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Quit deleting articles..It is okay to copy articles from other wikis unsigned comment from Darth Storm

No it isn't. Please see the message I just left on your talk page. rpeh 14:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

ok wont happen again but i think i recall that wikipedia states that all wikis can use any material from another wiki. unsigned comment from Darth Storm

With attribution. As our copyright page states:

"You may fufill the last two obligations by directly linking back to the article hosted on the site as well as the history page of the article. For example, if you were to use the article "Felsaad Coast" from our site, an example notice might read as follows:

This article is licensed under the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/">Creative Commons by-sa license</a>. It uses material from the UESP article <a href="http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:Felsaad_Coast">"Bloodmoon:Felsaad Coast"</a>."

rpeh 14:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

srry wont happen again unsigned comment from Darth Storm

Can we upload images form you site as long as we give you full credit like i did on the images on Hannibal traven and carahil. unsigned comment from Darth Storm

The administrator of this site has just asked you not to, so I would suggest that you don't. rpeh 14:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 Images 2 Under new management 3 UESP 4 Copyright violations in progress 5 Apology

[edit] Images

Actually I am not an administrator, just a member of the FA System, so I cannot delete the images. Darth Storm 13:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I only did that to tidy up the pages until Kaj or another admin can delete them. Darth Storm 13:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Under new management

I won't be taking active part in this wiki for a while. User:Xell Khaar will run the wiki in my absence. He appears familiar with UESP, but I don't think he's an active contributor there. If there's copyright issues on this wiki, tell Xell about it, and hopefully the issue will be resolved. I created Template:UESP and Template:UESPImage for this wiki as well. If Xell does what Darth Storm once did and ignores you, feel free to tell me, and I'll step in. I'll gladly deleted any image or page copied from UESP without proper attribution. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 17:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. You should also watch out for people copying material from Wikipedia too. this article is copied word-for-word from this one and doesn't credit WP anywhere. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 17:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. Xell said that he wanted to rewrite all the articles, so I left a blank slate for him to work with. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 17:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] UESP

This is a joke, right? Your watching us? Do you realize how pathetic you sound? It's a website for crying out loud, not The Godfather. You aren't the only one. You're not special. You aren't even the biggest site we watch. Well, I must say, I'm terrified, really. I don't know how I'll be able to sleep tonight knowing that you'll be at your computer all night, fishing through our recent changes page, looking for dirt. Also, you say You do your site and leave us to do ours. That's bit contradictory seeing as how you admit to watching other sites. I know the old members of this site have stolen content from your site before, but that's no reason to suspect everyone of doing so. As far as I'm aware nobody from the new community has taken anything that does not belong to us. And as for those case images, there not yours, so you have absoloutley no right to claim they were stolen from you. Besides, seeing as UESP has engaged in acual vandalism of other Elder Scrolls sites. You are hardly in any position to take the moral high ground. Arandil 07:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

If you don't steal our content (or Wikipedia's) then there's no problem. I've already said I don't care about those box images because they're PD, but if you didn't get them from UESP you could always provide a link to the place they did come from.

I keep a watch on this site because, despite previous promises, people still take our content. There's nothing sinister or godfather-like about it - I'm simply protecting UESP's property.

Lastly, UESP has never engaged in acts of vandalism. One person who edited UESP made a few idiotic edits, but the reason it even became clear that it was a UESP editor was that a UESP admin did the research, found the link, apologized for the actions and made it clear to other editors that this was unacceptable. We do not condone vandalism in any shape or form. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 08:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Like I said nobdy from the new community (as far as i'm aware) have stolen your content. If I'm wrong, sorry, please provide me with an example and I'll fix it. I'm sorry but if you don't care about those images why the hell did you bring it up? It's just caused even more bad blood. As for the vandalism, I've checked the history of the main page, and wether you openly condemned it or not, that person was acting for UESP. You say there is nothing sinister about it, yet you stalk members of our site and start an argument about something you say you don't even care about! Hardly healthy is it. I think it's time UESP accepted that the duration of your site and the size of it does not entitle you to anything. Arandil 08:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The reason I mentioned those images is that they are byte-for-byte identical to the ones on UESP. You're claiming that nobody in the so-called "new community" has copied images, but if they didn't come from UESP, where did they come from? The reason for bringing it up is to get an answer to that question and to make the point that we won't tolerate property theft.

The person concerned was not acting for UESP - don't be stupid. It was an individual acting on their own and who has since left the site. I'm not stalking anybody - I'm protecting our property. I'm also not claiming entitlement to anything.

If you want a healthy relationship, stop putting words in my mouth and don't copy our property. Then we'll get on just fine. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Firstly I never said anything about a relationship. I was simply pointing out that your harrasment behaviour is unhealthy, which it is. Secondly, I don't doubt the images probably are from UESP. The fact remains that they are not UESP property, UESP must have got them from another site in the first place, so wether or not we did take them is a moot. Thirdly the editor who vandalised the main page claimed to be acting for UESP, so as far as I'm concerned he was. Also what's with the so-called? It's comments like that that turn people against UESP, because they clearly convey the imperssion that you think your better than other sites. Oh, and thanks for calling me stupid, that's a personal attack, and grounds for blocking. Your site may be the biggest, but your content is poor quality, maybe if you concentrated on that and let us improve our site we would'nt be in this position. Arandil 18:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Arandil, some of the language that you use are borderline personal attacks. I suggest that you cease using that sort of language. Rpeh is a guest here, and as his hosts, we ought to not threaten and insult our guests. I know Rpeh from UESP. I've edited at UESP long before I found this wiki, and I know that Rpeh has always acted honestly and honorably. Also, Xell Khaar has used personal attacks against me, and he never disciplined himself for his own attacks. If he blocks Rpeh for personal attacks, then Xen has only proven that he's a hypocrite. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 18:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Since watching your site clearly doesn't damage my personal health, you must have been talking about the relationship between the two sites, such as there is. I said "so-called" because at least two people, KAJ and GR Groe that are still active have been around for longer than you and Xell, making half of your new community. Shuffling pieces around the board doesn't change the game.

I do think UESP is better than this site, and I'm afraid the evidence bears it out. You have 1,124 content pages: we have 15,714 (a figure that doesn't include stubs). Our articles are well-written and accurate and yours aren't. Furthermore, most people think the same which is why Alexa always has us as one of the most popular sites on the Internet. Lastly, I didn't call you stupid, I told you not to be. If you really think that claiming to be acting on behalf of an organisation means that you are, well... I sign this page in the name of the Government of Uzbekistan. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 19:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright violations in progress

Right, this is how this is going to work. I've set up a policy page entitled The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Copyright violations in progress. From now on any and all reports of copyright violation will be done on this page and will be done in the format laid out. You will never again badger and harass people on their talk pages with personal attacks and obvious attempts to intimidate, such as We're watching you. If you do...you will be banned, instantly and indefintely. This policy will take effect immediately and is non negotiable. Do I make myself clear? –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 10:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The only person doing any "badgering" is Arandil, who chose to start this debate on my talk page. As I have said, I need to keep an eye on this site because UESP content has been copied without attribution: the most recent examples being this and this. You have also copied content from the Pocket Guide to the Empire (this, for instance). TIL and UESP have permission to host this material. Do you?

I will use your new page to report violations if that's what you want but please keep your threats to yourself. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 10:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

No, you started this by leaving trolling comments on Xell's talk-page. I'm not threating you, just telling you how things are going to be from now on. If you put a toe out of line, you will be banned. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 10:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Nothing I have said is trolling. I'm not threating you, just telling you how things are going to be from now on. I have been, and will be, watching this site. That's a statement of fact. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 10:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

No you won't be. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 11:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. It is. And any further attempts to stop somebody monitoring your site for law-breaking activity will result in a report to Wikia. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Goodbye. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 13:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

I would like to apologize for the actions of my colleagues. Unfortunately, I don't think that I could ever call KAJ "my colleague" any more, and I'm not sure if the so-called "new community" would ever apologize for their misdeeds. Their community has cast users like you and me aside. If anything, they're the ones who should apologize to us.

However, I do feel that it's my responsibility to heal the relations between UESP and this wiki. Although I can't speak for the whole of the site, I do apologize. I'm sorry about how the administration of this site mistreated you and insulted UESP. That is why I requested aid from Wikia staff, and now changes for the better have been make. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 17:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, but no apology is necessary from you.

I also reported this to Wikia (using Special:Contact), and I'm guessing Galaactica did too. In case you're interested, in my report I cited the good relationship that UESP and this wiki had enjoyed when you were in charge, and pointed out that whenever there was a problem, you were always happy to sort it out. I was frankly shocked by the attitude of other senior editors on this site and it's good to see that wiser counsel has prevailed - at least for now.

As I have said elsewhere, I'm quite glad that this and other ES-related wikis exist so we at UESP don't start getting complacent. For instance, I'm jealous of the new Arena material Xell Khaar has added; it's good. It makes me want to start playing the game properly so I'm in a position to better it. That's the way it should be.

I hope things will now start to return to normal around here. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 18:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that is why it's good to have alternative wikis to look at and edit. If Xell understood one thing, it is not this wiki shouldn't be like UESP. The users who posted comments on Talk:Main Page don't really understand the purpose of The Elder Scrolls Wiki. This wiki isn't here to compete with UESP or any other wiki; it's here to provide an alternative account on The Elder Scrolls. Xell believed that this wiki should be on lore, and the focus on lore is what separates us from other wikis. Thanks for the help. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 18:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)