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  • I think im just stupid but I cant find any clear answer. I know Black Marsh and Hammerfell if no longer part of the Empire.

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    • Morrowind is no longer part of the empire, High rock is but not for long.

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    • The current provinces and Island nations of the Third Empire of Tamriel are as follows:

      1. Cyrodiil (Province)

      2. Skyrim (Province)

      3. High Rock (Province)

      4. Esroniet (Island nation)

      5. Yneslea (Island nation)

      6. Cathnoquey (Island nation)

      7. Morrowind (Province)


      NOTE: Morrowind is generally seen as a topic of debate, but there's currently no confirmation of it leaving the Empire. However, if it is part of the Empire, it is only part of it in name, unless if Morrowind's garrisons got replaced after the previous ones died during the eruption of Mount Vvardenfell.

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    • If you take Riften for the Imperials then you can hear soldiers say Riften is a good launching point to retake Morrowind so it seems Morrowind is not part of the Empire.

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    • 86.164.250.148 wrote:
      If you take Riften for the Imperials then you can hear soldiers say Riften is a good launching point to retake Morrowind so it seems Morrowind is not part of the Empire.

      I didn't know that. I went and checked, the exact quote is:

      "Now that the Empire's arrived in Riften, we've finally established a launching point into Morrowind... Just in case."

      This would corroborate Titus Mede I's statement in the Infernal City novel that Morrowind left the Empire, following the Oblivion Crisis and the Legion withdrawing from Morrowind to defend Cyrodiil.

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    • Further to that, Adril Arano describes the Empire as having relinquished Morrowind in Dragonborn dialogue. House Hlaalu lost its status as a great house due to its affiliations with the Empire. Morrowind is most certainly not imperial territory, even in name.

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    • Draevan13 wrote:
      86.164.250.148 wrote:
      If you take Riften for the Imperials then you can hear soldiers say Riften is a good launching point to retake Morrowind so it seems Morrowind is not part of the Empire.
      I didn't know that. I went and checked, the exact quote is:

      "Now that the Empire's arrived in Riften, we've finally established a launching point into Morrowind... Just in case."

      This would corroborate Titus Mede I's statement in the Infernal City novel that Morrowind left the Empire, following the Oblivion Crisis and the Legion withdrawing from Morrowind to defend Cyrodiil.

      Having a launching point into Morrowind 'just in case' makes no sense if the Empire is preparing for another war with the Dominion. The 'just in case' would sooner imply that they suspect a rebellion in Morrowind too.


      The Legion wasn't withdrawn, as Ocato himself states. Not to forget, it can rejoin.

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    • Bronkiin wrote:
      Further to that, Adril Arano describes the Empire as having relinquished Morrowind in Dragonborn dialogue. House Hlaalu lost its status as a great house due to its affiliations with the Empire. Morrowind is most certainly not imperial territory, even in name.

      He says that the Empire 'released their grasp', that doesn't mean it's no longer part of it. House Hlaalu is also still a Great House, Adril Arano himself even says so. 

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    • "House Hlaalu had been at odds with House Redoran for years following their removal from the Council of Great Houses." History of Raven Rock Book 3.

      "A group of powerful and influential Dunmer families have been ruling Morrowind for millennia. They embody a council made up of five Great Houses: Telvanni, Dres, Indoril, Sadras, and Redoran." Lleril Morvayn. @Jauffre lol wut about Hlaalu?

      Lord of Souls mentions that the An-Xileel "prevented the Empire from reclaiming Morrowind." So not only was it lost, it wasn't regained. It was invaded, totally taken over, and the Empire driven out. Imperial sympathisers in Morrowind are persecuted. There is no way, nominal or actual, that there is any semblance of Imperial rule in Morrowind.

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    • Bronkiin wrote:

      Lord of Souls mentions that the An-Xileel "prevented the Empire from reclaiming Morrowind." 

      Do you happen to know the page that's on? I don't remember reading that and I just re-read it recently.

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    • OP, I don't mean to be a grammar nazi but *are.

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    • Bronkiin wrote:
      "House Hlaalu had been at odds with House Redoran for years following their removal from the Council of Great Houses." History of Raven Rock Book 3.

      "A group of powerful and influential Dunmer families have been ruling Morrowind for millennia. They embody a council made up of five Great Houses: Telvanni, Dres, Indoril, Sadras, and Redoran." Lleril Morvayn. @Jauffre lol wut about Hlaalu?

      Lord of Souls mentions that the An-Xileel "prevented the Empire from reclaiming Morrowind." So not only was it lost, it wasn't regained. It was invaded, totally taken over, and the Empire driven out. Imperial sympathisers in Morrowind are persecuted. There is no way, nominal or actual, that there is any semblance of Imperial rule in Morrowind.

      'House Hlaalu, a rival Great House.' -Adril Arano

      History of Raven Rock is pieced together by the account of the people living Raven Rock, who, surprise-surprise, support House Redoran. 


      Lord of Souls takes place 140 years prior to the Great War. Remember that the An-Xileel were largely driven out of Morrowind. As of the Great War, Morrowind was an Imperial Province.

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    • I can't find any evidence that Morrowind is a part of the Empire at the point of the great war? Not in "The Great War" anyway.

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    • It's this paragraph, which talks about the state of the Empire when Titus II takes power:

      "When Titus Mede II ascended the throne in 4E 168, he inherited a weakened empire. The glory days of the Septims were a distant memory. Valenwood and Elsweyr were gone, ceded to the Thalmor enemy. Black Marsh had been lost to Imperial rule since the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis. Morrowind had never recovered fully from the eruption of Mount Vvardenfell. Hammerfell was plagued by infighting between Crowns and Forebears. Only High Rock, Cyrodiil and Skyrim remained properous and peaceful. Emperor Titus Mede had only a few short years to consolidate his rule before his leadership was put to the ultimate test."

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    • Perhaps it is still nominally Imperial. I think we can all agree, as Jauffre mentioned above, the Empire holds no actual power there.

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    • Bronkiin wrote:
      Perhaps it is still nominally Imperial. I think we can all agree, as Jauffre mentioned above, the Empire holds no actual power there.

      If it is still part of the Empire, it's only because no one in the Elder Council or the Redoran Council felt like filing out the paperwork for secession :P

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    • Bronkiin wrote:
      Perhaps it is still nominally Imperial. I think we can all agree, as Jauffre mentioned above, the Empire holds no actual power there.

      Exactly, no real Imperial power in Morrowind, they are able to leave when they wish to do so.

      You could see it as with Surinam and the Kingdom of the Netherlands, it's similar (though not identical when it comes to the millitary).

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    • There are a lot of sources claiming that morrowind is not part of the empire but it seems nothing directley that they left.

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    • Yes, High Rock is still a province of the Empire and, as of the Fourth Era, is arguably considered to be the most supportive, peaceful, and prosperous member of the Empire aside from Cyrodiil. Morrowind, despite being destroyed by Red Mountain and being partially invaded by the Argonians, has not officially seceded nor has the Emporer renounced Morrowind. Thus, it is still considered a province of the Empire.

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    • Dapoculos13 wrote: Yes, High Rock is still a province of the Empire and, as of the Fourth Era, is arguably considered to be the most supportive, peaceful, and prosperous member of the Empire aside from Cyrodiil. Morrowind, despite being destroyed by Red Mountain and being partially invaded by the Argonians, has not officially seceded nor has the Emporer renounced Morrowind. Thus, it is still considered a province of the Empire.

      Cyrodiil is in strife though.

      And Wayrest is lost to corsairs.

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    • Blademaster Jauffre wrote:

      And Wayrest is lost to corsairs.

      Which is baffling... it's a huge bloody city, what kind of corsairs can take that? Those guys are blood OP, Bethesda please nerf XD

      But given the rivalry between Wayrest and Daggerfall, I wouldn't be surprised if Daggerfall's ruler either a) paid the corsairs to do it, or b) disguised their troops as corsairs and sacked the city. Or a bit of both.

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    • Blademaster Jauffre wrote:

      Dapoculos13 wrote: Yes, High Rock is still a province of the Empire and, as of the Fourth Era, is arguably considered to be the most supportive, peaceful, and prosperous member of the Empire aside from Cyrodiil. Morrowind, despite being destroyed by Red Mountain and being partially invaded by the Argonians, has not officially seceded nor has the Emporer renounced Morrowind. Thus, it is still considered a province of the Empire.

      Cyrodiil is in strife though.

      And Wayrest is lost to corsairs.

      I was talking about relevant levels of peace and properity when you consider all the recent events in the late Third Era and Fourth Era, or just the Mede Empire in general. Septim Empire levels of peace and prosperity certainly had higher standards for these two criteria.

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    • Dapoculos13 wrote:

      Blademaster Jauffre wrote:

      Dapoculos13 wrote: Yes, High Rock is still a province of the Empire and, as of the Fourth Era, is arguably considered to be the most supportive, peaceful, and prosperous member of the Empire aside from Cyrodiil. Morrowind, despite being destroyed by Red Mountain and being partially invaded by the Argonians, has not officially seceded nor has the Emporer renounced Morrowind. Thus, it is still considered a province of the Empire.

      Cyrodiil is in strife though.

      And Wayrest is lost to corsairs.

      I was talking about relevant levels of peace and properity when you consider all the recent events in the late Third Era and Fourth Era, or just the Mede Empire in general. Septim Empire levels of peace and prosperity certainly had higher standards for these two criteria.

      They are the same Empire though, just a different dynasty.

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    • That's what I meant, friend.

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