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  • How in the 7 hells is he the leader of Ebonheart, I think that this ruins lore a bit, Yee I know many jerks are gonna love nords coz of Skyrim, but you have 3x demigods in Dark elf faction who as I recall did the biggest job of ending 2nd era crysis.



    I think that Almalexa or Vivec should lead faction or at least to be full consuli, w/o leader as it was if I recall correctly.

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    • I honestly think there shouldn't be a leader of the pact, just a council.

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    • I think the Tribunal don't want to take part in any war as long as it have nothing to do with the  live of the Dunmers of Morrowind, and since War of the Alliance is all about taking over the Imperial city..... so, they won't take any part of it.

      and i also believe that Tribunal don't really care for domination, cuz if they do...... they could've ruled Nirn hundreds of years earlier.

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    • Hbxn wrote:
      I think the Tribunal don't want to take part in any war as long as it have nothing to do with the  live of the Dunmers of Morrowind, and since War of the Alliance is all about taking over the Imperial city..... so, they won't take any part of it.

      and i also believe that Tribunal don't really care for domination, cuz if they do...... they could've ruled Nirn hundreds of years earlier.

      This. The Tribunal didn't care much for control outside what they already had. If they did, they could've easily overthrown all of Tamriel when they were at the height of their power.

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    • Why would the nords and argonians agree to follow the lead of the Tribunal? Foreign political leadership is one thing, but could you really see nords (think Ulfric Stormcloak) following a foreign god?

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    • Well I would rather be following a foreign god over any mortal, but I agree with Hbxn, tribunal just did not care enough. Still would pick Vivec over Jorunn any time any day.

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    • The Nords probably were the only ones who were capable.  The Argonians hated the Dunmer but were mostly indifferent to the Nords.  The Tribunal as stated probably didn't want leadership or even long term membership of the pact, besides fighting off the Akaviri invaders.  And the Argonians lacked a leader that was in anyway "qualified" to lead.

      Simply put, the Nord's ability to shout and their own heroic history makes even their old enemies see them as both threats and the best darn leaders on the planet.  After all, the Nords in the past have had to face great hardship through their slavery to Snow Elves, while at this point the Dark Elves were the local bullies.  And the Argonians were still just mere "slaves".

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    • The reason why he's the leader is that he's the main reason why the Dunmer were saved from the Akaviri. The Nord's intervention at Stonefalls saved the Dunmer.

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    • That and he's a friggin' viking, dude probably would've introduced anyone who tried to take over to his axe.

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    • Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      That and he's a friggin' viking, dude probably would've introduced anyone who tried to take over to his axe.

      Please. Please don't say that.

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Hereticalthoughts wrote:
      That and he's a friggin' viking, dude probably would've introduced anyone who tried to take over to his axe.
      Please. Please don't say that.

      What? It's true. He's a warrior king of the Nords who are pretty much Scandinavians/Vikings.

      At any rate I agree that he was the best choice to lead the Pact, the Argonians and Dunmer would've just used the leadershipo role to screw each other over if they were in charge at the time.

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    • Vikings, along with ninjas are WAY over-romanticized. It's Hollywood's fault. 

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    • Goldflame33 wrote:
      Vikings, along with ninjas are WAY over-romanticized. It's Hollywood's fault. 

      Hollywood viking-ninjas?

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    • Totes scary

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    • Better than Nazis in Space. (If you want a laugh ... rent out "Iron Sky").

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    • Timeoin wrote:
      Better than Nazis in Space. (If you want a laugh ... rent out "Iron Sky").

      Nazis are also apparently at the center of the Earth as well

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Timeoin wrote:
      Better than Nazis in Space. (If you want a laugh ... rent out "Iron Sky").
      Nazis are also apparently at the center of the Earth as well

      I MUST GET THAT MOVIE!

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    • There are also NAZI at the center of the Earth in Tunnels)

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    • Timeoin wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Timeoin wrote:
      Better than Nazis in Space. (If you want a laugh ... rent out "Iron Sky").
      Nazis are also apparently at the center of the Earth as well
      I MUST GET THAT MOVIE!

      There are zombies in it also!

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    • Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Timeoin wrote:
      Dovahsebrom wrote:
      Timeoin wrote:
      Better than Nazis in Space. (If you want a laugh ... rent out "Iron Sky").
      Nazis are also apparently at the center of the Earth as well
      I MUST GET THAT MOVIE!
      There are zombies in it also!

      I ALREADY SAID I WAS GETTING THE MOVIE, YOU DON'T NEED TO IMPROVE IT :P

      (Side note: Disney just ruined half my childhood. RIP Star Wars canon :\)

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    • Very late, but why not?

      I think it is because of a few reasons. One of them, according to the "Guide to the Ebonheart Pact", is that much the soldiers and generals of the Pact is made up of Nords. Since they appear to be the largest contributor to overt military power, having the highest authority of the Pact be a Nord as well could help.

      Another reason would be that the Skald-King himself seem to be a good king willing to work with the other races.

      Lastly, I'd say that the Nords are the least controversial of the races to have a member be the official leader of their alliance. The Argonians would probably never accept a Dunmer ruler and vice versa. The Nords have little overt conflict with Black Marsh and their recent conflicts with Morrowind(border disputes and occasional raids by individuals) pales on comparison to systemic slavery that has been ongoing since pretty much forever. Besides, the Dunmer probably see the Nords in slightly higher regard than the Argonians, if only slightly.

      That said, there is also the Great Moot, so the Skald-King is hardly in a position of absolute power.

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    • I agree with the Tdroid, especially on that last point- the Ebonheart Pact is surprisingly democratic, and they appear to make decisions based on consensus. Jorunn is the faction leader, but don't forget that the capital is Mournhold, seat of Almalexia. For all intents and purposes, they sort of do have a council. There's certainly figure with as much centralized control as Ayrenn has in the Aldmeri Dominion, or Emeric in the Daggerfall Covenant.

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    • the nords were never really that special, but if you think about it could only be them given the fact that argonians would likely not follow a dunmer leader, and vice versa. There was great enmity between them at the time

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    • Jorunn is the leader of the Pact in name only. Yeveth Noramil of the Dunmer and Eyes-Of-Steel of the Argonians make the decisions with him, and he also holds council with other Dunmer, Argonians, and Nord Thanes. Jorunn also seems to hold the Tribunal in high regard.

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