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Ulfric is hot!!!

  • any other lady Dovakiins out there who is virtually heartbroken he is not a marriage option?

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    • Are you embarrassed the first to answer is male?

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    • no. i am a lady myself. hey, if thats how you roll i wont judge. still yet, ulfric is awesome

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    • Male... I swing for both... Yes yes I do

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    • Trust me, he will be even more hot when he lies dead and naked on the ground...

      He does have a awesome voice actor.

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    • How is he hot !? His voice apart, he is IMPERFECT ! A SINFUL MAN ! WHO ASCENDED FROM THE DUNG OF MAN !

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    • 173.218.132.185 wrote:
      any other lady Dovakiins out there who is virtually heartbroken he is not a marriage option?

      If he was a meat vendor that barely makes enough to feed his family, would you still be so heartbroken?

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    • yes, yes i would. and as far as the war goes, skyrim does not need the empires help to die. the uprising is like cutting of a deseased limb in order to live.

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    • ulfric is a powerful and valiant character. why would bethesda give such an amazing voice actor to a character they weren't proud of?

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    • 173.218.132.185 wrote:
      yes, yes i would. and as far as the war goes, skyrim does not need the empires help to die. the uprising is like cutting of a deseased limb in order to live.

      You are totally right. Skyrim doesn't need the Empires help to die. They can do it well enough on their own, and that is what will happen if the races of Men don't stand up against the Aldmeri Dominion.

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    • Let's get back on track.

      Ulfric is hot... when I'm burning him in an explosion of arcane fire.

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    • the elves are a threat, i agree. but the empire is eating out of thier creepy yellow hands.

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    • I think Galmar Stone-Fist is the one who made this thread, but is secretly going by the alias of 173.218132.185.

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    • Ulfric is very hot, if you use Fireball+Thunderbolt on him

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    • Make him a Thrall - Sex Slave

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    • Is there a console command that lets you marry a dead thall? That would be awesome

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    • no. i am not galmar. last i checked he wasnt a sixteen year old girl. i doubt you play or you would know that, while thralls are slaves, there is no sex in the elderscrolls games.

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    • Ugh.He knew that, he was but doing a crappy joke.All of us would prefer Ulfric cold in his land soil.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      All of us would prefer Ulfric cold in his land soil.

      I would actually prefer his head on a pike, alongside the leaders of the Aldmeri Dominion's heads, in front of the White Gold Tower.

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    • The White-Gold Tower?Why, to remenber the Elder Council how fearless they are?Nah, i can make do with his ears as a necklace around my neck.

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    • I wouldn't be fearless if my neck was at the tip of an Aldmeri sword.

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    • What are you implying?The White Gold Concordat?Titus did what was best, no one can deny it.The Elder Council is just a seat of scared rats.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      What are you implying?The White Gold Concordat?Titus did what was best, no one can deny it.The Elder Council is just a seat of scared rats.

      Well, one scared rat took matters into his own hands... or paws, metaphoricly.

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    • I would guess Chanceller Ocato was different.

      Motierre is the proof why the Council is somewhat divergent.

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    • the empire betrayed skyrim and every nord alive when they signed that agreement. anyone worth anything would die before surrendering to the twisted elves. the dominion would murder thier own children to save a coin or two.

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    • 173.218.132.185 wrote:
      the empire betrayed skyrim and every nord alive when they signed that agreement. anyone worth anything would die before surrendering to the twisted elves. the dominion would murder thier own children to save a coin or two.

      So you would rather have them keep fighting, and embrace the huge risk of Aldmeri Dominion occupation of the Empire? Trust me, the Aldmeri Dominion could impose conditions a lot worse on the nords. And you can't say things like the last one without any substantial evidence. You are writing what your own opinion is, not actual evidence.

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    • It probably isn't her own damn opinion, it's the stormcloak's opinion.I'm pretty sure that if she would put her damn brain to work, she could see the threat the Dominion exposes and would understand the Emperor's decision.

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    • I highly doubt the Aldmeri Dominion would murder their own children, due to the low reproduction rate of elves. And have you ever considered that signing the White-Gold Concordat might have possibly saved Skyrim?

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    • Aurora Estrella wrote:
      ...have you ever considered that signing the White-Gold Concordat might have possibly saved Skyrim?

      This is getting off topic...however:

      That is conjecture, it also might have saved the Dominion. They may have been overextended and highly vulnerable. A well led pincer attack could have cut off and destroyed bulk of their forces, leaving the Dominion open to invasion.

      Otherwise, the Dominion probably would have demanded more concessions from the Empire.

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    • I agree it is getting rather off-topic, but a thread about Ulfric was bound to turn into a political debate sooner or later. And Ulfric is hot...when he is set on fire. But seeing as I am a pyrophobe, and a vampire, I prefer frost spells. Embrace the cold of death...

      That depends on the Dominion's remaining strength at the time of the signing.

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    • Imo, not really. But Farkas or Onmund? Yes please ;)

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    • look, alvor said he sided with the empire because nords are not fair weather friends. this is true. but realize it is also true that america and france arent either. wouldnt we be paying taxes to a far away place and possibly not even have skyrim to discuss were it not for an uprising like ulfrics? surely we can agree on that.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      It probably isn't her own damn opinion, it's the stormcloak's opinion.I'm pretty sure that if she would put her damn brain to work, she could see the threat the Dominion exposes and would understand the Emperor's decision.

      i thank you for your imput. ill make a note that if they make elderscrolls games online to feed you to a serpentine dragon.

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    • Shockstorm wrote:
      Imo, not really. But Farkas or Onmund? Yes please ;)

      Vilkas>Farkas

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Shockstorm wrote:
      Imo, not really. But Farkas or Onmund? Yes please ;)
      Vilkas>Farkas

      I agree. Farkas is an idiot.

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    • i dont think vilkas or farkas have any buissiness in the matter.

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    • The....what the heck!

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    • How I want Ulfric's head!

      Post edited to remove previously deleted image. ~Timeoin

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    • YEAH!Throw his rebellous head to the bears!

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    • That skull frightened me when I first saw it.

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    • Aurora Estrella wrote:
      That skull frightened me when I first saw it.

      If that frightened you, then don't Google Damien Hirst. That skull (titled "For the Love of God") is probably the least freaky of his works.

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    • for the love of pete what is wrong with you people?! have you all forgotten that the empire wanted to behead you?

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    • This reminds me alot of the Jeff the killer fan girls, oh dear.

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      • facepalm* Yeah... I'm a woman, and I hate Ulfric. Hot? No way.

      That is, unless he's smoldering in the flames of the hot coals I put in his bed every night, or when I give him a good ol' fire ball to the face every time I see him. Or when I surround him and his throne in a wall of flames and massacre his puny armies. Or... I'm getting a little carried away here...

      Me: ULFRIC! Want to try out my new sauna?

      Him: Sure, how hot can it get?

      Me: Oh, a few hundred degrees! Mwahaha!!

      Okay, I'm seriously done now.

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    • Everyone, we need to hide this thread from Zippertrain and Pink Slim.

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    • Pickleseller wrote: Everyone, we need to hide this thread from Zippertrain and Pink Slim.

      Why's that? :p

      Anyways, yeah Farkas may be a bit dull, but he's a real beast if you know what I mean ;) (and I'm not just talking about lycanthropy)

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    • They go, "Oh Ulfric is the best!" and ruin our fun.

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    • 173.218.132.185 wrote:
      for the love of pete what is wrong with you people?! have you all forgotten that the empire wanted to behead you?

      If Ulfrickin' Stormcloak hadn't started his rebellion, we wouldn't have been caught in that ambush, and we wouldn't have ended up in Helgan, right? So it's Ulfric's fault.

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    • Pickleseller wrote:
      Goldflame33 wrote:
      Shockstorm wrote:
      Imo, not really. But Farkas or Onmund? Yes please ;)
      Vilkas>Farkas
      I agree. Farkas is an idiot.


      We have noticed that some girls prefer idiots....

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    • SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Aurora Estrella wrote:
      That skull frightened me when I first saw it.

      If that frightened you, then don't Google Damien Hirst. That skull (titled "For the Love of God") is probably the least freaky of his works.


      Saying not to do it makes me want to.
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    • DarthOrc wrote:
      Pickleseller wrote:
      Goldflame33 wrote:
      Shockstorm wrote:
      Imo, not really. But Farkas or Onmund? Yes please ;)
      Vilkas>Farkas
      I agree. Farkas is an idiot.

      We have noticed that some girls prefer idiots....

      He also has a horrible scratchy voice.

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    • Aurora Estrella wrote:

      SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Aurora Estrella wrote:
      That skull frightened me when I first saw it.
      If that frightened you, then don't Google Damien Hirst. That skull (titled "For the Love of God") is probably the least freaky of his works.


      Saying not to do it makes me want to.Sometimes I forget the power of curiousity. Basically, animal body parts in fluid. Nuff said. There, don't look it up. I'm sorry for piquing your curiousity.

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    • again. what the hell is wrong with you guys?

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    • I put that skull there just to show how I'd like to see Ulfric's skull, all bejeweled. I'd also like to have it set above the gate to Whiterun. Or somewhere on High Hrothgar, since he learned Unrelenting Force just to use it on Torygg. Blasphemer!

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    • 173.218.132.185 wrote:
      for the love of pete what is wrong with you people?! have you all forgotten that the empire wanted to behead you?

      Because you illegaly crossed the border, and the Captian was just out of line.

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    • Rikke's kind of an ass. Bitch never did apologize...

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    • 173.218.132.185 wrote:
      again. what the hell is wrong with you guys?


      What is wrong with us? What is wrong with you? The Dovahkiin being caught in the Imperial ambush was simply bad timing and he or she was mistaken for a Stormcloak by the Imperial Legion. Plus, illegally crossing the border would have led to being captured anyway.
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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      Rikke's kind of an ass. Bitch never did apologize...

      I don't think the Legate at Helgen was Rikke.

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    • Illegally crossing the border? Where is that law? Since when is there such border control in Tamriel that randomly crossing it is immediate grounds for execution?

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:
      Illegally crossing the border?

      Where is that law? Since when is there such border control in Tamriel that randomly crossing it is immediate grounds for execution?

      Between Oblivion and Skyrim.

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    • By itself, illegally crossing the border might not be enough to justify execution. But by crossing said border, the Dovahkiin walked right into an Imperial ambush and was mistaken for a Stormcloak, and thus condemned to death. It was simply a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hadvar even apologised to the Dovahkiin for that and admitted they should not have been on that cart in the first place.

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    • i officially give up. i hope you guys enjoy titus' big boots up your ass.

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    • 173.218.132.185 wrote:
      i officially give up. i hope you guys enjoy titus' big boots up your ass.

      Ahem, you mean Titus, the good ole guy that embraced death with ease?The guy who wielded Goldbrand against the damned Dominion?I'd rather clean his big boots.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Ahem, you mean Titus, the good ole guy that embraced death with ease?The guy who wielded Goldbrand against the damned Dominion?I'd rather clean his big boots.

      If I could send a high five all the way to Rio de Janero, I would.

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    • I just sensed an odd movement in the air in front of me.Thanks, Gold.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      Ahem, you mean Titus, the good ole guy that embraced death with ease?The guy who wielded Goldbrand against the damned Dominion?I'd rather clean his big boots.

      If I could send a high five all the way to Rio de Janero, I would.

      You could do what I do.

      Take this Sky Above.

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    • I believe you mean General Tullius.

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    • You people are unbelievable. Tullius and Titus Mede may make questionable desicions, but Ulfric isn't all smiles and rainbows. Even less so, in my opinion.

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    • I admit, though, I do have some respect for Ulfric.

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    • Aurora Estrella wrote:
      I admit, though, I do have some respect for Ulfric.

      He is very charismatic, I'll give him that.

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    • Indeed, he is.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Aurora Estrella wrote:
      I admit, though, I do have some contempt for Ulfric.
      He is very arrogant, I'll give him that.

      i know, right?

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    • Amen!

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    • Im too lazy to log in...but WHO DAFUQ MADE THIS DAFUQING THREAD YOU SHOULD BE DAFUQING RP'ING IN DAFUQING TES DAFUQING SERIES

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    • Wow.

      We drink to our youth, to the days come and gone. For the age of aggression is just about done. We'll drive out the Stormcloaks and restore what we own. With our blood and our steel we'll take back our home. Down with Ulfric! The killer of kings! On the day of your death we will drink and we'll sing. We're the children of Skyrim, and we fight all our lives. And when Sovngarde beckons, every one of us dies! But this land is ours and we'll see it wiped clean. Of the scourge that has sullied our hopes and our dreams!

      Down with Ulfric! The killer of kings! On the day of your death we will drink and we'll sing. We're the children of Skyrim, and we fight all our lives. And when Sovngarde beckons, every one of us dies!

      We drink to our youth, to the days come and gone. For the age of aggression is just about done.

      The devil made me do this! I swear, he did! HE MADE ME DO THIS, YOU HEAR ME?

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    • Lab Coat Billy.

      You know that Thread we made, 'Justifying the Legion'. Was that real? Or was I high on drugs?

      Why can't I find it?

      Someone take it down?

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    • Slim took it off.I can't blame him, it was being removed sooner or later.

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    • What? That's crap.

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    • WHAT?

      BY WHAT RIGHT OF AUTHORITY?

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    • IT LIVES!

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    • By the authority of wikia contributor.It is our jobs to keep the forum clean of bullshit.It was good while it last.

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    • I thought that task fell to patrollers, administrators and such,,.,

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    • THE THREAD LIVES!

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    • ...And it's all thanks to Ruka.

      He should be made a God.

      I'll get to work on building a shrine and amulet dedicated to Him.

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    • Dibs on making an artifact!

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    • Aurora Estrella wrote: ... illegally crossing the border would have led to being captured anyway.

      Since when is it illegal to cross the border from one province of the Empire to another?

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    • Since the 4th Era. Deal.

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    • DarthOrc wrote:
      Aurora Estrella wrote:

      ... illegally crossing the border would have led to being captured anyway.

      Since when is it illegal to cross the border from one province of the Empire to another?

      no passport maybe?

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    • Rukathesoldier wrote:
      DarthOrc wrote:
      Aurora Estrella wrote:

      ... illegally crossing the border would have led to being captured anyway.

      Since when is it illegal to cross the border from one province of the Empire to another?

      no passport maybe?


      Cyrodiil and Skyrim are part of the same country. No passport is needed.  There are characters that can be met in Skyrim from all parts of the Empire. Besides, if the crossing had been illegal, the Imperials would have used that as a charge to justify the execution, which they didn't.

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    • there must be some reason

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    • Rukathesoldier wrote:
      there must be some reason


      No, the reaction of the soldier to the order to execute the Dragonborn makes it clear that he thought the execution was arbitrary. Also, he is apologetic and tells the Dragonborn he will see to his remains being sent home, something he would not have done for a criminal.

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    • then why did they even take you? why didn't they let you cross?

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    • The past of the hero is always left behind.But one can assume the dumb Dragonborn was commiting another crime (like the thief in the opening scene) or he was confused with a stormcloak.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      173.218.132.185 wrote:
      the empire betrayed skyrim and every nord alive when they signed that agreement. anyone worth anything would die before surrendering to the twisted elves. the dominion would murder thier own children to save a coin or two.
      So you would rather have them keep fighting, and embrace the huge risk of Aldmeri Dominion occupation of the Empire? Trust me, the Aldmeri Dominion could impose conditions a lot worse on the nords. And you can't say things like the last one without any substantial evidence. You are writing what your own opinion is, not actual evidence.

      This is under the belief that the Dominion can overtake Skyrim with ease, which as I've explained so many times is untrue. 

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    • You honestly believe the Stormcloak rebellion can defeat the Aldmeri Dominion?

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      You honestly believe the Stormcloak rebellion can defeat the Aldmeri Dominion?

      Yes, very much so. 

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    • ..... I give up. They can't. 'Nuf said.

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:

      Yes, very much so. 

      And why do you think this?

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:

      Yes, very much so. 

      And why do you think this?

      Because the Dominion lost everything in the Great War, and since Elves reproduce slower they have probably barely recovered. The Stormcloaks on the other hand are well trained (they only take the best into their ranks according to Galmar) and have more and more joining them everyda. Also, they could make alliances with Hammerfell, Morrowind, and High Rock making them even more powerful. Is that enough for you? 

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      ..... I give up. They can't. 'Nuf said.

      They can. 

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    • How so? Three freakin' legions of better prepared and better equipped soldiers couldn't stop the Thalmor.

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:

      Because the Dominion lost everything in the Great War, and since Elves reproduce slower they have probably barely recovered. The Stormcloaks on the other hand are well trained (they only take the best into their ranks according to Galmar) and have more and more joining them everyda. Also, they could make alliances with Hammerfell, Morrowind, and High Rock making them even more powerful. Is that enough for you? 

      Well trained? That's funny! If you were Galmar, would you say "Yeah, I don't really care how good you are, we can use you as cannon fodder" If that was his intention? Of course not! By saying they only take the best would motivate you to do better. And seriously, shut up about these alliances. HR would not do it, and neither would Morrowind. You really don't have any evidence, other than 'why wouldn't they?'

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:

      Because the Dominion lost everything in the Great War, and since Elves reproduce slower they have probably barely recovered. The Stormcloaks on the other hand are well trained (they only take the best into their ranks according to Galmar) and have more and more joining them everyda. Also, they could make alliances with Hammerfell, Morrowind, and High Rock making them even more powerful. Is that enough for you? 

      Well trained? That's funny! If you were Galmar, would you say "Yeah, I don't really care how good you are, we can use you as cannon fodder" If that was his intention? Of course not! By saying they only take the best would motivate you to do better. And seriously, shut up about these alliances. HR would not do it, and neither would Morrowind. You really don't have any evidence, other than 'why wouldn't they?'

      Clearly you've done very little research on this subject. I'm going to educate you then. Galmar explains how they only take strong, capable warriors to fight for them, that's why he made you kill an Ice Wraith, to see if you fit their quota. I have plenty of evidence, you just refuse to listen. It seems to be you're scared of being proven wrong so you just ignore my evidence. I'll say it again, Morrowind has almost the same enemies as the Stormcloaks, the Dominion and the Empire. In times of war nations team up to fight common enemies. High Rock will need a trading partner once they loose connection with Cyrodiil. There's my evidence. 

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    • He sends you to kill an Ice Wraith. The Imperials send you to clear a fort of Bandits. See the difference? High Rock would be losing more trade options if they left the Empire than and joined the Stormcloaks than if they stuck with the Empire.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      He sends you to kill an Ice Wraith. The Imperials send you to clear a fort of Bandits. See the difference? High Rock would be losing more trade options if they left the Empire than and joined the Stormcloaks than if they stuck with the Empire.

      I believe Galmar says how they only take strong, capable, soldiers in some dialogue. That won't really be a choice for High Rock, since if Skyrim becomes independent trade with Cyrodiil will be hard. 

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    • See the big blue blob? That is water. You can sail cargo ships on it.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      See the big blue blob? That is water. You can sail cargo ships on it.

      Those waters are pretty much owned by Hammerfell. I don't think they would be so willing to let the Empire bring ships through there. 

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    • So you think they would actively attack the Empire?

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      So you think they would actively attack the Empire?

      They would tell them they can't move their ships through there. If they do it anyway, then maybe. 

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    • Zipper, I know I'm late but I need to explain something to you. A country can trade with another country. High Rock can still trade with Skyrim, whether or not they've sided together.

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    • Pickleseller wrote:
      Zipper, I know I'm late but I need to explain something to you. A country can trade with another country. High Rock can still trade with Skyrim, whether or not they've sided together.

      I'm saying they would probably join the Stormcloak alliance if they become a big trader partner for them. 

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    • Trade Embargo is an act of hostility, and Pickles is right. If High Rock trading companies bring money and jobs to Hammerfell, they would be stupid to deny access.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Trade Embargo is an act of hostility, and Pickles is right. If High Rock trading companies bring money and jobs to Hammerfell, they would be stupid to deny access.

      Hammerfell isn't part of the Empire anymore. None of their citizens are employed and they don't get a Septim from the trades. 

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    • Apparently you don't understand that High Rock has independant trading companies that pay taxes to High Rock, it isn't the High Rock government that trades with other governments.

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Goldflame33 wrote:
      Trade Embargo is an act of hostility, and Pickles is right. If High Rock trading companies bring money and jobs to Hammerfell, they would be stupid to deny access.
      Hammerfell isn't part of the Empire anymore. None of their citizens are employed and they don't get a Septim from the trades. 

      What does being part of the Empire have to do with this? You said that Hammerfell will "tell them they can't move their ships through there." That's hostility. High Rock wouldn't like Hammerfell, and by extension, the Stormcloaks. And even if Hammerfell doesn't let them through, they still can access Cyrodiil through Skyrim, and if the Nords deny that, it shows what kind of person Ulfric is.

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    • There are other threads about political debates, this one is about Ulfric Stormcloak being hot.

      As soon as I get the Creation Kit i'm making a mod that let's you mary Ulfric. You could only mary him if you join his side in the war. Even if you were indifferent before you would be the HIGH QUEEN OF SKYRIM! Married to one of the hottest NPCs in the game.

      I Love You Ulfric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • That seems like a lame mod.

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    • I'd CC be able to marry Brynjolf... or mod to remove the conversation between Niruin and Rune and try to forget about what Niruin's great idea was.

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    • I do not think I would use that mod. If there was an individual that could not be married that one wishes they could marry, for me it would be Odahving. Though I find it odd that his name means Winged Snow Hunter while he is red and mostly uses fire attacks...

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    • Aurora Estrella wrote:
      I do not think I would use that mod. If there was an individual that could not be married that one wishes they could marry, for me it would be Odahving. Though I find it odd that his name means Winged Snow Hunter while he is red and mostly uses fire attacks...

      His name could be in reference to attacking Nords.

      (BTW I like your name)

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    • Maybe. Though I would like if he was light blue or white and used frost attacks.

      (Thank you. 'Aurora' is from the Aurora Borealis, the Northern Lights that appear in the sky. 'Estrella' is another name for a star.)

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Apparently you don't understand that High Rock has independant trading companies that pay taxes to High Rock, it isn't the High Rock government that trades with other governments.

      It doesn't matter, Hammerfell probably doesn't want the Empire to go through that water way. What are you not understanding? 

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    • Pickleseller wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Goldflame33 wrote:
      Trade Embargo is an act of hostility, and Pickles is right. If High Rock trading companies bring money and jobs to Hammerfell, they would be stupid to deny access.
      Hammerfell isn't part of the Empire anymore. None of their citizens are employed and they don't get a Septim from the trades. 
      What does being part of the Empire have to do with this? You said that Hammerfell will "tell them they can't move their ships through there." That's hostility. High Rock wouldn't like Hammerfell, and by extension, the Stormcloaks. And even if Hammerfell doesn't let them through, they still can access Cyrodiil through Skyrim, and if the Nords deny that, it shows what kind of person Ulfric is.

      If they're privite businesses then the Govenrment probably won't care if Hammerfell doesn't let them through. The only way the nation in it's self would be mad at Hammerfell for doing that is if they stop government controlled companies from trading, but if what Goldflame said was true, they're not owned by the Government. 

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    • But if Hammerfell Embargoes, HR would stop trading with it, and that would take a good chunk out of Hammerfell's failing economy. 

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Pickleseller wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Goldflame33 wrote:
      Trade Embargo is an act of hostility, and Pickles is right. If High Rock trading companies bring money and jobs to Hammerfell, they would be stupid to deny access.
      Hammerfell isn't part of the Empire anymore. None of their citizens are employed and they don't get a Septim from the trades. 
      What does being part of the Empire have to do with this? You said that Hammerfell will "tell them they can't move their ships through there." That's hostility. High Rock wouldn't like Hammerfell, and by extension, the Stormcloaks. And even if Hammerfell doesn't let them through, they still can access Cyrodiil through Skyrim, and if the Nords deny that, it shows what kind of person Ulfric is.
      If they're privite businesses then the Govenrment probably won't care if Hammerfell doesn't let them through. The only way the nation in it's self would be mad at Hammerfell for doing that is if they stop government controlled companies from trading, but if what Goldflame said was true, they're not owned by the Government. 

      The trading comapnies pay taxes and tariffs to the High Rock government. If Hammerfell and Skyrim both stopped trading with them and doesn't let them pass through, essentially blockading the Empire, the government wouldn't get the taxes and would lose funds.

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    • Pickleseller wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Pickleseller wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Goldflame33 wrote:
      Trade Embargo is an act of hostility, and Pickles is right. If High Rock trading companies bring money and jobs to Hammerfell, they would be stupid to deny access.
      Hammerfell isn't part of the Empire anymore. None of their citizens are employed and they don't get a Septim from the trades. 
      What does being part of the Empire have to do with this? You said that Hammerfell will "tell them they can't move their ships through there." That's hostility. High Rock wouldn't like Hammerfell, and by extension, the Stormcloaks. And even if Hammerfell doesn't let them through, they still can access Cyrodiil through Skyrim, and if the Nords deny that, it shows what kind of person Ulfric is.
      If they're privite businesses then the Govenrment probably won't care if Hammerfell doesn't let them through. The only way the nation in it's self would be mad at Hammerfell for doing that is if they stop government controlled companies from trading, but if what Goldflame said was true, they're not owned by the Government. 
      The trading comapnies pay taxes and tariffs to the High Rock government. If Hammerfell and Skyrim both stopped trading with them and doesn't let them pass through, essentially blockading the Empire, the government wouldn't get the taxes and would lose funds.

      What's your point? 

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Goldflame33 wrote:
      You honestly believe the Stormcloak rebellion can defeat the Aldmeri Dominion?
      Yes, very much so. 

      thank you. so freaking much.

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    • Zipper, you are freaking miracles. mental hug!!!!!!!

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    • Wonderful. More people are joining a misguided cause.

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    • 173.218.132.185 wrote:
      Zipper, you are freaking miracles. mental hug!!!!!!!

      Well, thank you *accepts mental hug*. 

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    • The stormcloaks can hold their ground against the Aldmeri Dominion. The only reason the "Empire" stands a BIGGER chance at holding their ground against the Aldmeri Dominion, is because they got better business connections - more gold. 

      As stated in a certain letter, the Thalmor "appreciates" the current civil war, because it weakens Skyrims forces (Both Stormcloak-forces and Empire-forces). An Empire victory, as well as a Stormcloak victory, "is to be avoided".

      I don't see why people hate on Ulfric. He is a damn hero, he fights for freedom, ending the oppression of the people. You can't blame the Stormcloaks for doing what they are doing. It is very admirable, and natural. They want to govern themselves, worship the god they want to etc. But, I admit, the rebellion against the oppressive Empire could've been postponed (or atleast they could've started a secret organization, hunting down Thalmor / Empire forces that executes talos-worshippers etc, and wait until the presumably upcoming war with the Thalmor is over)

      But I will not and can not join the Empire and kill off the Stormcloaks. Since they are admirable and their cause is 100% just. Ulfric is also very admirable.

      90% of the empires forces are damn puppets. Just like the citizens of Solitude, and helgen, who  blindly cry out "Justice!" "Death to the Stormcloaks!"


      The age of oppression is just about done, my friends! Let the souls of Skyrim burn strong and freely! FOR THE STORMCLOAKS! FOR ULFRIC!

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    • Please. Ulfric fights for Ulfric. He stands no chance against the Dominion, and if so what if the Legion has more gold? That's a good thing, fool. The Empires kill the Stormclaks, not the Talos worshippers. So what if you think the citizens of Solitude and Helgen are misguided, they're fighting for what they think is right, not unlike the Stormcloaks. Ulfric's cause isn't 100% just, so yes, it's perfectly fine to support the Empire.


      For the Empire who has stayed by your side, through good times and hard, and fought against the Dominion, I raise my sword and my ale, so that we may stand united!

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      Please. Ulfric fights for Ulfric. He stands no chance against the Dominion, and if so what if the Legion has more gold? That's a good thing, fool. The Empires kill the Stormclaks, not the Talos worshippers. So what if you think the citizens of Solitude and Helgen are misguided, they're fighting for what they think is right, not unlike the Stormcloaks. Ulfric's cause isn't 100% just, so yes, it's perfectly fine to support the Empire.


      For the Empire who has stayed by your side, through good times and hard, and fought against the Dominion, I raise my sword and my ale, so that we may stand united!

      Great job completely ignoring all the evidence 83.255 gave. 

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    • Great job pointlessly arguing while we've refuted why you're wrong a thousand times. It's there, so hush.

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    • (The topic is about Ulfric Stormcloak, only the title 'Ulfric is hot!!!') Well, from paragraphs one to two I'll be siding with the Stormcloaks. 1. Ulfric Stormcloak has suffered quite a bit if you think about it.I believe his parents died or (And this is mentioned in Dialogue) someone of his relative died. As far as I know, it was his father. (I kind-of deleted my main character on my PS3 so I need to visit him again...I'll lighten any of this up if I'm not corrected.) Ulfric Stormcloak inherited Eastmarch/Windhelm from his father; whom I believe is unnamed, yet known as "The Bear of Eastmarch". And he wasn't "chosen" so-to-say, he was picked from the Greybeards as a child. He studied the way of the voice to just learn Fus Ro Dah. (Unrelenting Force/Force, Balance, Push.) 2 Ulfric served in the Great War, as most of us SHOULD know on the Empire's side. But when emperor Titus Mede II signed the White-Gold Concordat, banishing worship of Talos, but during the Great War, the Reach (Markarth is it's capital, the Dwemer Ruins, but that tale is for another time.) to the Breton uprising. Igmund, the previous Jarl's son, asked Ulfric Stormcloak to take back the Reach, and in return for free worship of Talos. Agreeing to this, he expelled the Breton, and the worship of Talos was permitted. Later on... "Die Imperial!". Yes my friends, the Imperials are coming to stomp on the worship. At first the Imperials were supressed, the the Thalmor got ticked off and threatened to cause war again because they were defiling the White-Gold Concordat, so the Imperials were forced to expell the militia from The Reach. Then of course. Imprisioned. Now, Zipper I understand your patriotism towards the Nords... but, you're right. The Aldmeri Dominion - Nord vs. Elf Here's the basic concept, the Nords. Yes they're high in strength, but they aren't the sharpest crayons in the box now are they? Their brute makes up for their lack of intelligence. As stated throughout multiple books, notes, and dialogue throughout Skyrim most claim that Nords are actually illiterate and stupid. When someone is 'surprised' to see a Nord write a letter, sometimes even to read one. For example; Aventus Arentino is a boy in Windhelm, a Nord. Master Aventus Arentio, Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak wishes to express his deepest sympathies at the death of your mother, Naalia. Unfortunately, because you are fatherless, and have no other known relations, the jarl cannot allow you to remain in your home unsupervised. Therefore, in no more than a week's time, you are to report to Honorhall Orphanage in Riften, where you will reside until your sixteenth birthday. The Aretino family home in the city of Windehelm will, of course, remain your property. The building will be securely locked and ready for your return six years hence. Note that I am unsure of the education provided to you by your recently deceased mother, or if you possess the ability the read the letter I am currently composing. Therefore, a member of the city guard will call upon you in one week, at your home, and provide escort to the orphanage. Hopefully, his arrival will not come as a complete shock. With greatest respect, Jorleif Steward to our most noble jarl, Ulfric Stormcloak See what I mean? Jorleif is clearly aware of the educational problems in Skyrim revolving around Nords. Plus probably the most advanced armor a Nord wears is steel. Whereas the strongest Elven Warrior wears "Elven Glided Armor" which has a armor status of 35. (With complete Elven armor & shield [Counting the Glided Armor] it equals up to 85. Without is 64, and normal gear w/ shield = 79, without 58. I suppose that complete steel armor no matter what goes past the Elven stature, but it's because it's heavy and slows the player down.) The Stormcloaks, as their symbol shown wear the standard Stormcloak armor consisting of Fur Boots, a amulet of some kind, Fur Gauntlets, and Stormcloak Curiass and Helmets. An array of swords, usually a hunting bow and 16 steel arrows. And most likely, the Thalmor (Altmer, Aldmeri Dominion whatever you want to call them.) would bring along mages, archers, Etc. The first mistake of the Stormcloaks is that they assort two classes into one, archers & warriors. I understand some believe this is a tactical move,youre wrong. It takes about 1.04 seconds to switch weapons, draw your bowstring or swing and there could be two people that are on you with weapons and three archers from afar. Your survival depends on your health, food, potions and armor, but if you wearing something as simple as standard Stormcloak Equipment, you'd be dead within 1-1.5 minutes. Plus most Thalmor Mages are at Apprentice-Adep level, more damage I am guessing that you would be hit with. Again, being killed quickly. This brings us to our showdown. Showdown, (Elves vs. Nords) 

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    • Elves. Sorry, but there's really no contest.

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      Elves. Sorry, but there's really no contest.

      Wrong; Here.


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    • That's great, a lucky Stormcloak got the drop on a Thalmor Soldier and killed him after almost three minutes in a fight that should've took less than one.

      Gameplay doesn't equal lore, Zipper says so himself. 

      Think of it this way, would you rather have makeshift armor and an iron mace or arcane powers and wizard's robes, if not Elven armor and arcane powers, plus an Elven weapon?

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    • Yes, I know that the Stormcloaks/Nords are illequipped, unedcuated yet brute. The Nords of Skyrim actually aren't from Skyrim, they're from Atmora (Fun fact) here's a manual simulation of Thalmor & Stormcloak[Nord] behavior. 

      The Showdown!

      'Scenario: 'A group of bandits have been captured by the Thalmor and are being transported due to suspection of Talos worship. A patrol of Stormcloaks are just ahead by a few paces, six of them and if you count the fellowship of Talos worshippers, 9. There are 10 Thalmor NPC's guarding them. 

      Two scouts that are keeping the back of the band sight the approaching Thalmor units and reports to their captain. The band prepares a ambush, three Stormcloaks on each side with one of them a Long Bow and steel arrows ready. The other two have their array of weapons and prepare (This part is a bit fictional) for the convoy to arrive. One of the bandits stumble, and picks up a Shiv from one of the Markarth Volunteers that were in Cidhna Mine and filled their time. The bandit walked up behind one of the Thalmor and jabbed it through her breastplate. The Stormcloaks attacked. The archers shot two arrows and two Thalmor began fixating on their death. While the remaining four charged with War-Hammers, Swords, Axes, Maces and more. The Talos worshippers ran to go trade items with one of the Stormcloak soldiers. The Thalmor have by now killed three Stormcloaks and have had two casualties. The mages fire Sparks at the attackers and send two flying backwards. Four remain. Three casualties on the Thalmor's piece. The remaining Stormcloaks were either impaled, electrocuted or taken prisoner. The Elves win [9-4]


      The Thalmor are the clear winners!

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    • You can't say that, but the Thalmor would win in a real fight, not in a gameplay fight.

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    • How many times do we have to say it? Gameplay does not equal lore.

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    • Daedra Dreadlord wrote:
      The Nords of Skyrim actually aren't from Skyrim, they're from Atmora (Fun fact) 

      That would be like saying because my ancestors were Scandinavian, I am not an American.

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    • That would be the Atmorans. Or if you want to get technical, the Nedes.

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      That would be the Atmorans. Or if you want to get technical, the Nedes.

      ???

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    • The Atmorans came from Atmora, but techinically the Nedes and Atmorans are the same people.

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      Great job pointlessly arguing while we've refuted why you're wrong a thousand times. It's there, so hush.

      You have not refuted a single point I've made, William. All you've done is spout Imperial propaganda left and right, "Ulfric is racist" "The Stormcloaks don't stand a chance against the Dominion", "Ulfric just wants to be High King". 

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    • 'William?' Try again, and step out of the waters of hypocrisy.

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      'William?' Try again, and step out of the waters of hypocrisy.

      That's your real name, right? 

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    • No. Where'd you get that from?

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    • Interesting, a thread mostly made by females for females. Yet the majority of the posters are male. Kinda like my little pony...

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    • Nait Nelthar wrote:
      Interesting, a thread mostly made by females for females. Yet the majority of the posters are male. Kinda like my little pony...

      There is a dark truth behind this...

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    • xD How true is that?

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    • I actually support the Stormcloaks, although presuming that Ulfric IS self-righteous. But at the end of the Civil War quest line, if you side with him he declines the Throne. And says he is "unworthy" or sometihng. He says this while adressing the Stormcloaks that ecompanyed him during the siege of Solitude. 

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    • Daedra Dreadlord wrote: I actually support the Stormcloaks, although presuming that Ulfric IS self-righteous. But at the end of the Civil War quest line, if you side with him he declines the Throne. And says he is "unworthy" or sometihng. He says this while adressing the Stormcloaks that ecompanyed him during the siege of Solitude. 

      He already won, it's obvious that he will be declared high king.

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    • All subsequent Jarls support him. The Moot will choose him. I've read too much A Song of Ice and Fire to fall for speeches.

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    • I like the Empire.

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    • Well, like I said in my post, he claimed "unworthy" I believe, he said he will not become High King of Skyrim, I think it was all just to rid Skyrim of the Empire and Thalmor, although after the Civil War is over, there's still more Thalmor & Imperials. 

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    • Daedra Dreadlord wrote:
      Well, like I said in my post, he claimed "unworthy" I believe, he said he will not become High King of Skyrim, I think it was all just to rid Skyrim of the Empire and Thalmor, although after the Civil War is over, there's still more Thalmor & Imperials. 

      No, he said that he'll wait until the Moot declares him HK, which will obviously happen.

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    • Can anyone tell me why Ulfric is hot, what is it about him thats so good looking.

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      No. Where'd you get that from?

      I assumed Billy was short for William. 

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:

      Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      No. Where'd you get that from?

      I assumed Billy was short for William. 

      Billiam?

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    • No and no. It's a surname, kinda-sorta-not-really.

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    • Nait Nelthar wrote:

      Zippertrain85 wrote:

      Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      No. Where'd you get that from?
      I assumed Billy was short for William. 
      Billiam?

      Bill is a short for William

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      No and no. It's a surname, kinda-sorta-not-really.

      But you said on your profile your real name is Bill. 

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:

      Nait Nelthar wrote:

      Zippertrain85 wrote:

      Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      No. Where'd you get that from?
      I assumed Billy was short for William. 
      Billiam?

      Bill is a short for William

      Where the hell did the B come from?

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    • Don't bother it. :P 

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    • Daedra Dreadlord wrote: Don't bother it. :P 

      Yeah, I hate getting stung by b's :p

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    • ....

      Bill Cipher? That's kind of a gag. Go ask Disney. x3

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    • YOU WANNA KNOW A GOOD JOKE !?!? HUH ? HUH !? HUUUUUUUUUUH !?!?

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    • I already know all the good jokes...

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    • R U CHUR !?!? HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH !?!?!?!?

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    • Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      ....

      Bill Cipher? That's kind of a gag. Go ask Disney. x3

      I don't know who that is. 

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      ....

      Bill Cipher? That's kind of a gag. Go ask Disney. x3

      I don't know who that is. 

      http://gravityfalls.wikia.com/wiki/Bill_Cipher

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    • Pickleseller wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Lab Coat Billy wrote:
      ....

      Bill Cipher? That's kind of a gag. Go ask Disney. x3

      I don't know who that is. 
      http://gravityfalls.wikia.com/wiki/Bill_Cipher

      ...interesting. 

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    • Spyrocks wrote:
      Can anyone tell me why Ulfric is hot, what is it about him thats so good looking.

      Seriously guys why is he?

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    • He is a grizzled buff manly man with a deep, low, "sexy" voice. I understand why women find him attractive, being a straight male I couldn't have less interest in him. His voice is pretty good though.

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    • I can understand too.

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    • Spyrocks wrote:
      Spyrocks wrote:
      Can anyone tell me why Ulfric is hot, what is it about him thats so good looking.
      Seriously guys why is he?

      The most hot he has ever been is when he's blowing hot steam out of rear trying to figure politics. 

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    • Ulfric: "What are taxes? Do they have to do with how much someone is a true son or daughter of Skyrim!?!?"

      Jorleif: "I don't think-"

      Ulfric: "INCREASE THEM! For Skyrim! For the Nords!"

      Jorleif: *Facepalm*

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote:
      Ulfric: "What are taxes? Do they have to do with how much someone is a true son or daughter of Skyrim!?!?"

      Jorleif: "I don't think-"

      Ulfric: "INCREASE THEM! For Skyrim! For the Nords!"

      Jorleif: *Facepalm*

      Your comment made me want a comedy show for Ulfric Stormcloak.

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    • UselessArgonianMage wrote: Ulfric: "What are taxes? Do they have to do with how much someone is a true son or daughter of Skyrim!?!?"

      Jorleif: "I don't think-"

      Ulfric: "INCREASE THEM! For Skyrim! For the Nords!"

      Jorleif: *Facepalm*

      This is awesome. And so begins my quest for youtube vids regarding Ulfric.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      UselessArgonianMage wrote: Ulfric: "What are taxes? Do they have to do with how much someone is a true son or daughter of Skyrim!?!?"

      Jorleif: "I don't think-"

      Ulfric: "INCREASE THEM! For Skyrim! For the Nords!"

      Jorleif: *Facepalm*

      This is awesome. And so begins my quest for youtube vids regarding Ulfric.

      I'd love to watch that. 

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:

      UselessArgonianMage wrote: Ulfric: "What are taxes? Do they have to do with how much someone is a true son or daughter of Skyrim!?!?"

      Jorleif: "I don't think-"

      Ulfric: "INCREASE THEM! For Skyrim! For the Nords!"

      Jorleif: *Facepalm*

      This is awesome. And so begins my quest for youtube vids regarding Ulfric.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_L8228rx0w

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    • Then, check out "Ulfric visits the Grey Quarter" by CICEBRO.

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    • SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Then, check out "Ulfric visits the Grey Quarter" by CICEBRO.

      I watched it too. XD Looks like the Jarl of Windhelm is worshipping someone secretly...

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    • HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      Then, check out "Ulfric visits the Grey Quarter" by CICEBRO.
      I watched it too. XD Looks like the Jarl of Windhelm is worshipping someone secretly...

      To me, the video appears to be saying that Ulfric worships this guy.

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    • Ulfric doesn't worship Hitler, he laughs at Hitler.

      Ulfric attitude and ambition, when compared to Hitler's, makes Hitler look like a kind little girl.

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      Ulfric doesn't worship Hitler, he laughs at Hitler.

      Ulfric attitude and ambition, when compared to Hitler's, makes Hitler look like a kind little girl.

      Hadron... cmon really dude. -_-

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    • You should see what Ulfric did at Karthwasten, or how he reclaimed the Reach.

      Just read this book. Written by a guy who experienced both events, non-biased primary source.

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      You should see what Ulfric did at Karthwasten, or how he reclaimed the Reach.

      Just read this book. Written by a guy who experienced both events, non-biased primary source.

      I have to ask Lord Hadron, do you use a special kind of Skooma or something?

      Cause your imagination is really out there, I want what you're having.

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    • I had some Nord Mead recently. Wanted to try something new.

      I think this explains my...

      good intuitions.

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    • The majority of this Book Is proven to be Imperial propaganda And strategic lies, used by the empire in hopes of gaining the Reachmens' Support, though the Reachmen despise both the empire and the Stormcloaks.

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      I had some Nord Mead recently. Wanted to try something new.

      I think this explains my...

      good intuitions.

      Pff, that actually made me laugh.

      Good one :-)

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    • 83.255.138.68

      Imperials have no reason whatsoever to gain the favor of the Reachmen. They started this little Reach conflict, and they have no intention of calming the situation.

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    • 80.216.214.210 wrote:

      Lord Hadron wrote:
      I had some Nord Mead recently. Wanted to try something new.

      I think this explains my...

      good intuitions.

      Pff, that actually made me laugh.

      Good one :-)

      You know what else I'm gonna drink?

      NORD BLOOD!

      NORD BLOOD!

      NORD BLOOD!


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    • Lord Hadron wrote:

      You know what else I'm gonna drink?

      NORD BLOOD!

      NORD BLOOD!

      NORD BLOOD!


      Here's a Nord, drink away;

      http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Harkon

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    • And that book's only purpose is to smear Ulfric, doesn't do it very well of course.

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    • Lord Hadron wrote:
      You should see what Ulfric did at Karthwasten, or how he reclaimed the Reach.

      Just read this book. Written by a guy who experienced both events, non-biased primary source.

      The Bear of Markarth is the most biased freaking book in the game. It was made by an Imperial, Arrianus Arius, which itself is suppicious but what really gives it away is this line.

      "So when a "grateful" Empire accepted Ulfric's victory and sent soldiers to re-establish the rule of law in the Reach, it was no surprise that he would demand to be allowed to worship Talos freely before the Legion could enter. With chaos running through the streets of Markarth and the reports of deaths rising every day, the Empire had no choice but to grant Ulfric and his men their worship."

      The Empire did absolutely nothing to help the Markarth Incident, Jarl Igmund himself tells you that it was him and his father Hrolfdir that allowed Talos to be worshipped in the Reach; and the reason why they did it was so people would join the militia, led by Ulfric Stormcloak, that he created.

      The Bear of Markarth is obviously made to slander Ulfric Stormcloak.

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    • I still cant believe that mostly guys are talking about this.

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    • Dovahsebrom

      I never said the Empire did anything to help. It was them who started this Reach war.

      But I still find that book believable enough.

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    • But can you try to re-word the book in a non-biased way?

      There won't be to many changes, actually, try to re-word the paragraph from the book that you just quoted which isn't biased as you say it is.

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    • I never said the Empire did anything to help.

      That isn't my point, my point is that the book says they did intervene in the Markarth Incident. Which simply isn't true.


      But can you try to re-word the book in a non-biased way?

      There won't be to many changes, actually, try to re-word the paragraph from the book that you just quoted which isn't biased as you say it is.

      Not sure what you are trying to say here.

      It sounds like you're telling me to rephrase the quote in a non-biased way and then use that as evidence that it isn't biased?

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    • I'm saying, whether the book is biased or not, however it is worded, the events told in the book are still real.

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    • What I am saying is that no, they didn't happen.

      The book says that Ulfric demanded, after reclaiming Markarth, that the empire give them the right to worship Talos.

      That doesn't make sense because Jarl Hrolfdir had already given them the right to do so. THAT"S HOW HE WAS ABLE TO FORM THE MILITIA IN THE FIRST PLACE.

      When there is such a blatant and biased lie as this in the book, you can't take anything else in the book seriously.

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    • I CAN TAKE THIS BOOK SERIOUSLY!

      Bestheda authorized that book!

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    • You can't believe everything Bethesda puts in books... they do this on purpose.

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    • What about the book The Guardian and the Traitor?

      Or the The 'Madmen' of the Reach?

      Are those books full of lies?

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    • If they have evidence that is blantly contradicted by a more trustworthy source, than no, they wouldn't be reliable.

      The Guardian and the Traitor for example has no contradictions so it is based on something that probably did happen as it is referring to two people that actually lived and a secret plot that actually did happen. Whether or not it is exactly acurate can't be said but there is nothing that says otherwise

      The Madmen of the Reach on the other hand is written by the same person who made The Bear of Markarth which means that book could be biased just by association.

      My main point is that books are most often reliable, but you just have to make sure if they are or not.

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    • well if you could marry Ulfric it could make out to be quite the love story: "two star-crossed lovers, one being the rebellious jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, the other whom does not yet know their destiny, met on their way to the chopping block, unbenounced to them they would live through the chopping block, but at the cost of being separated for talos knows how long........."

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    • Why do you whant to marry a "RACIST DICK" like ulfric? HE'S RACIST AND RACISM IS NO OKAY!!!!!

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    • im not saying i want to marry him, im saying that there is possiblilty for a love story in there hahaha

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    • Mugicman66 wrote:
      Why do you whant to marry a "RACIST DICK" like ulfric? HE'S RACIST AND RACISM IS NO OKAY!!!!!

      I think you should read this page made by Harold Burned-Mane, it makes some very good points about Ulfric.

      http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Harold_Burned-Mane/The_Truth_about_Ulfric_Stormcloak

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    • BUT HE IS VERY RACIST AND I'M NOT OKAY WILL PEPOLE LIKING RACIEM

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    • Mugicman66 wrote:
      BUT HE IS VERY RACIST AND I'M NOT OKAY WILL PEPOLE LIKING RACIEM

      Did you read the article.

      P.S your spelling is atrocious.

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    • yes i did and i see that i was wrong about him but most stormclocks are raceist and sorry for poor spelling i am not the sharpest knife in thr draw.

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    • noticed a while back someone asked who started this thread. i did. perhaps i should have that said  'all war-obsessed guys please get in on this.' at least the first guy to comment had some courtesy and left the politics to people with nothing better to do than argue.

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    • 108.253.68.177 wrote:
      well if you could marry Ulfric it could make out to be quite the love story: "two star-crossed lovers, one being the rebellious jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, the other whom does not yet know their destiny, met on their way to the chopping block, unbenounced to them they would live through the chopping block, but at the cost of being separated for talos knows how long........."

      beautiful. just lovely dear.

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    • 83.255.138.68 wrote:
      The stormcloaks can hold their ground against the Aldmeri Dominion. The only reason the "Empire" stands a BIGGER chance at holding their ground against the Aldmeri Dominion, is because they got better business connections - more gold. 

      As stated in a certain letter, the Thalmor "appreciates" the current civil war, because it weakens Skyrims forces (Both Stormcloak-forces and Empire-forces). An Empire victory, as well as a Stormcloak victory, "is to be avoided".

      I don't see why people hate on Ulfric. He is a damn hero, he fights for freedom, ending the oppression of the people. You can't blame the Stormcloaks for doing what they are doing. It is very admirable, and natural. They want to govern themselves, worship the god they want to etc. But, I admit, the rebellion against the oppressive Empire could've been postponed (or atleast they could've started a secret organization, hunting down Thalmor / Empire forces that executes talos-worshippers etc, and wait until the presumably upcoming war with the Thalmor is over)

      But I will not and can not join the Empire and kill off the Stormcloaks. Since they are admirable and their cause is 100% just. Ulfric is also very admirable.

      90% of the empires forces are damn puppets. Just like the citizens of Solitude, and helgen, who  blindly cry out "Justice!" "Death to the Stormcloaks!"


      The age of oppression is just about done, my friends! Let the souls of Skyrim burn strong and freely! FOR THE STORMCLOAKS! FOR ULFRIC!

      OMFG!!!!!!!! :D

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    • OMFG!!!!!! :D X10 Its over 9000!!!!!!

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    • As much as I love Skyrim, and I do love Skyrim, you are all aware that is it just a game? Ulfric isn't real... although his voice is a little hot, I suppose.

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    • If you read the Thalmor Dossier rather than toss it aside after completing the quest, you should know the Thalmor are more fearful of the Empire than they are of Ulfric. Ulfric basically played right into their grubby yellow hands. Tullius even implies in dialogue that a second Great War is likely between the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion. An entire Empire comprised of every province stands a better chance than a ragtag team of snowbacks trying to pick up allies.

      The only way I see the Empire not standing a better chance is if someone kills Titus and/or Tullius. The only advantage Skyrim has is the cold climate, the distance between it and the Summerset Isles, and the resilience of the Nords. However, Cyrodiil was chosen as the seat of the Empire for a reason.

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    • In any case, Ulfric's heart is in the right place for this war... but his mind is not.

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    • SonjavonRuuden wrote:
      173.218.132.185 wrote:
      for the love of pete what is wrong with you people?! have you all forgotten that the empire wanted to behead you?
      If Ulfrickin' Stormcloak hadn't started his rebellion, we wouldn't have been caught in that ambush, and we wouldn't have ended up in Helgan, right? So it's Ulfric's fault.

      wait so we are all dragonborn?

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    • Wut?

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    • Did we just trip through a rift into the Shivering Isles are something? Because you aren't making any sense.

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    • i just kidding 

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    • 83.255.138.68 wrote:
      The stormcloaks can hold their ground against the Aldmeri Dominion. The only reason the "Empire" stands a BIGGER chance at holding their ground against the Aldmeri Dominion, is because they got better business connections - more gold. 

      As stated in a certain letter, the Thalmor "appreciates" the current civil war, because it weakens Skyrims forces (Both Stormcloak-forces and Empire-forces). An Empire victory, as well as a Stormcloak victory, "is to be avoided".

      I don't see why people hate on Ulfric. He is a damn hero, he fights for freedom, ending the oppression of the people. You can't blame the Stormcloaks for doing what they are doing. It is very admirable, and natural. They want to govern themselves, worship the god they want to etc. But, I admit, the rebellion against the oppressive Empire could've been postponed (or atleast they could've started a secret organization, hunting down Thalmor / Empire forces that executes talos-worshippers etc, and wait until the presumably upcoming war with the Thalmor is over)

      But I will not and can not join the Empire and kill off the Stormcloaks. Since they are admirable and their cause is 100% just. Ulfric is also very admirable.

      90% of the empires forces are damn puppets. Just like the citizens of Solitude, and helgen, who  blindly cry out "Justice!" "Death to the Stormcloaks!"


      The age of oppression is just about done, my friends! Let the souls of Skyrim burn strong and freely! FOR THE STORMCLOAKS! FOR ULFRIC!

      i strongly agree with him. his reasons are very justifyed. so you can go run off to the people who nearly killed you, but i'm sticking to the stormcloaks!



      Saterra
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    • (i still have no idea what happened to my sign)

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    • I think if you gave Ulfric the brain, compassion and the general nice guy element of Tullius and some element of Dovahkiin, he could be a hero in his own right.

      Ulfric's cause is a good one - Although I don't really support Ulfric the man, I am more stormcloak aligned. Just look at the real world, empires never end well.

      His beliefs do have some problem - he should at least try to help the dumner and argonians, as well as set fair wages, as this helps to prove he is not racist and its a brilliant political maneuver. Sparing non thalmor high elves will attract more people to his cause. I know Ulfric is not racist at heart, but his actions do seem a little extreme to the commoners.

      He is not too intelligent - he is skilled in heavy armor yet he fights in clothes. He can give you a daedric sword of the vampire (which means he has one), but he uses a lousy axe. He can wear the jagged crown as armor yet he dosen't. If Ulfric went to solitude in daedric armor with the jagged crown on his brow, it would be way impressive.

      He could try reconciliation with the empire camps after defeating them, but he did not. A real good general builds his forces from good men from both sides of the war, so the the enemy is weakened while his forces are strenghtened. In fact, thalmor defectors (that are not spies) make the best soldiers, because they know their former friends.

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    • 202.156.8.15 wrote:

      He is not too intelligent - he is skilled in heavy armor yet he fights in clothes. He can give you a daedric sword of the vampire (which means he has one), but he uses a lousy axe. He can wear the jagged crown as armor yet he dosen't. If Ulfric went to solitude in daedric armor with the jagged crown on his brow, it would be way impressive.

      Gameplay ≠ Lore

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    • use a bit of firestorm to roast him and he's boiling hot, then tear out his spine reforged with good steel and turn it into a sword then bless it with his heart (as long as you don't kill him in the civil war imperial side he will still be esential and thus his heart will still beat, better graphic look that way) have that in the centre of the hilt, some veins wraped round the sword and give it a fire enchantment anf Ulfric will always be hot and very useful in my book, but who to kill with the Heartspine sword? I know Stormcloaks, yes, yes let's kill some Stormcloaks with the Heartspine sword. lol

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    • (lemme answer her question pls)

      Well... He's the bold nord warrior type, which makes him seem "sexy" in certain eyes... Ulfric's voice actor has such an incredible voice indeed... Which add some points... BUT I dislike his face, and his clothes gives him a "beer belly".

      Talking only about appearances, I prefer Jarl Korir or Dead King Torygg. (Imperial Legion FTW)


      But, putting up appearances, smarts and personality, I'd bump them for Onmund, Farkas or Roggi Knot-Beard.

      Onmund_ Cute little pie, isn't he? Smart, reserved, good friend. But that chin of his...

      Farkas_ Such a good puppy indeed, rough outside, but, once you get to know him, he is a caring sweetheart.

      Roggi_ Good story teller, I'm sure he'd make anything for his wife... Cheering her up in bad days with a good story would be just perfect, and, in exchange, she tell him about her adventures across all of Tamriel! :D


      Just to confirm, I'm a girl, k?

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      202.156.8.15 wrote:

      He is not too intelligent - he is skilled in heavy armor yet he fights in clothes. He can give you a daedric sword of the vampire (which means he has one), but he uses a lousy axe. He can wear the jagged crown as armor yet he dosen't. If Ulfric went to solitude in daedric armor with the jagged crown on his brow, it would be way impressive.

      Gameplay ≠ Lore

      If he can give you a sword at the end of a quest, it means he has one in his pocket all along. No denying that.

      At least steel plate, Ok? cause in real life, it is foolish to go to a melee without some form of armor unless you are Wolverine.

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    • 202.156.8.10 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      202.156.8.15 wrote:

      He is not too intelligent - he is skilled in heavy armor yet he fights in clothes. He can give you a daedric sword of the vampire (which means he has one), but he uses a lousy axe. He can wear the jagged crown as armor yet he dosen't. If Ulfric went to solitude in daedric armor with the jagged crown on his brow, it would be way impressive.

      Gameplay ≠ Lore
      If he can give you a sword at the end of a quest, it means he has one in his pocket all along. No denying that.

      The only reason why Ulfric can give you Daedra weapons is because of the same immersion-killing leveled looting system that allows you to find Dwarven and Daedric armor in Ancient Nordic ruins.

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      202.156.8.10 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      202.156.8.15 wrote:

      He is not too intelligent - he is skilled in heavy armor yet he fights in clothes. He can give you a daedric sword of the vampire (which means he has one), but he uses a lousy axe. He can wear the jagged crown as armor yet he dosen't. If Ulfric went to solitude in daedric armor with the jagged crown on his brow, it would be way impressive.

      Gameplay ≠ Lore
      If he can give you a sword at the end of a quest, it means he has one in his pocket all along. No denying that.
      The only reason why Ulfric can give you Daedra weapons is because of the same immersion-killing leveled looting system that allows you to find Dwarven and Daedric armor in Ancient Nordic ruins.

      You-dont-say.jpg

      -thatdudewit6hthegun

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      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      202.156.8.10 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      202.156.8.15 wrote:

      He is not too intelligent - he is skilled in heavy armor yet he fights in clothes. He can give you a daedric sword of the vampire (which means he has one), but he uses a lousy axe. He can wear the jagged crown as armor yet he dosen't. If Ulfric went to solitude in daedric armor with the jagged crown on his brow, it would be way impressive.

      Gameplay ≠ Lore
      If he can give you a sword at the end of a quest, it means he has one in his pocket all along. No denying that.
      The only reason why Ulfric can give you Daedra weapons is because of the same immersion-killing leveled looting system that allows you to find Dwarven and Daedric armor in Ancient Nordic ruins.

      You-dont-say.jpg

      -thatdudewiththegun

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      202.156.8.10 wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      202.156.8.15 wrote:

      He is not too intelligent - he is skilled in heavy armor yet he fights in clothes. He can give you a daedric sword of the vampire (which means he has one), but he uses a lousy axe. He can wear the jagged crown as armor yet he dosen't. If Ulfric went to solitude in daedric armor with the jagged crown on his brow, it would be way impressive.

      Gameplay ≠ Lore
      If he can give you a sword at the end of a quest, it means he has one in his pocket all along. No denying that.
      The only reason why Ulfric can give you Daedra weapons is because of the same immersion-killing leveled looting system that allows you to find Dwarven and Daedric armor in Ancient Nordic ruins.

      He still gives at least Ebony, which is easily obtainable in a nordic ruin

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    • 202.156.8.15 wrote:
      I think if you gave Ulfric the brain, compassion and the general nice guy element of Tullius and some element of Dovahkiin, he could be a hero in his own right.

      Ulfric's cause is a good one - Although I don't really support Ulfric the man, I am more stormcloak aligned. Just look at the real world, empires never end well.

      His beliefs do have some problem - he should at least try to help the dumner and argonians, as well as set fair wages, as this helps to prove he is not racist and its a brilliant political maneuver. Sparing non thalmor high elves will attract more people to his cause. I know Ulfric is not racist at heart, but his actions do seem a little extreme to the commoners.

      He is not too intelligent - he is skilled in heavy armor yet he fights in clothes. He can give you a daedric sword of the vampire (which means he has one), but he uses a lousy axe. He can wear the jagged crown as armor yet he dosen't. If Ulfric went to solitude in daedric armor with the jagged crown on his brow, it would be way impressive.

      He could try reconciliation with the empire camps after defeating them, but he did not. A real good general builds his forces from good men from both sides of the war, so the the enemy is weakened while his forces are strenghtened. In fact, thalmor defectors (that are not spies) make the best soldiers, because they know their former friends.

      Tullius? Nice guy? Are you joking? 

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    • 72.240.140.202 wrote:
      If you read the Thalmor Dossier rather than toss it aside after completing the quest, you should know the Thalmor are more fearful of the Empire than they are of Ulfric. Ulfric basically played right into their grubby yellow hands. Tullius even implies in dialogue that a second Great War is likely between the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion. An entire Empire comprised of every province stands a better chance than a ragtag team of snowbacks trying to pick up allies.

      The only way I see the Empire not standing a better chance is if someone kills Titus and/or Tullius. The only advantage Skyrim has is the cold climate, the distance between it and the Summerset Isles, and the resilience of the Nords. However, Cyrodiil was chosen as the seat of the Empire for a reason.

      Is that why the Thalmor claim in that very Dossier a Stormcloak victory is to be avoided? 

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    • I'm willing to give it a shot once more. Why isn't Tullius a nice guy? He says some nice things at the end of the Imperial questline, about the Nords. A Stormcloak victory would weaken the Empire. A prolonged war, too. Ulfric would cause both.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      I'm willing to give it a shot once more. Why isn't Tullius a nice guy? He says some nice things at the end of the Imperial questline, about the Nords. A Stormcloak victory would weaken the Empire. A prolonged war, too. Ulfric would cause both.

      So he treats everyone like crap the entire Imperial questline, but when he says one nice thing, then he's a "nice guy" o.O? 

      But why would they say a Stormcloak victory was to be avoided if they fearded the Empire? It makes no sense? Also, you're under the assumption that Ulfric started the war, which is untrue.

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    • He's a General, for Shepherd's sake. What he says at the end shows that he learned with the Nords, which is not something a bad guy would do.

      What i'm saying is that if the Stormcloaks were to win, it would weaken the Empire, which would help the Dominion. But a prolonged war would help the Dominion more, and, since they're greedy, they want it better than the Stormcloak victory.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      He's a General, for Shepherd's sake. What he says at the end shows that he learned with the Nords, which is not something a bad guy would do.

      What i'm saying is that if the Stormcloaks were to win, it would weaken the Empire, which would help the Dominion. But a prolonged war would help the Dominion more, and, since they're greedy, they want it better than the Stormcloak victory.

      Galmar is a general, and he's WAY better to you then Tullius or Rikke in my opinion. 

      But that doesn't make sense. The Empire is the only thing defending the Dominion, without it, they would have nothing to hid behind and would almost certainly be destroyed by the Stormcloaks. 

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    • Tullius is a General of the military force of the ruling body of Tamriel. Galmar is a xenophobic commander of a thousand-men army. And he treats you better if you're a Nord.

      You see, Zipper? That's why we say your arguments are opinions. You throw stuff like "Dominon being destroyed by Stormcloaks, Dominion being protected by the Empire, Dominion being afraid of the Stormcloaks", what do you expect us to do? Believe it?

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    • The definitive turning point for me was when I did the Missing in Action quest. The Mujahideen of the Far North storming their Abu Ghraib, risking their lives to free their brothers.

      My character joined the Stormcloaks immediately after that. I have hearted the Nords and their struggle against the Oppressor ever since.

      Imperialism is the worst of all evils. It must be responded to accordingly.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Tullius is a General of the military force of the ruling body of Tamriel. Galmar is a xenophobic commander of a thousand-men army. And he treats you better if you're a Nord.

      You see, Zipper? That's why we say your arguments are opinions. You throw stuff like "Dominon being destroyed by Stormcloaks, Dominion being protected by the Empire, Dominion being afraid of the Stormcloaks", what do you expect us to do? Believe it?

      He's never once shown a sign of being Xenophobic. A thousand man? Please, they have nearly as much as the biggest Legion the Empire has to offer, and according to Legate Rikke, it's growing everyday! 

      In the grand scheme of things everything we say here are opinions, so that point doesn't hold much weight. But it is true, the Dominion lost so much it in the Great War it's a very safe assumption that they don't have anything left, unless they make soldiers in factories by the thousands. 

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    • Hmm? Nothing along the lines of "We'll drive out those filthy elves"? Are you sure? And do not say that the elves he's referring to are only the Thalmor. How much people do you think Skyrim has, realistically? Among the farmers, the war-casualties and the legionnaires? A thousand was very generous of my part.

      Sure, but could snow-raised , bulky men raid the land of the most advanced arcane crafts? The Dominion must have left some of its forces at the capital. And imagine how powerful are the Heads of State of Alinor? We're talking about Altmer, here.

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    • Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Hmm? Nothing along the lines of "We'll drive out those filthy elves"? Are you sure? And do not say that the elves he's referring to are only the Thalmor. How much people do you think Skyrim has, realistically? Among the farmers, the war-casualties and the legionnaires? A thousand was very generous of my part.

      Sure, but could snow-raised , bulky men raid the land of the most advanced arcane crafts? The Dominion must have left some of its forces at the capital. And imagine how powerful are the Heads of State of Alinor? We're talking about Altmer, here.

      Positive. Unless you take things he said out of context. When he says Elves, he's talking about the Thalmor. Skyrim is realistically one of the most populated provinces in Tamriel. The Nords have been living there for thousands of years, and they reproduce faster then elves. I would say the bare minimum is a 100 thousand. 

      With the help of the Bretons, Redguards, Dunmer, and the Psijic Order I think they easily could. Realistically, the amount they would've needed to leave would be quite small, and wouldn't make much of a difference. And were talking about Nords, some of the greatest warriors on Tamriel. Why are you acting like they have no strengths what so ever? 

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    • Don't quote, please. It's laggy as it is. If you truly think he wants Skyrim to be an equal land, with Nords, Dunmer, Argonians and Altmer living side by side, i'll give you my praise, for your insanity surpasses mine.

      The only ones with a remote chance of joining the Stormcloaks are the Redguards, if they judge them worthy. I'm acting like the defenders of Alinor are ultra-overpowered, and i intend on believing axes and warhammers can do little against magnified area-of-effect spells and behemoths (expression) conjured out of thin air.

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    • What are you even talking about? 

      100% not true. House Redoran has almost identical beliefs to the Stormcloaks, so do the Redguards. What reasons would they have for not joining them? The Psijics hate the Dominion, they would probably help anyone who tries to liberate the Isles from them. High Rock will need a trading patner if the Stormcloaks win, since they'll loose connections with Cyrodiil, so that's four nations against one with an already damaged army, not to mention how not even all the Elves in the Summerset Isles support them. 

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    • Galmar wants a Skyrim for the Nords. But this is probably biased, because i base this on how he speaks.

      Do you think the leaders will do everything based on how much said option will help them based on logic? Don't you think their feelings regarding the so-called barbarians who toppled the Empire because they wanted to won't be taken into account? The Bretons would most likely spit at the very idea of joining the lowly Nords and the Dunmer would probably do worse. And where did you got the idea of the Psijics hating the Dominion? They don't hate anyone, they do what they do for the sake of Nirn and for the sake of knowledge. I'll probably have to leave soon, connection is starting to show signs of bitchin'.

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      • Facepalm*. 

      No he doesn't. Unless made up things he said count. Because I explained how what he said is NOT a sign of racism or nationalism. 

      Where I come from this is what we call a baslesss assumption. The Bretons and Dunmer would spit at the idea of joining the Nords? Is there even the remotest shrede of evidence anywhere in lore that this would even be the slightest bit true? I'm not trying to come off at patronizing, but I'm just saying, it does appear as baseless. Play the College of Winterhold Questline, they talk about how they don't like the Dominion, and the Dominion doesn't like them. 

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Hmm? Nothing along the lines of "We'll drive out those filthy elves"? Are you sure? And do not say that the elves he's referring to are only the Thalmor. How much people do you think Skyrim has, realistically? Among the farmers, the war-casualties and the legionnaires? A thousand was very generous of my part.

      Sure, but could snow-raised , bulky men raid the land of the most advanced arcane crafts? The Dominion must have left some of its forces at the capital. And imagine how powerful are the Heads of State of Alinor? We're talking about Altmer, here.

      Positive. Unless you take things he said out of context. When he says Elves, he's talking about the Thalmor. Skyrim is realistically one of the most populated provinces in Tamriel. The Nords have been living there for thousands of years, and they reproduce faster then elves. I would say the bare minimum is a 100 thousand. 

      With the help of the Bretons, Redguards, Dunmer, and the Psijic Order I think they easily could. Realistically, the amount they would've needed to leave would be quite small, and wouldn't make much of a difference. And were talking about Nords, some of the greatest warriors on Tamriel. Why are you acting like they have no strengths what so ever? 

      Why would House Redoran, the current ruling body of the Great Houses of Morrowind, would help the Stormcloaks?? This is absurd, seeing how Ulfric treated the Dunmer in Windhelm? The Argonians? I don't think so either. Why? They almost destroyed all of Morrowind, not to mention their buring hatred against the Dunmer for their previous enslavement at the hands of House Telvanni. Also see how the Argonians are forbidden to even enter inside Windhelm aside their assemblage. The Bretons don't want to help either, as I heard from Ulfric & Galmar during a conversation.

      P.S. In Ulfric's conversation about the Bretons, your only chance of hearing it is while you're doing the Civil War Quest in favor of the Stormcloaks. "Not a peep." I heard from Galmar regarding Ulfric's request of aid from High Rock.

      And About Tullius being a heartless bastard, did you know that one should never let petty emotions get in the way of their mission or duty?

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    • HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:
      Sky Above,Voice Within wrote:
      Hmm? Nothing along the lines of "We'll drive out those filthy elves"? Are you sure? And do not say that the elves he's referring to are only the Thalmor. How much people do you think Skyrim has, realistically? Among the farmers, the war-casualties and the legionnaires? A thousand was very generous of my part.

      Sure, but could snow-raised , bulky men raid the land of the most advanced arcane crafts? The Dominion must have left some of its forces at the capital. And imagine how powerful are the Heads of State of Alinor? We're talking about Altmer, here.

      Positive. Unless you take things he said out of context. When he says Elves, he's talking about the Thalmor. Skyrim is realistically one of the most populated provinces in Tamriel. The Nords have been living there for thousands of years, and they reproduce faster then elves. I would say the bare minimum is a 100 thousand. 

      With the help of the Bretons, Redguards, Dunmer, and the Psijic Order I think they easily could. Realistically, the amount they would've needed to leave would be quite small, and wouldn't make much of a difference. And were talking about Nords, some of the greatest warriors on Tamriel. Why are you acting like they have no strengths what so ever? 

      Why would House Redoran, the current ruling body of the Great Houses of Morrowind, would help the Stormcloaks?? This is absurd, seeing how Ulfric treated the Dunmer in Windhelm? The Argonians? I don't think so either. Why? They almost destroyed all of Morrowind, not to mention their buring hatred against the Dunmer for their previous enslavement at the hands of House Telvanni. Also see how the Argonians are forbidden to even enter inside Windhelm aside their assemblage. The Bretons don't want to help either, as I heard from Ulfric & Galmar during a conversation.

      P.S. In Ulfric's conversation about the Bretons, your only chance of hearing it is while you're doing the Civil War Quest in favor of the Stormcloaks. "Not a peep." I heard from Galmar regarding Ulfric's request of aid from High Rock.

      And About Tullius being a heartless bastard, did you know that one should never let petty emotions get in the way of their mission or duty?

      Ha, Ulfric doesn't treat the Dunmer badly at all. This is a common Imperial lie. The Dunmer live there because they have a deal with Ulfric, they govern themselves in Skyrim and don't pay taxes, read the Decree of monument. Most Argonians don't hate the Dunmer actually, since they SOLD slaves to the Argonians, research the Archeins tribe. Oh please, they are not "forbidden" from entering the city, they can enter whenever they want, they only live outside because they were homeless in the city, and they have a homeless shelter, please stop with the propaganda. 

      Then you have hearing problems. Galmer SPECIFICALLY says how they have currently not responded. 

      I only brought that that up because someone said Tullius had a "nice guy" attitude. Go tell them that. 

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    • Honestly, how do you expect a Two-Handed Stormcloak Soldier to destroy Thalmor High Mages who casts Incinerate/Icy Spear/Thunderbolt? I've seen countless Stormcloaks in random encounters ALWAYS lose to three Thalmor Justiciars who cast adept-to-expert Destruction spells, for me just to kill the Thalmor patrol next since my character is a Blood-Starved Vampire.

      Don't get me wrong. I respect the Stormcloaks too, even though I sided with no one. But unless they learn how to respect the Clever Craft like their fore-fathers did, I don't see how they or Skyrim will stand a chance against the Thalmor alone.

      "Only cowards hunt animals. Real game walks on two legs." - The Dragonborn, to Anoriath

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    • HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      Honestly, how do you expect a Two-Handed Stormcloak Soldier to destroy Thalmor High Mages who casts Incinerate/Icy Spear/Thunderbolt? I've seen countless Stormcloaks in random encounters ALWAYS lose to three Thalmor Justiciars who cast adept-to-expert Destruction spells, for me just to kill the Thalmor patrol next since my character is a Blood-Starved Vampire.

      Don't get me wrong. I respect the Stormcloaks too, even though I sided with no one. But unless they learn how to respect the Clever Craft like their fore-fathers did, I don't see how they or Skyrim will stand a chance against the Thalmor alone.

      "Only cowards hunt animals. Real game walks on two legs." - The Dragonborn, to Anoriath

      Yes, since those Thalmor mages have no protection from a simple sword other then robes. Gameplay doesn't equal lore, try again. 

      They do, they might not be downright mages, but they use destruction and resotration, as shown by guard dialogue. 

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    • If Akatosh would allow it, My character should offer his/her Enchanting Services to the Stormcloak Army to allow them to easily destroy the Thalmor, Imperials, and Azura-knows-what else...

      Ever heard of the tale of Ahzidal? I heard he offered his services to the original 500 Companions, and as a result the Atmorans/Nords easily butchered the Snow Elves with enchanted apparel & weapons.

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    • HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      If Akatosh would allow it, My character should offer his/her Enchanting Services to the Stormcloak Army to allow them to easily destroy the Thalmor, Imperials, and Azura-knows-what else...

      Ever heard of the tale of Ahzidal? I heard he offered his services to the original 500 Companions, and as a result the Atmorans/Nords easily butchered the Snow Elves with enchanted apparel & weapons.

      Lol, This one I agree - If my dovahkiin offered his alchemy, enchanting and smithing to the stormcloaks, as well as went full gear at gloomsbound mine and all the ebony spots (as well as buy every last ingot), the thalmor will have a very good reason to be afraid...

      No petty magic elf can stand against the boots of fire and shock resist on a nord, equipped with fully enchanted ebony apparel with a 350 damage ebony sword of the vampire that sucks 100 HP per strike, never running out of charges (I am not bragging about my enchanting here, I am pretty sure all of you can do the same, given patience, time and soul gems). Its even possible to hand out daedric bows, swords, greatswords and armor.

      Also, a good strategy would be to force the stormcloaks to go up to the lord stone or atronach stone and activate it.

      If this works out, GG to the thalmor, really. The summerset isles will be crushed in no time, as magic impermeable soldiers ravage a land of pure magic (trust me - the glass swords are nothing)...

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    • HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      If Akatosh would allow it, My character should offer his/her Enchanting Services to the Stormcloak Army to allow them to easily destroy the Thalmor, Imperials, and Azura-knows-what else...

      Ever heard of the tale of Ahzidal? I heard he offered his services to the original 500 Companions, and as a result the Atmorans/Nords easily butchered the Snow Elves with enchanted apparel & weapons.

      I guarentee you there must be some type of Enchanting services in the Stormcloak rebellion. I highly doubt they wouldn't use it, especially seeing how much Nords value strength in combat, what's stronger then a good enchantment? And they could use the souls from Fallen Thalmor soldiers. 

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      I guarentee you there must be some type of Enchanting services in the Stormcloak rebellion. I highly doubt they wouldn't use it, especially seeing how much Nords value strength in combat, what's stronger then a good enchantment? And they could use the souls from Fallen Thalmor soldiers. 

      Ulfric's war axe is enchanted, its an axe of cowardice(basicly an axe of battle cry). I doubt he is the only stormcloak that has an enchanted weapon.

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    • Zippertrain85 wrote:
      HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      If Akatosh would allow it, My character should offer his/her Enchanting Services to the Stormcloak Army to allow them to easily destroy the Thalmor, Imperials, and Azura-knows-what else...

      Ever heard of the tale of Ahzidal? I heard he offered his services to the original 500 Companions, and as a result the Atmorans/Nords easily butchered the Snow Elves with enchanted apparel & weapons.

      I guarentee you there must be some type of Enchanting services in the Stormcloak rebellion. I highly doubt they wouldn't use it, especially seeing how much Nords value strength in combat, what's stronger then a good enchantment? And they could use the souls from Fallen Thalmor soldiers. 

      Very good point. They should also provide an ample supply of Black Soul Gems. And for Enchanting Services, why not the College of Winterhold? A man named Sergius provides his services to some people in Skyrim. There is also the Dibellan Priestess Hamal, who is a Master Enchanter and also a trainer.

      Best of all, the Ideal Masters would be so pleased with all those souls...

      Darn. I wish there really was a system in Skyrim that you can provide Enchanting & other services to the side you're on.

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    • Hamsterlampglade wrote: Male... I swing for both... Yes yes I do

      I have a flaming, shameless boy-crush on Ulfric. But, Vorstag owns my heart. <3

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    • HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      Zippertrain85 wrote:
      HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      If Akatosh would allow it, My character should offer his/her Enchanting Services to the Stormcloak Army to allow them to easily destroy the Thalmor, Imperials, and Azura-knows-what else...

      Ever heard of the tale of Ahzidal? I heard he offered his services to the original 500 Companions, and as a result the Atmorans/Nords easily butchered the Snow Elves with enchanted apparel & weapons.

      I guarentee you there must be some type of Enchanting services in the Stormcloak rebellion. I highly doubt they wouldn't use it, especially seeing how much Nords value strength in combat, what's stronger then a good enchantment? And they could use the souls from Fallen Thalmor soldiers. 
      Very good point. They should also provide an ample supply of Black Soul Gems. And for Enchanting Services, why not the College of Winterhold? A man named Sergius provides his services to some people in Skyrim. There is also the Dibellan Priestess Hamal, who is a Master Enchanter and also a trainer.

      Best of all, the Ideal Masters would be so pleased with all those souls...

      Darn. I wish there really was a system in Skyrim that you can provide Enchanting & other services to the side you're on.

      I completely agree, Enchanting is one of the most powerful and cool skills in the game, it should be used A LOT more. 

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    • Enchanting Services are one of the few things that keep us in touch with the rest of Skyrim.

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    • HumbleDaedricServant wrote:
      Enchanting Services are one of the few things that keep us in touch with the rest of Skyrim.

      XD

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    • That was Sergius' line.

      Also he said: "I bet we could blow up half of Eastmarch, and people would still come to us for Enchantments."

      O_o What an unfortunate disaster it would be...

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    • I know that's his quote, that's why I laughed. 

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    • Ignorant Stormcloak. Don't you see that Ufric is racist!!!! Even though...He does let Altmer and Imperials live nice lives in Windhelm...And he also let's a Dunmer own a succesful farm in his land...Ummm...

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    • ScholarOfTheScrolls wrote:
      Ignorant Stormcloak. Don't you see that Ufric is racist!!!! Even though...He does let Altmer and Imperials live nice lives in Windhelm...And he also let's a Dunmer own a succesful farm in his land...Ummm...

      XD

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    • HumbleDaedricServant wrote:

      Very good point. They should also provide an ample supply of Black Soul Gems. And for Enchanting Services, why not the College of Winterhold? A man named Sergius provides his services to some people in Skyrim. 

      The College has made it very clear that they will have nothing to do with the War.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      HumbleDaedricServant wrote:

      Very good point. They should also provide an ample supply of Black Soul Gems. And for Enchanting Services, why not the College of Winterhold? A man named Sergius provides his services to some people in Skyrim. 

      The College has made it very clear that they will have nothing to do with the War.

      Can't remember when they said that. And I find it hard to believe they'll actually turn down business, simply because it has to do with the war. Not a very smart business strategy. 

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    • The College of Winterhold is not a buisness. They are not there to make money.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      The College of Winterhold is not a buisness. They are not there to make money.

      So... they just give away enchanted items for free o.O? I bet the Communists love them. XD

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    • Well obviously they are paid for their time. They do have to eat.

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    • So my point still stands.

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    • So you think the fact that they don't give things out for free means they will help the Stormcloaks?

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    • Again, it would be pretty unintelligent to lose all of that money, simply because they're being used for the war. You also never gave me proof that they "won't get involved in the Civil War". 

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    • I'm trying to find it, but the articles don't have much dialogue on them.

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    • Who said it?

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    • I think it was Savos, but I could be wrong.

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    • This is what I've found so far, but it may or may not be credible

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