-" so getting this game is possible for me but a fucking monthly fee of 15$ thats like buying the game every single month all over again just to play online and that is bullshit i would be fine with a 5$ payment since combined with PS+ would make 10$ but combined with PS+ now and the monthly subscription thats fucking 20$ RIGHT THERE just SRSLY?! yeah im not so sure about this game now anyone else agree?

      I agree with you but Im your age and Im getting a job you need a credit card to receive pay.

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    • What most people appearently don't understand is that i can afford 13€ a month. I could afford way more if i had to. Too bad the fee for an year plus the cost of the game adds up to over 200€ for the first year. I could buy 5 games with that, or like 30 on Steam. ESO might be the best game ever but that's way too much

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    • And thinking about it. Console gamers also need to pay heaps of money to even buy the Next Gen consoles.

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    • What person? wrote:
      And thinking about it. Console gamers also need to pay heaps of money to even buy the Next Gen consoles.


      Indeed. You'd be looking at 500-600 for xbox one. PLUS the xbox live fee. PLUS the subscription fee. Add to that, if my wife wanted to play as well, its another fee on top of that.

      And then, you still have to BUY THE GAME ITSELF so that you can get a "free" 30 days. Sigh.

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    • Well, if you don't have a computer that runs it, those can cost more than a next-gen console.  My gaming rig set me back two thousand bucks, so the price arguement on hardware will be vastly dependent upon what you already have.  If you have a computer that can run Oblivion, but not quite Skyrim, then you'll most likely be fine.

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    • Timeoin wrote:


      Indeed. You'd be looking at 500-600 for xbox one. PLUS the xbox live fee. PLUS the subscription fee. Add to that, if my wife wanted to play as well, its another fee on top of that.

      And then, you still have to BUY THE GAME ITSELF so that you can get a "free" 30 days. Sigh.


      it is going to cost a fortune for a game that in my opinion looks rubbish. Graphics remind me Diablo and the combat sytem reminds me of Dynasty Warriors 7. 

      Some of you might disagree and sent me death threats lol but I think oblivion looked better than ESO

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    • Alduin1996 wrote:
      Timeoin wrote:


      Indeed. You'd be looking at 500-600 for xbox one. PLUS the xbox live fee. PLUS the subscription fee. Add to that, if my wife wanted to play as well, its another fee on top of that.

      And then, you still have to BUY THE GAME ITSELF so that you can get a "free" 30 days. Sigh.


      it is going to cost a fortune for a game that in my opinion looks rubbish. Graphics remind me Diablo and the combat sytem reminds me of Dynasty Warriors 7. 

      Some of you might disagree and sent me death threats lol but I think oblivion looked better than ESO

      I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE! Oh, thank you so much Alduin.

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    • When I saw the notifcation I thought it was going to be some fanboy cursing me. 

      Anyway the graphics look outdated and the don't get me started on the class system. 

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    • I had a buddy in one of the recent beta events, he said it felt really forced to play it.  Quest tracking is sub-par, information given is little to none, you have to walk ten miles to each objective only to be side-tracked by another quest.  He said that the classes felt really constrained and bottle-necked, so there wasn't the feeling like you could expand.  He was playing a melee class and said that you can wear whatever and use any weapons, but your abilites seem really confined to a class.  So if you had hopes of a stealthy rogue/healer, give it up.  This game isn't quite as open as they had led us to believe.

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    • Better send the hate mail and death threats now maybe they will fix it if we threaten them enough XD kidding of course.

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    • LOL

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    • it is going to cost a fortune for a game that in my opinion looks rubbish. Graphics remind me Diablo and the combat sytem reminds me of Dynasty Warriors 7. 

      Some of you might disagree and sent me death threats lol but I think oblivion looked better than ESO

      Send you death threats? lol No one cares enough about your opinion to do that. Either way, this looks a lot better than this. Compare those two screenshots. You're entitled to your opinion, however your opinion is wrong :P

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    • Bit of a harsh route to take just to say, "I don't agree"

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    • I agree

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    • You stated that ESO looks like Diablo. I can't take your opinion seriously, sorry.

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    • What I meant is Diablo has rubbish graphics and ESO has rubbish. I could think of any examples at the time. So I decided to go with Diablo

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    • Right, except that in-game screenshot I linked to is clearly much better looking than Oblivion (or at the very least on par), despite what you said.

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    • Given what current TES players are accustomed to in Skyrim, it's understandable that the graphics look less than inviting.  However, they have to keep system requiremtns down some in order to draw in as many people as possible.  It's why WoW never made major upgrades, why Guild Wars 2 uses the engine they do, etc., etc.  The only real exceptino to this rule in the MMO community right now is Star Citizen, who is pushing major amounts of polygons into their game.

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    • MHInfinite wrote:
      Right, except that in-game screenshot I linked to is clearly much better looking than Oblivion (or at the very least on par), despite what you said.


      Right I made a mistake. Move on 

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    • Right I made a mistake. Move on 

      Ok, fair enough.

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    • For the price they want, I am expecting the graphics of Heavy Rain! As well as a free Diamond encrusted Spacecraft. And a server able to keep a million players on at one time while having no lag. And a cookie.

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    • MHInfinite wrote:

      it is going to cost a fortune for a game that in my opinion looks rubbish. Graphics remind me Diablo and the combat sytem reminds me of Dynasty Warriors 7. 

      Some of you might disagree and sent me death threats lol but I think oblivion looked better than ESO

      Send you death threats? lol No one cares enough about your opinion to do that. Either way, this looks a lot better than this. Compare those two screenshots. You're entitled to your opinion, however your opinion is wrong :P

      I don't agree with Alduin either, but that screenshot is product of merchandising.I doubt it will look like that, it has an awesome system of lightning and depth of field, and Online is a MMO.

      It may look like Diablo in the end.

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      For the price they want, I am expecting the graphics of Heavy Rain! As well as a free Diamond encrusted Spacecraft. And a server able to keep a million players on at one time while having no lag. And a cookie.

      Thats impossible 

      @MHInfinite 

      I am admiting I made a mistake and I am asking you to move on and forget about it. There is no point gettting into a online augument about a little mistake.

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    • Good point Alduin, arguing on the internet is like running the special . . . well, never mind.

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    • I don't agree with Alduin either, but that screenshot is product of merchandising.I doubt it will look like that, it has an awesome system of lightning and depth of field, and Online is a MMO.

      It may look like Diablo in the end.

      That screenshot wasn't taken my Zenimax though. That's just how the Beta looks at the moment, and it's been said by many players that the game runs very smoothly.

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    • MHInfinite wrote:
      I don't agree with Alduin either, but that screenshot is product of merchandising.I doubt it will look like that, it has an awesome system of lightning and depth of field, and Online is a MMO.

      It may look like Diablo in the end.

      That screenshot wasn't taken my Zenimax though. That's just how the Beta looks at the moment, and it's been said by many players that the game runs very smoothly.

      The point is that there is no sense in arguing about the graphics of a game which hasn't been launched.Colonial Marines and a bunch of others are examples of this.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      Good point Alduin, arguing on the internet is like running the special . . . well, never mind.


      But... but... they made a mistake! They must be punished eternally. Its not like I've ever made a mistake, or had an April Fools day joke massively backfire!

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    • Timeoin, you are the weakest link . . . haha!

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    • PsijicThief
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      UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      TESO will cost approx £150 to play for a year. Not counting microtransactions.

      http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/23/the-elder-scrolls-online-will-have-microtransactions/

      Zenimax: "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL FUCK YOU TES FANS! LOLOLOLOLOL."

      Ok, that's a bit much. But, Zenimax, are you being serious or do you just have the worst business model since anything that has ever existed? Pay-to-play, subscription and Microtransactions? You've gone too far Zenimax.

      Zenimax is the Dominion burn them Bethesda the Legion bethesda forever Zenimax nevah

      Zenimax i dont fucking know you but that video about threatning the bethsda owner about shit you dont own is way to fucking far yes i know my friend is the best dam spy you'll ever see and yes zenimax threatened bethesda to allow them to make TESO,they threatened them about shit they dont even know (Note this is true and for safety reasons i burned the video feed im fifteen and i dont need to go to jail)

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    • Saying how unfairteso has been unfair to everyone here...its as crappy as the lag i have in TES:arena (i can barely move)

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    • I'm on a fixed income, so that throws me out. For me, even $20 is an investment. I get $1000 from the Government each month, and I have to watch every penny. I love TES, but Zenimax doing this spits in the face of the disabled, IMO.

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    • I wouldn't go so far as to say quite all that, but I certainly see your point.  I have a similar problem, I don't net much more than that on my own each month and I'm in the process of paying for a wedding and moving expenses . . . ESO doesn't offer near enough for me to justify the extra money, so I'll be skipping it for the time being.

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    • PsijicThief wrote:
      I wouldn't go so far as to say quite all that, but I certainly see your point.  I have a similar problem, I don't net much more than that on my own each month and I'm in the process of paying for a wedding and moving expenses . . . ESO doesn't offer near enough for me to justify the extra money, so I'll be skipping it for the time being.

      Congratulations on your wedding. I'm so happy for both of you.

      Anyway, I am deeply saddened by it being pay-to-play.

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      You mean Sub and Pay to Play every month....To add the features everyone wants....JUST FUCKING INVEST

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    • Didnt get in the beta test currently Saving up for the  Xbox one when Online comes on ill keep my 360 and One

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    • Easy enough to say when you aren't disabled. I've been there. Look, when I have to do something with my car, and I mean general maitenance, I end up short at the end of the month. Investing is impossible. I got Skyrim for $20 from a local store from some money a friend gave me. Prior to becoming disabled, I had a copy of the Orange Box that I sold and got Hearthfire. But it sucks playing games alone, and I love the fantasy genre. But it seems all are P2P and that leaves me out of ALL OF THEM. Not just ESO. KoD. Try to have a bit of compassion, okay? 

      (and before you rip me for having a car, let me tell you that where I live, our mass transit system sucks. You HAVE to have a car to get anywhere.)

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    • SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Easy enough to say when you aren't disabled. I've been there. Look, when I have to do something with my car, and I mean general maitenance, I end up short at the end of the month. Investing is impossible. I got Skyrim for $20 from a local store from some money a friend gave me. Prior to becoming disabled, I had a copy of the Orange Box that I sold and got Hearthfire. But it sucks playing games alone, and I love the fantasy genre. But it seems all are P2P and that leaves me out of ALL OF THEM. Not just ESO. KoD. Try to have a bit of compassion, okay? 

      (and before you rip me for having a car, let me tell you that where I live, our mass transit system sucks. You HAVE to have a car to get anywhere.)


      What do you mean spits in the face of the disabled? 

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    • That's what it feels like, to me, anyway. It's like "You don't have enough money to join. Stay out." I realize that that's a stupid way of thinking. Having a serious disability, you tend to get really frustrated. I had a good job that I had to leave. Also, you get a lot of guff from some people. I was pulling down $5000/mo. Then I lost everything. It's bad when you have to debate even going to the movies. I'd love to play ESO, but I won't be able to afford it. And it isn't just Zenimax. It's a lot of companies. All the good stuff costs. 

      I've gone into enough detail about my lack of finances, also my disability. I'm just angry that there isn't a F2P version, so I'm venting. If I strike you as a drama queen, insane, or just a total bitch, so be it.

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    • I know how you feel. I have Cerebal Palsey and I can't get a paid job because employers want people who are able bodied and don't require any extra help. 

      It was hard enough getting a job at Marie Curie Cancer Care.

      This is the best part, the goverment in England have got "Professional" doctors to look at people's disabilities and decide wether we can work. They think that Cerebal Palsey can be cured. After that we have the "Spare room Subsidy" or Bedroom tax that has drove people to suicide. 

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    • AzuraKnight wrote:
      Too late we've already called off Christmas.

      I love you for that, because that's not only the way I feel, but also I'm a HUGE fan of Alan Rickman.

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    • PsijicThief
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      KILL ZENIMAX WE WILL MAKE YOU THE HIGH KING

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    • Alduin1996 wrote:
      I know how you feel. I have Cerebal Palsey and I can't get a paid job because employers want people who are able bodied and don't require any extra help. 

      It was hard enough getting a job at Marie Curie Cancer Care.

      This is the best part, the goverment in England have got "Professional" doctors to look at people's disabilities and decide wether we can work. They think that Cerebal Palsey can be cured. After that we have the "Spare room Subsidy" or Bedroom tax that has drove people to suicide. 

      CP, huh. I've got some mutated form of fibromyalgia. The same applies to me here in the U.S.

      It took several nastily-worded letters from some pain specialists to get me on disability. Stay strong, my friend.

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      Nothing against others but i respect Disabled peoples more than Nrmal peopes and mores than boses the Disabled Live in Iqradatqar in THE BEST PALACE AS KINGS

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    • The worst thing about having a disability in my eyes is that few people understand. When I was at work last week my boss asked me to climb up some ladders and gett some boxes down. 

      I said no and he stared at me like I was muck. 

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    • Before this gets out of hand, disabilities have nothing to do with ZeniMax's business choices, so let's leave that at the door, please.  I understand fixed income, I understand short on money, I understand making sacrifices for things like emergency repairs and the like.  However, this isn't really the forum for that and we're going down a possibly dark road that has potential to hurt a lot of people.  We aren't here to bash anything except the business model.  It hurts some more than others, granted, but nobody sat down at ZeniMax and said, "Let's screw over all the infirmed."  I have a friend that plays games and is a disabled veteran, I know your pain, but he looks for free games like Guild Wars 2 and World of Tanks so that he doesn't have to pay every month out the ass.  There are choices, just not the ones we wanted.  Now, I'm going to ask politely that we leave this portion of the topic alone . . . please and thank you.

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    • SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Easy enough to say when you aren't disabled. I've been there. Look, when I have to do something with my car, and I mean general maitenance, I end up short at the end of the month. Investing is impossible. I got Skyrim for $20 from a local store from some money a friend gave me. Prior to becoming disabled, I had a copy of the Orange Box that I sold and got Hearthfire. But it sucks playing games alone, and I love the fantasy genre. But it seems all are P2P and that leaves me out of ALL OF THEM. Not just ESO. KoD. Try to have a bit of compassion, okay? 

      (and before you rip me for having a car, let me tell you that where I live, our mass transit system sucks. You HAVE to have a car to get anywhere.)



      Speaking as a disabled veteran. If you can stand on that soap box and rant your not that disabled. Sit down and shut up of get a job. Americans with disabilities act is there for you.

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    • SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Alduin1996 wrote:
      I know how you feel. I have Cerebal Palsey and I can't get a paid job because employers want people who are able bodied and don't require any extra help. 

      It was hard enough getting a job at Marie Curie Cancer Care.

      This is the best part, the goverment in England have got "Professional" doctors to look at people's disabilities and decide wether we can work. They think that Cerebal Palsey can be cured. After that we have the "Spare room Subsidy" or Bedroom tax that has drove people to suicide. 

      CP, huh. I've got some mutated form of fibromyalgia. The same applies to me here in the U.S.

      It took several nastily-worded letters from some pain specialists to get me on disability. Stay strong, my friend.

      Isn't that why we play games like the Elder Scrolls in the first place? We all seek a form of escapism from reality for hours at a time because we need to, for whatever reason.

      Both of you stay strong, though.

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    • I might have just forced myself to get the game because I was curious about the rest of Tamriel but Pay2play is something I wouldn't do. It's fair enough if it is a one time upgrade to unlock more features that aren't going to stop you playing the game if you don't have them or at worst a one time payment for each province. They pretty much did what xbox one did: Get lots of hype then throw it all away with stupid things to make you pay more.

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    • ZakMarcus wrote:
      UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      Don't lose hope for Bethesda, it is Zenimax doing it. Plus, Bethesda have done bad things in the past. Like publish Brink for example, so if you haven't lost your loyalty for them at that point then you shouldn't now since they aren't even the ones to blame.
      I thought everyone had agreed to pretend Brink never happend. 

      That's because it didn't happen. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

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    • Really, ZeniMax? Don't pull a Blizzard on us. 

      They need to either remove the Sub Fee or atleast lower it to around $5/month. Considering I'm a console gamer, I doubt playing for XBL and the ESO Sub Fee will be possible.

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    • DrChaosNoir wrote:
      ZakMarcus wrote:
      UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      Don't lose hope for Bethesda, it is Zenimax doing it. Plus, Bethesda have done bad things in the past. Like publish Brink for example, so if you haven't lost your loyalty for them at that point then you shouldn't now since they aren't even the ones to blame.
      I thought everyone had agreed to pretend Brink never happend. 
      That's because it didn't happen. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.


      I can top that. And I can even top it and keep it relevant to our game series, too!

      Two words: Redguard and Battlespire.

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    • I'm just going to ignore this spin-off, and save up my money to fix & upgrade my PC, and maybe even get a PS4, and then focus on TES6, when we start hearing about it, 2 years from now.

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    • Vovillia wrote:
      I'm just going to ignore this spin-off, and save up my money to fix & upgrade my PC, and maybe even get a PS4, and then focus on TES6, when we start hearing about it, 4-8 years from now.

      Fixed dat for ya.

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    • Haha, if Bethesda can't give us TES6 within this decade, that would be a letdown, but funny, as we can just blame Zenimax for that

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    • I honestly want Elder Scrolls 6 to take a while to make. I want it to be a game which shows all the best aspects of the previous games with a show of years of effort. We can play Fallout 4 if you don't feel like TESO instead.

      For the record though, I have recently played the Elder Scrolls Online beta and it is actually good. The melee kind of sucks and the time before clicking and anything actually happen is ridiculous. But if they fix that, it will be a very good game.

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    • Of course TESO is good, I would be dissapointed to hear otherwise. But if I had to pay to play, especially after buying the software to play. I'd just keep my money for other things, such as my PC, could use a new cooling system and a better graphics card.

      I'm sure they will spend more time making 6 than they did 5, mainly to avoid many bugs at launch, also to keep up with expantations to making it bigger and better than 5.

      Fallout 4 would be neat, may hear about it before TES6, just based on age of the current games. But let's hope they don't rush that too.

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    • A buddy of mine told me that ESO's quest tracking was sub-par, and the overall mechanics felt like Guild Wars 2 with a hint of WoW . . . which isn't the game I want to play.  I already play GW2, and I left WoW behind for more reasons than I care to count.  It may be a decent game, but it would have to be a great game to make me want to pay for it monthly.

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    • AmateurIsMyGame wrote: Yeah, no. Being a young gamer myself, I have no access to credit cards. My family is NOT full of money. I only get xbox live for my birthday, Christmas, and when we can. Not only do you have to buy the game, you have to pay for it monthly too? I was already skeptical about this, and now I won't even buy it. I felt like ESO, was to cater to those who wanted multiplayer out of Skyrim. This was a dickmove, honestly. Especially, since I have other things to ask for. Like more memory for my xbox, since it only has 2.2 gb left. There is an extent to greediness. Plus, there would probably be dlcs. Which would rake in more cash, and maybe cash items? I don't really like those, but they cater to those who have the money for 'em. Anyways, I'll just wait for the Elder Scrolls Six, because It WILL come. Right? RIGHT? >:(

      Well if ESO is monthly then we might not get TES 6 because of like over 1b fans lost from ESO being sub and pay I wish it was like minecraft :(

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    • Well I am thinking about BURNING EVERYONE IN ZENIMAX AND THEN TAKE OVER AND MAKE IT FREEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      -ANGRY MAN

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    • Jk

      But that's how I feel I mean why can't they make 17£ and then no more accept dlc i might get it IF you don't have to pay 17£ per province. Minecraft is one of the most well payed well made games and Notch (the maker of minecraft is a millionaire but I can't see zenimax making even 100,000 and ik that sounds a lot but in game dev they'll be bankrupt cuz it costs 500,000 at least to make a game like TES 6.

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    • So ZENIMAX HAVE WAISTED LIKE 400,000 ON A GAME AND THAT SUCKS

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    • You are wrong on so many levels.

      1. £17 is not enough to make a profit on a mainstream MMO. Simple as.

      2. Minecraft costed very little to make. And is an Indie game which had luck to extreme winning-the-lotto levels.

      3. It won't make even make £100,000? For fuck's sake...

      4. It costs around £500,000 to make a game like TES6!? How fucking cheap do you think making a mainstream game is!? It's more around 15 million.

      5. Don't quadruple post.

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    • Good point, Useless (I love shortening your name, lol), Skyrim's initial budget was in the rang of 14 million US.  That's not counting the expansions and patches.    As for the making profit on a mainstream MMO, that number depends both on business model and number of players.  If you have 100 players paying $15 a month you won't make as much as if you have 1000 players paying $5 a month, and you won't make near as much as if you have 5000 players paying only cash shop fees for things like extra character slots, makeovers, new hair styles, cosmetic pets and clothing, nominal XP boosters, clothing dye packs and the like.  GW2 turns a profit on the latter without problem.  They also don't pander to ever whim of the loudest forum posters (something WoW should have learned in the Wrath expansion), so they still have their playstyle intact.

      To say that a company needs a subscription to turn a profit is a little short-sighted, in my opinion.  To say that it can do so without one has several variables involved in it. 

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    • I honestly wouldn't mind the subscription so much if they would drop the references to the "free" 30 days that we have to pay 60 dollars or so for.

      (Also, how does one become the loudest forum poster? DO THEY HAVE THE LARGEST CAPS LOCKS?)

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    • Why don't they release a special addition where you get 1 month free and a dlc free and by DLC I mean A mission DLC or a story expansion.

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    • I agree, Timeoin, saying that you'll give me thirty days of playtime for spending the same amount that I paid for Skryim and countless other games.  Especially when I only paid 50 to get Guild Wars 2 and I haven't spent a dime since on it.  I unde