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  • As there are many posts regarding which Side is better to join for Skyrim's Civil War. I figured to do something different.

    Instead of limiting yourself to A or B. Stormcloaks or Imperials. We'll use a Lore perspective what the Dragonborn can do to truly benefit Skyrim, perhaps Empire and harm the Aldmeri Dominion's chances in the next War.

    Let the brain storm begins!

    (PS: This thread will not satisfy with defeating the Stormcloaks or driving the Empire out of Skyrim alone.)

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    • I will start with what needs to be done. This is an extremely difficult path to follow.

      This path has an extremely strict requirement of things that needs to happen in the first place. Number 1, the Dragonborn must be a strategic genius at a level where he can use less than what Ulfric has at his disposal and destroy the entire Empire. Another condition is Hermaeus Mora must not have trapped him in Apocrypha or have this Dragonborn at his control.

      Based on the 3E 421 Levitation Act by the Empire, use of Levitation spell was banned but nothing was said about Teleportation spells such as Mark and Recall. Meaning such teleportation spells must be available in the College or accessible by Dragonbon in Skyrim.

      Dragonborn must have at least 5 to 7 years spend in Skyrim therefore, you must give the Thalmor what they want to make Thalmor stay hands off without truly benefiting them. This means you must permit the Civil War to go on but perform damage control at the same time. The most preferable scenario is to create a confusion resulting in an uneasy cold war between the Stormcloaks, Imperials and the Thalmor.

      One way he can achieve this is to do a very daring thing with the Guilds. Something that has not been done in the past before, by becoming the unified Leader of all the Guilds and Thane of every Hold. This gives the Dragonborn influence in every part of Skyrim.

      Since the Lore says nothing about banning Mark and Recall Teleportation spells, the Dragonborn after becoming the Archmage of the College can get his mages to help him setup a Mark and Recall Network system across Skyrim. The Dragonborn can even use Heljarchen Hall as a base, eventually refurbish it into a Skyrim Guild Council Headquarters is not impossible.

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    • First of all let's exclude the Dragonborn because Heroes depart after their prophecies are fulfilled. By the time a Second Great War can rear its head, the Dragonborn will be long gone. This has been the case with every Hero, and for good out-of-setting reasons:  Writers cannot account for every player's characterisation of a particular Hero. Some players' Dragonborn may be Thalmor sympathisers or Altmeri Supremacists.

      The Empire is the only thing that can defeat the Dominion. Hell, there's already a cold war going on right now between them as stated by Tullius, Rikke and Ondolemar. The White-Gold Concordat itself is just a mask of "peace" the Empire and the Dominion wear, they both know they'll be going at it again real soon.

      Now let's take a look of what you said one by one:

      This path has an extremely strict requirement of things that needs to happen in the first place. Number 1, the Dragonborn must be a strategic genius at a level where he can use less than what Ulfric has at his disposal and destroy the entire Empire. Another condition is Hermaeus Mora must not have trapped him in Apocrypha or have this Dragonborn at his control.

      It's difficult to immagine the Dragonborn being a strategic genius. About Hermaeus Mora, no daedric prince can claim your soul unless you are trading for it.

      Dragonborn must have at least 5 to 7 years spend in Skyrim therefore, you must give the Thalmor what they want to make Thalmor stay hands off without truly benefiting them. This means you must permit the Civil War to go on but perform damage control at the same time. The most preferable scenario is to create a confusion resulting in an uneasy cold war between the Stormcloaks, Imperials and the Thalmor.

      There's already a cold war going on right now between the Empire and the Dominion. Also the Dragonborn doing damage control would make him enemy of these 3 factions.

      One way he can achieve this is to do a very daring thing with the Guilds. Something that has not been done in the past before, by becoming the unified Leader of all the Guilds and Thane of every Hold. This gives the Dragonborn influence in every part of Skyrim.

      In a realistic scenario it's impossible to be the leader of all guilds. And how can the Dragonborn be the thane of every hold?

      Since the Lore says nothing about banning Mark and Recall Teleportation spells, the Dragonborn after becoming the Archmage of the College can get his mages to help him setup a Mark and Recall Network system across Skyrim. The Dragonborn can even use Heljarchen Hall as a base, eventually refurbish it into a Skyrim Guild Council Headquarters is not impossible.

      The mages of the college wouldn't agree with that because they are neutral and the college exists to one purpose: to study magic.

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    • The statement that heroes depart after the only applies to the province and

      Actually as part of the main quest the Dragonborn was already confirmed to be the Thane of Whiterun and the option to go to Falkreath to listen to its Jarl was opened then there was the Hearthfire DLC. In a realistic scenario you can have a hand in every single guild, possess so much power that people have to work with you whether they like you or not or risk tearing your guild apart.

      Making enemies with all 3 factions is what you'll end up doing at one point. It is one of the top priorities in the Must do List. But you fail immediately if you caused all three factions to attack you at once. Because the whole idea is to make each factions wary of the other and not dare to make a move. Create a stalemate scenario not between AD and Empire but between Stormcloaks and Imperials. Disrupting the momentum created by the Thalmor.

      You are too quick to assume just because the Mages of College of Winterhold are neutral and they are interested in furthering their study of magic, they wouldn't help their New Archmage setup a very convenient and efficient Mark and Recall Network system that has far more pros and barely any cons. Immediate beneficial effect of a large scale teleportation network like this is that a network like this is a project that is worth maintaining to study and to cut down travel time meaning they can also go get materials for studies or experimentations that can only be found in specific parts of Skyrim that'll realistically take weeks or even months to get to instantly.

      The Mages have every reason to be enthusiastic about creating a highly effective system of traveling for granting convenience and research purposes.

      I do agree it is difficult to picture the Dragonborn to be genius strategist. As for Hermaeus Mora, personally I think he just wants to use the Dragonborn to gather more knowledge since Mora can't discover new knowledge or show any history of discovering new knowledge on his own.

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    • Personally? I would take the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric, bring just Tulius and Ulfric to talk, inform them of the dossier and the Thalmor's plan, which would most likely unify the Imperial and Stormcloak armies. The combined forces would be more than enough to raid and eliminate the Thalmor forces in the Embassy and elsewhere in Skyrim. The information will then be delivered to the emperor (or the lord regent, depentant on whether or not the Dragonborn killed the emperor). The Dragonborn will then lead a combined Imperial-Stormcloak assault on the Summerset Isles, and either destroy the Aldmeri Dominion or force them into a treaty. 

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    • 108.180.76.126 wrote:
      Personally? I would take the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric, bring just Tulius and Ulfric to talk, inform them of the dossier and the Thalmor's plan, which would most likely unify the Imperial and Stormcloak armies. The combined forces would be more than enough to raid and eliminate the Thalmor forces in the Embassy and elsewhere in Skyrim. The information will then be delivered to the emperor (or the lord regent, depentant on whether or not the Dragonborn killed the emperor). The Dragonborn will then lead a combined Imperial-Stormcloak assault on the Summerset Isles, and either destroy the Aldmeri Dominion or force them into a treaty. 

      That wouldn't work. The Thalmor could easily say the dossier was forged to make them look bad. In their defence the Thalmor would say "anyone can write anything in a piece of paper and say it's a dossier written by us".

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    • 108.180.76.126 wrote:
      Personally? I would take the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric, bring just Tulius and Ulfric to talk, inform them of the dossier and the Thalmor's plan, which would most likely unify the Imperial and Stormcloak armies. The combined forces would be more than enough to raid and eliminate the Thalmor forces in the Embassy and elsewhere in Skyrim. The information will then be delivered to the emperor (or the lord regent, depentant on whether or not the Dragonborn killed the emperor). The Dragonborn will then lead a combined Imperial-Stormcloak assault on the Summerset Isles, and either destroy the Aldmeri Dominion or force them into a treaty. 

      It will just become another propaganda tool by the Empire to kill Ulfric. The salty In-game Stormcloak supporters will become divided, those who remain by Ulfric side and those who turn away from him.

      Overall I see that benefiting the Empire more.

      To truly harm the Thalmor's position? Let's see, Dragonborn smuggles in barrels of Gunpowder from Hammerfell and detonate enough of it at the Thalmor embassy to blow the whole thing up while Elenwen and a large number of Thalmor are inside.

      Before the other Thalmor realized what was going on, proceed to various Thalmor controlled Camps/Forts/Prisons and slaughter as many Thalmor as you can. By severely crippling their available manpower within Skyrim, the Thalmor's knowledge of what was going on in Skyrim will be hampered and as information is their greatest weapon against the Empire in Skyrim, it will harm their position.

      As for everything else mentioned by people here, Mark and Recall spells as I remembered was replaced by the Fast Travel system, meaning when writing a story sequel they can add it back when dealing with Mages but I see the Thalmor top lieutenants more likely to use the spells than anyone else. After all, majority of the Stormcloaks and Imperials in Skyrim are country bumpkins who'll probably set themselves on fire and die if they try to use the spells.

      (Tullius & Ulfric tries to use Mark and Recall, spell complicated beyond their peanut sized brains, spell exploded both catches fire)

      Tullius&Ulfric "Aaaah Help! Help! I'm on fire!! Aaaah Help!!!" 

      (Both dies, Civil War ends with stalemate)

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    • i have an idea for a mission "Satan's Scar"

      you have to sneak into the homes of high ranking thalmor, use their fireplaces to heat your blade, then inscribe the symbol of talos onto their hands, wait until next morning, and watch the thalmor fall apart. 

      MuahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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