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 Introduction (Skip ahead to The Actual Blog if you want to dive right in)

One thing I would like to make abundantly clear is that my last blog on CHIM "Why I don't think it exists" was written in November of 2013, and the gap between that one and this one has allowed me some extra time to ponder why it is a dislike it so much. Well, I haven't much thought about it lately, until a recent spat with a user on my last blog came to fruition. The purpose of this blog is to act as a final refutation to him and all CHIM supporters out there. Before I could write a response to his argument, he saw that in the comments of the blog, I had not yet realized what the Enantiomorph was and no longer took me seriously as a loremaster. Once again, I would like to point out that this was back in 2013. I know what the Enantiomorph is (Basically apotheosis achieved by two sides facing one another in Mortal Kombat while being witnessed and chosen as the Enantiomorph by another; i.e. Nerevarine vs. Dagoth Ur, witnessed by Vivec). He also had some things to say about this wikia.

Apparently, we have a horrible reputation for laughing at people who believe or quote CHIM (if that is what he meant by it). I have to reject that statement. Back before "Why I think CHIM isn't real" came out, I couldn't take two steps in the other direction without Kirkbride Enthusiasts berating me for my reasons of disbelief, earning me the title "Most Hated Loremaster." I was happy to see I had some support in the comments (In fact, perhaps things really have changed to the point that a lot of us no longer truly believed in CHIM as many did), but make no mistake; I went through much persecution because I "didn't get it." 

But I have to say, the debate between me and the user was a delicious treat. When he first commented, I thought he was just some random Kirkbride drifter, but after reading his eloquent response, it was very clear he was passionate about this brand of Elder Scrolls lore, which I appreciate. I hope he didn't think his opinions offended me. Rather, I had not had a good lore argument in a long time, none of us have as far as I know. Granted, I wish it had been on another subject because this has long been a dead horse, but I couldn't refuse to respond even. I am honored to have a disccusion with such a powerful writer, which makes it all the more sad I have to admit his flowery language doesn't disuade me from putting Kirkbride's nerd nose in the dirt. 

The Actual Blog

Since the last time I talked about this in a blog, my opinion on CHIM as a storytelling set-piece has changed. Originally, I thought it was just pretty words strung together to give off a sense of mysticism when it just came off as unnecessarily complicated for a goddamn video game, but I think it's safe to say Skyrim took a turn for the casual rather than those who wanted heavy lore. Not to say Skyrim's was bad (not at all!) but it does not match the depths in which Morrowind delves. But after thoroughl examination, I found it was at least compelling, invoking fantastic notions of escape and wonder, especially after the way this user I was arguing with explained it. But I am sure all of you understand what the word "Apocryphal" means (of doubtful authenticity). Heck, the Godhead is mentioned in a book found in APOCRYPHA. One of the main points in my original blog was that I really did not like CHIM and it came off as part of my reasoning for why I didn't think it existed. Maybe it kind of was part of the old argument. But just for a moment, forget that argument. I am revising.

Almost two years later, I have a new one. Reading through all that the user put down, he seemed to misunderstand exactly what I was going for, as do most Kirkbride enthusiasts. It looked as if he was arguing with me because he thought I thought CHIM had no place within Elder Scrolls lore, true or not. It was like I couldn't accept that very idea could not exist in correlation to the other myths and legends., which isn't true. Now, this was probably to be expected since he was just now jumping on the bandwagon and not taking into account that ways of thinking can change over a long period of time. Like I said above, I think CHIM is fascinating, and I feel the same with all of Kirkbride's work. Those who have read a lot of my blogs would see that I have said that at least a million times. But what I really care about is if it is in fact a real occurence within the games themselves, not their fan-fiction. 

(A theory of mine is that Kirkbride was probably trying to take the Elder Scrolls in this direction and left when the others didn't like it and he is still trying to make it his own by writing the stories for the Imperial Library. Or maybe he left just because.)

This user had trouble understanding my disregard for such a powerful explanation for Lorkhan's creating Mundus (it was to escape the universe he knows is a video game ((God-F*cking-Dammit I hate that)) and save his friends ((the Npcs)) while he's at it is the basic rundown), but if anyone really wants to know, it's because evidence for Lorkhan's escape, the Elder Scrolls being a dream of Anu or God or some Schizophrenic dude, or it being a story of love and sacrifice is minimal at best. I really don't care how emotionally invoking the story is. I need some fact! Just because it was mentioned a couple of times doesn't make it the absolute truth, just because you read about it in a few in-game books does NOT MAKE IT TRUE. 

And I think rejecting that on the grounds that the solution of this metaphysical problem isn't line with one's own--their "perfect" solution since Kirkbride enthusiasts are often so fond--subjects one to the Nirvana Fallacy, maybe even a little Hasty Generalization from the broad conclusions they draw from the small examples hidden within the game, and I have heard some doozies. It is a problem I have with most Kirkists. 

Instead of bucking up and trying to provide evidence we can use, they insist on using an Appeal to Emotion, specifically Wishful Thinking, trying to take a possibly bleak outcome and romanticize it as some ultimate story of love. One may try to distract others from the debate by accusing me of Argumentum ex Silentio, saying I draw conclusions from the lack of evidence rather than vice versa, but I was everyone to understand that I claim no more than this: CHIM has not been proven. (When I say evidence we can use, I mean physical actions within the game or specific dialogue by key NPC's. The obvious retort would be to say that only, like, two people have actually acheived CHIM and are not available for questioning as the user I was debating had said, but to me, that just seems though reasonable, awfully convenient. Books are very hear-say, and can be interpreted different ways or just be false. It's why I am so wary of them.)

In case you couldn't tell, I am a disciple of proper rhetoric when it comes to making arguments and it irritates me when people say I'm just stubborn and never once consider my reasoning because they make their draw their conclusions from what they think ought to be, rather than what actually is. I am not close minded for not believing in CHIM. What do I believe?

Well, I have a preference towards the simpler interpretation of the Elder Scrolls lore: Lorkhan was different for reasons unknown, Talos's ascension is under scrutiny, and I am one for the blood theory: The Aedra were formed from the drops of Anu's blood shed from battle with Padomay, and the Daedra were formed from Padomay's, rather than the only difference between the two races being those who participated in Nirn's creation as the Mer believe. A preference, mind you, not a belief. I will not seek to prove it to you nor will I ignore on-hand evidence. Should Bethesda grace us with a CHIM-oriented main questline in the next game, I will gladly join the rest of the Kirkbride dwellers, though I admit I wouldn't be happy about it.

I think not knowing the answer to the grand mystery is far more interesting meat for story because it allows us to have discussions like this. Do I like CHIM as a concept? Sure. Do I want it as the definitive interpretation of the Elder Scrolls lore? No. And don't get me started on C0DA.

  • note--I feel no ill will to the user I refer to throughout the blog, but respect because he got the old cogs turning again and served as a catalyst to finally get me back to what I am good at. I would also like to make note that this is soley my opinion and does not represent the feelings of anyone else, whatever they may be. If anyone feels the need to comment, keep it civil and respectful of other's opinions.