Quit deleting articles..It is okay to copy articles from other wikis unsigned comment from Darth Storm

No it isn't. Please see the message I just left on your talk page. rpeh 14:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

ok wont happen again but i think i recall that wikipedia states that all wikis can use any material from another wiki. unsigned comment from Darth Storm

With attribution. As our copyright page states:

"You may fufill the last two obligations by directly linking back to the article hosted on the site as well as the history page of the article. For example, if you were to use the article "Felsaad Coast" from our site, an example notice might read as follows:

This article is licensed under the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/">Creative Commons by-sa license</a>. It uses material from the UESP article <a href="http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:Felsaad_Coast">"Bloodmoon:Felsaad Coast"</a>."

rpeh 14:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

srry wont happen again unsigned comment from Darth Storm

Can we upload images form you site as long as we give you full credit like i did on the images on Hannibal traven and carahil. unsigned comment from Darth Storm

The administrator of this site has just asked you not to, so I would suggest that you don't. rpeh 14:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 Images 2 Under new management 3 UESP 4 Copyright violations in progress 5 Apology 6 I know that I am only fairly new here, but ... 7 I meant Ausir 8 Images 9 Reply 10 Reply 11 Reply: Again! 12 Kidtragic 13 It's Quite Simple 14 UESP Content 15 Your "uploads" 16 UESP 17 Talk Pages Cleanup

Images Edit

Actually I am not an administrator, just a member of the FA System, so I cannot delete the images. Darth Storm 13:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I only did that to tidy up the pages until Kaj or another admin can delete them. Darth Storm 13:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Under new management Edit

I won't be taking active part in this wiki for a while. User:Xell Khaar will run the wiki in my absence. He appears familiar with UESP, but I don't think he's an active contributor there. If there's copyright issues on this wiki, tell Xell about it, and hopefully the issue will be resolved. I created Template:UESP and Template:UESPImage for this wiki as well. If Xell does what Darth Storm once did and ignores you, feel free to tell me, and I'll step in. I'll gladly deleted any image or page copied from UESP without proper attribution. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 17:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. You should also watch out for people copying material from Wikipedia too. this article is copied word-for-word from this one and doesn't credit WP anywhere. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 17:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. Xell said that he wanted to rewrite all the articles, so I left a blank slate for him to work with. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 17:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

UESP Edit

This is a joke, right? Your watching us? Do you realize how pathetic you sound? It's a website for crying out loud, not The Godfather. You aren't the only one. You're not special. You aren't even the biggest site we watch. Well, I must say, I'm terrified, really. I don't know how I'll be able to sleep tonight knowing that you'll be at your computer all night, fishing through our recent changes page, looking for dirt. Also, you say You do your site and leave us to do ours. That's bit contradictory seeing as how you admit to watching other sites. I know the old members of this site have stolen content from your site before, but that's no reason to suspect everyone of doing so. As far as I'm aware nobody from the new community has taken anything that does not belong to us. And as for those case images, there not yours, so you have absoloutley no right to claim they were stolen from you. Besides, seeing as UESP has engaged in acual vandalism of other Elder Scrolls sites. You are hardly in any position to take the moral high ground. Arandil 07:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

If you don't steal our content (or Wikipedia's) then there's no problem. I've already said I don't care about those box images because they're PD, but if you didn't get them from UESP you could always provide a link to the place they did come from.

I keep a watch on this site because, despite previous promises, people still take our content. There's nothing sinister or godfather-like about it - I'm simply protecting UESP's property.

Lastly, UESP has never engaged in acts of vandalism. One person who edited UESP made a few idiotic edits, but the reason it even became clear that it was a UESP editor was that a UESP admin did the research, found the link, apologized for the actions and made it clear to other editors that this was unacceptable. We do not condone vandalism in any shape or form. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 08:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Like I said nobdy from the new community (as far as i'm aware) have stolen your content. If I'm wrong, sorry, please provide me with an example and I'll fix it. I'm sorry but if you don't care about those images why the hell did you bring it up? It's just caused even more bad blood. As for the vandalism, I've checked the history of the main page, and wether you openly condemned it or not, that person was acting for UESP. You say there is nothing sinister about it, yet you stalk members of our site and start an argument about something you say you don't even care about! Hardly healthy is it. I think it's time UESP accepted that the duration of your site and the size of it does not entitle you to anything. Arandil 08:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The reason I mentioned those images is that they are byte-for-byte identical to the ones on UESP. You're claiming that nobody in the so-called "new community" has copied images, but if they didn't come from UESP, where did they come from? The reason for bringing it up is to get an answer to that question and to make the point that we won't tolerate property theft.

The person concerned was not acting for UESP - don't be stupid. It was an individual acting on their own and who has since left the site. I'm not stalking anybody - I'm protecting our property. I'm also not claiming entitlement to anything.

If you want a healthy relationship, stop putting words in my mouth and don't copy our property. Then we'll get on just fine. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Firstly I never said anything about a relationship. I was simply pointing out that your harrasment behaviour is unhealthy, which it is. Secondly, I don't doubt the images probably are from UESP. The fact remains that they are not UESP property, UESP must have got them from another site in the first place, so wether or not we did take them is a moot. Thirdly the editor who vandalised the main page claimed to be acting for UESP, so as far as I'm concerned he was. Also what's with the so-called? It's comments like that that turn people against UESP, because they clearly convey the imperssion that you think your better than other sites. Oh, and thanks for calling me stupid, that's a personal attack, and grounds for blocking. Your site may be the biggest, but your content is poor quality, maybe if you concentrated on that and let us improve our site we would'nt be in this position. Arandil 18:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Arandil, some of the language that you use are borderline personal attacks. I suggest that you cease using that sort of language. Rpeh is a guest here, and as his hosts, we ought to not threaten and insult our guests. I know Rpeh from UESP. I've edited at UESP long before I found this wiki, and I know that Rpeh has always acted honestly and honorably. Also, Xell Khaar has used personal attacks against me, and he never disciplined himself for his own attacks. If he blocks Rpeh for personal attacks, then Xen has only proven that he's a hypocrite. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 18:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Since watching your site clearly doesn't damage my personal health, you must have been talking about the relationship between the two sites, such as there is. I said "so-called" because at least two people, KAJ and GR Groe that are still active have been around for longer than you and Xell, making half of your new community. Shuffling pieces around the board doesn't change the game.

I do think UESP is better than this site, and I'm afraid the evidence bears it out. You have 1,124 content pages: we have 15,714 (a figure that doesn't include stubs). Our articles are well-written and accurate and yours aren't. Furthermore, most people think the same which is why Alexa always has us as one of the most popular sites on the Internet. Lastly, I didn't call you stupid, I told you not to be. If you really think that claiming to be acting on behalf of an organisation means that you are, well... I sign this page in the name of the Government of Uzbekistan. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 19:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion you are actually bordering personal attacks with your comments rpeh, however justified (and humorous I might add =D). I can see how UESP.net would like having their own property to them selves, articles being copied from their sites does not help Wikia editors' creativity and self-sufficiency.

Copying articles from UESP.net is as serious as the New York Times copying articles from their competitors. Doing this is actually harmful to the source as their content is being leaked and distributed so that their competitors are strengthened. This site should run on its own users and editors, even if they are a smaller group.

In my opinion, again, I would like to see UESP's images be excluded from this as they are from a product of Bethesda Softworks and not their own. Users on both sites would benefit from sharing the images on the sites and could possibly calm down some of the angry users here on Wikia. WondahFish ^(talk) 11:51, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

This topic took place over two years ago and is now well out of date. This matter has been discussed between myself and several admins here and we came to an amicable agreement that content copied from either site to the other will be removed asap. –rpeh •T•C•E• 14:04, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. That is what we are doing. Due to the hard work of its editors regarding Skyrim content all year, the number of editors and viewers on our page has grown exponentially, to the point where the wiki is #2 overall for all the gaming wikis on here. Theres a lot of stuff on our wiki that UESP doesnt have added yet, so thats why folks are going to our wiki. Still, as you said, that debate is an old one. Images uploaded illegally are removed very quickly due to copyright breaches. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 14:09, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well... no. UESP has articles for every important entity, and that's certainly not the case here. –rpeh •T•C•E• 14:27, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Copyright violations in progress Edit

Right, this is how this is going to work. I've set up a policy page entitled The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Copyright violations in progress. From now on any and all reports of copyright violation will be done on this page and will be done in the format laid out. You will never again badger and harass people on their talk pages with personal attacks and obvious attempts to intimidate, such as We're watching you. If you do...you will be banned, instantly and indefintely. This policy will take effect immediately and is non negotiable. Do I make myself clear? –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 10:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The only person doing any "badgering" is Arandil, who chose to start this debate on my talk page. As I have said, I need to keep an eye on this site because UESP content has been copied without attribution: the most recent examples being this and this. You have also copied content from the Pocket Guide to the Empire (this, for instance). TIL and UESP have permission to host this material. Do you?

I will use your new page to report violations if that's what you want but please keep your threats to yourself. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 10:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

No, you started this by leaving trolling comments on Xell's talk-page. I'm not threating you, just telling you how things are going to be from now on. If you put a toe out of line, you will be banned. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 10:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Nothing I have said is trolling. I'm not threating you, just telling you how things are going to be from now on. I have been, and will be, watching this site. That's a statement of fact. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 10:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

No you won't be. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 11:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. It is. And any further attempts to stop somebody monitoring your site for law-breaking activity will result in a report to Wikia. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Goodbye. –K.A.J^{•T•C•E•} 13:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Apology Edit

I would like to apologize for the actions of my colleagues. Unfortunately, I don't think that I could ever call KAJ "my colleague" any more, and I'm not sure if the so-called "new community" would ever apologize for their misdeeds. Their community has cast users like you and me aside. If anything, they're the ones who should apologize to us.

However, I do feel that it's my responsibility to heal the relations between UESP and this wiki. Although I can't speak for the whole of the site, I do apologize. I'm sorry about how the administration of this site mistreated you and insulted UESP. That is why I requested aid from Wikia staff, and now changes for the better have been make. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 17:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, but no apology is necessary from you.

I also reported this to Wikia (using Special:Contact), and I'm guessing Galaactica did too. In case you're interested, in my report I cited the good relationship that UESP and this wiki had enjoyed when you were in charge, and pointed out that whenever there was a problem, you were always happy to sort it out. I was frankly shocked by the attitude of other senior editors on this site and it's good to see that wiser counsel has prevailed - at least for now.

As I have said elsewhere, I'm quite glad that this and other ES-related wikis exist so we at UESP don't start getting complacent. For instance, I'm jealous of the new Arena material Xell Khaar has added; it's good. It makes me want to start playing the game properly so I'm in a position to better it. That's the way it should be.

I hope things will now start to return to normal around here. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 18:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that is why it's good to have alternative wikis to look at and edit. If Xell understood one thing, it is not this wiki shouldn't be like UESP. The users who posted comments on Talk:Main Page don't really understand the purpose of The Elder Scrolls Wiki. This wiki isn't here to compete with UESP or any other wiki; it's here to provide an alternative account on The Elder Scrolls. Xell believed that this wiki should be on lore, and the focus on lore is what separates us from other wikis. Thanks for the help. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 18:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I know that I am only fairly new here, but ... Edit

I am very confused. What happened? Copyright violations?? Where the some people that were literally lifting entire pages from UESP here or something? :O If they did, sorry! I like this Wiki, I like UESP too. In fact, I like a lot of different wikis, but I have yet to see something that I can edit on the UESP one (99.99% of your content is already done. lol), whereas this one, I can ;) Like many people have said before though - there will more than likely be more than one Wiki/Website about the Elder Scrolls. It doesnt have to be a competition though. (Mainly because I know that UESP will win :P) Anyways - HI! Nice to meet you! Timeoin 07:51, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Yup. Whole pages have been copy/pasted from UESP to this and other ES wikis without credit. Ditto images. That's why I monitor this site - to make sure it doesn't happen again. –rpeh •T•C•E• 07:55, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

 : I understand. Also - I have just been made an Administrator here. Let me know if you need anything deleted :) Timeoin 04:02, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Also, regarding the Keening and Sunder pages - I intend to keep those pages, but without the blatant plagiarism. - after all, they are kind of critical to the storyline of Morrowind. Timeoin 04:02, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

If you want to keep UESP content on here, you're allowed to do so as long as you follow the rules. See this page for information. I delete it on sight because I can't be bothered doing the work for somebody who simply seeks to steal our material, but as long as UESP is properly credited you can use the text. –rpeh •T•C•E• 08:20, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I can't honestly say I blame you for that. If I'd done all that work, and someone blatantly plagiarised it, I'd be annoyed too :) Thank you for the link (I'll read it after replying here). Its a shame that people here do resort to that. :\ Okay - as for those pages, If you're happy with it, I will revert changes there, and add proper referencing :) Timeoin 09:54, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oops. I realised that back when I first started, I made a mistake like that with one or two of the images on there. Proper referencing has now been added. If I understand it correctly {{UESPImage}} gets added, and this is then the correct citation for images? (If not, I shall go change that template :D) Timeoin 10:12, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I meant Ausir Edit

I was referring to his insane number of edits on the Fallout Wikia. And yes, I know you are very active on the UESP :) Also - it shall be interesting to see how well this new activity works out on here :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 09:29, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Images Edit

Which ones? I'll remove them :) (Also currently in the process of going through them and removing any unattributed screenshots that are from UESP, too Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 08:19, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

All the ones I just proposed for deletion - 14 of them. –rpeh •T•C•E• 08:40, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'll get rid of them shortly :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 08:43, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Aaaaand ... removed :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 09:40, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. –rpeh •T•C•E• 15:15, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Gah - I know they do :( The Guidelines specifically mention UESP and to not steal their content :\) Yes, I shall remove them, I did not realise that they were taking them :\ Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 23:53, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reply Edit

I replied on my talk page again :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•See current projects 12:00, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reply Edit

Umm...About that images thing I actually googled those Pics but, I think those pics were link to USEP wiki so don't blame if I mistakenly got the "wrong" picture.

Reply: Again! Edit

Sorry for the pic thing. I was just wondering how can you tell if its linked to USEP wiki because I saw no evidence of how it was related to that wiki. Either Google is complete crap or I'm just having bad luck on this adding picture thing.

Having created most of the images on UESP, I can remember most of them - quite seriously, my memory is nearly photographic. –rpeh •T•C•E• 09:25, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Kidtragic Edit

First, you’re harassing Kidtragic. Once you see a copyright image tell one of our admins and then the admin will contact the user who uploaded the image. Please don't threaten our users with banning: it’s not your job, it is ours. Second, Tim is not on the wiki right now, he busy moving in real life. I'm the only active admin at this moment. Finally, I've talked to Kidtragic, and he says he didn't know how to add templates to show that the image is from the UESP wiki. He asked you only how it was possible for the UESP to own take a image when it is taken in a copyright game. Anyhow, I'm going to deal with this issue, and talk to Kidtragic.

Kacj321|Zomboid Wikia|Elder Scrolls Wikia 22:36, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

You, as an admin, should know your job when it comes to copyright. If you don't then it's up to you to learn. Kidtragic is obviously lying. He clearly, and repeatedly, said that attribution wasn't required. Did you even look at the discussion? If you aren't prepared to do your job, then I'll go over YOUR head and get you removed as admin. I've done THAT before too.

This isn't some petty inter-wiki p***ing contest here. This is the law. If you don't follow it, it's YOUR problem. Please understand this. –rpeh •T•C•E• 23:10, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's Quite Simple Edit

If your users keep violating the law, I'll have this site shut down. Is THAT intimidating enough for you? –rpeh •T•C•E• 00:31, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like we might need to talk to the Wikia staff again and get another set of administrators removed. I wonder if this lot have looked at the logs? Galaactica ^(talk) 00:45, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

May I ask what for? Kacj321|Zomboid Wikia|Elder Scrolls Wikia 00:48, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Please learn to indent correctly. For breaking the law. –rpeh •T•C•E• 00:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and the links in your signature still don't work. –rpeh •T•C•E• 00:53, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Oh yer sorry I fix that later. We are not breaking the law we are dealing with it like I've been trying to tell you but you do not listen so why should we listen to you. and don't say I think it ok to take info from other website. If your going to tell someone please uses facts. Kacj321|Zomboid Wikia|Elder Scrolls Wikia 00:55, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you are breaking the law. That's the whole point. I've been trying to teach you what you need to know, but you aren't prepared to listen. Read what Timeoin and I had said to each other and you'll see that things had been getting nice - until you decided to blow the consensus out of the water. Be very, very clear here: if you continue to show disdain for UESP copyright, I will be talking to Wikia about closing this site down. That's not a threat - it's simply a statement of fact. –rpeh •T•C•E• 01:04, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

No I'm not. When I get reports of copyrighted images and articals I change then. Kacj321|Zomboid Wikia|Elder Scrolls Wikia 01:07, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Look, it's quite simple; as an administrator on a Wiki, you are not supposed to sit around and wait for "reports" - you, along with your staff, is supposed to watch each and every edit / file upload and be very cautious that it doesn't break copyright. That's your job as admin, and if you don't like it you should seriously consider doing something else. On the UESP, copyrighted material and qustionable images never survives more than a day, then gets deleted. We don't need reports, we just do what is expected of us. JesperM ^(talk) 08:18, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

UESP Content Edit

(Sadly) some humans need to sleep- and I believe this also applies for our admins at the Elder Scrolls Wiki.

I have been working on a strict system to get rid of the UESP images/content that are on this wiki to avoid further discussions, and I remove all images and copied content I come across. Because of the Wikis size, and the amount of UESP images/content, this will take time. You may say whatever you want, and ignore that fact, but the real thruth is that it will take some time. Due to many of the admins being away because of personal matters- the wiki has been progressing slowly lately. But I will assure you that this will improve in the coming days as we are working on the issue. All I ask is for you to cooperate with us during this time.

Since this issue seems very borthering for the UESP, you are welcome to help mark all UESP images and content that you can find on this wiki, and I can promise you it will be deleted ASAP. I am very active on this wiki and I will do my best to help solve the matter between the UESP and Elder Scrolls Wiki. If there is anything you need done at (almost) an instant, leave a message on my talk page and I'll try to get to the bottom of the issue.
--Zluhcs  talk page  my edits  Elder Scrolls Wiki-chat 23:59, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

If you're talking about my post on Elchzard's page, it was nothing to do with images. I discovered last night that someone had tried to find me on IRC - the UESP one, not Wikia's - and that it might have been Elchzard.

If you're not talking about that post, I'd just point out that this topic dates back to August so re-starting it isn't very useful. –rpeh •T•C•E• 07:16, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

You're right, my message isn't direcrly related to Elchzard or the post above mine, I've fixed that :). I am currently just making a statement, and explaining how serious we are regarding copied content from the UESP. If we could arrange some sort of a "meeting" via the IRC with some of the local admins here, we could try make some sort of an agreement and talk about how to further prevent UESP content showing up here. I am sure you have some statements or demands to make, and I'd be glad to hear them. :) --Zluhcs  talk page  my edits  Elder Scrolls Wiki-chat 09:19, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm in #uespwiki on ChatSpike right now if you're free. –rpeh •T•C•E• 10:14, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not at home right now. What do you say we meet 5:30PM CET Berlin time? --Zluhcs  talk page  my edits  Elder Scrolls Wiki-chat 13:24, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try to be there. –rpeh •T•C•E• 13:29, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm at the Elder Scrolls IRC right now. I'll be waiting. Zluhcs  talk page  my edits  Elder Scrolls Wiki-chat 16:29, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oh - I was waiting on ChatSpike. I'm on both now. –rpeh •T•C•E• 17:20, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it's me in the #TESWiki IRC room right now. –rpeh •T•C•E• 17:52, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Your "uploads"Edit

Hi there. Firstly, is there any reason you're not simply applying the required attribution to the images you find that are from UESP?

I'm also pretty sure that attribution is only required for Creative Commons content. All in-game images uploaded to UESP are *still* under the copyright of Bethesda, you don't own them simply as you took the screen-shot. They should be marked as copyright of Bethesda but that's all that's required. SuperGiraffe 11:38, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Please don't interfere with things that don't concern you. This has been discussed between myself and the admins here. –rpeh •T•C•E• 11:57, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

It does concern me when images for legitimate use are being removed from pages I've put some time into. Does any of the above not make sense? I can clarify if needed? SuperGiraffe 12:04, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Stop stealing MY images that I took time creating. Make your own. THAT is what has been agreed with the admins. –rpeh •T•C•E• 12:06, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

They're not yours. They are Bethesda's. Do you own the copyright to the Coca Cola logo if you take a photo of a can? No, you do not. SuperGiraffe 12:10, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

You don't know what you're talking about. Andy Warhol painted cans of soup but that didn't mean Campbells sued him. Now sod off and stop stealing UESP content. –rpeh •T•C•E• 12:12, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Copyright laws have chnaged since then. SuperGiraffe 12:14, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

I know. Your comparison is sill faulty since this doesn't involve company logos. Learn the different between copyright and trade mark law. –rpeh •T•C•E• 12:16, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Still the same pissy rpeh. I find it highly amusing that you whine about some other admin "threatening you". Back on UESP you'll threaten to ban someone for discussing a small issue such as the pointless insulting of NPCs. Here you cry about pictures you've taken from a game, pretending like you own them yourself. Your childish whining greatly amuses me. Such hypocrisy coming from someone who believes they have actual power because of some game site on the internet. I haven't laughed so hard in my life.

UESPEdit

Seems I owe you an apology. I still don't see why this 'accord' has been struck but it does appear I was wrong. I'd recommend you nominate Template:UESPImage & Template:UESP for deletion also as this template is pointless if these two wiki's aren't sharing. SuperGiraffe 13:52, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Apology accepted, and please accept my own apology for my intemperate language. Those templates are still being used on a few images that date back to a time long before the agreement was struck, so they probably need to be kept for now.

The reason for the accord is that it forces both sites to improve their own content rather than relying on the other. Healthy competition is the goal, and should result in better articles and images on both UESP and ESWiki. In particular, UESP editors have spent a lot of effort in improving our images: I have personally taken thousands of screenshots in an effort to find the best ones possible. To see other editors - and it happens elsewhere, not just here - taking the fruits of my labour is galling.

Anyway, I'm glad we're sorted now. –rpeh •T•C•E• 15:17, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

On a different note, I am unhappy that a few different sites have been using our images, and attributing them to UESP in their reviews of Skyrim. Having said that, I feel I should probably clarify the reasons why this accord was struck in the first place. Back at the time when I made that agreement with Rpeh, the wiki had nowhere near the active editors that it had now. It had a much more reduced content list of what it has now, and images were being uploaded from UESP without being attributed, and it was being done en masse. This situation has changed however, since then. We now have a very active community here (at the time, it was about a dozen, its now a few thousand, if anonymous editors are included). Whilst SuperGiraffe is indeed correct in stating that the images are legally allowable if attributed to UESP properly, IF is the key word there. A lot of the time, they arent being done so. Personally, I much prefer that we take our own images, because our wiki is unique to theirs in terms of content layout and such, but that is a personal preference.

For instance: UESP has massive, hulking images that are rather large in file size (Several megabytes each). In order to increase usability on the site, its better that we DONT use these on our pages, because it reduces the loading time for each page. Its what caused UESP to crash so repeatedly after Skyrim came out, and the reason why ours continued to function as well as it did :) In short - we arent using UESP's images because we dont WANT to do so ;) Our site is being heavily promoted and featured by Wikia, and why not? Skyrim is the Game of the year. Even now, more than a month after the game's release, we're getting something in the vicinity of 4 million page views a day. So - in short, SuperGiraffe, we take our own screenshots here where possible. It may take a little longer for us to get them than they do, but thats because we've got 2,000 editors (800 if you limit it to only those with 5+ edits), compared with 35,000. And considering that a lot of the skyrim pages we have are more detailed than UESPs, its a tad sad on their part. ;) (Just my two cents worth) (P.s. that last part Rpeh, is the competition part you were talking about :D) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 12:38, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Talk Pages CleanupEdit

Greetings! I've been going through some of the archives left over from the OblivioWiki Merge, and I see that a talk page exists from the OblivioWiki. If you want to view it to archive this talk page, you can view it here: OblivioWiki:Merge/User talk:Rpeh. Otherwise, in a short while, I shall be deleting those pages in order to finalise the OblivioWiki Cleanup. Thanks in advance. Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 23:47, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

This is now archived at User_talk:Rpeh/Archive. Feel free to do with it what you will :) Timeoin•Say G'Day•View my work•Skyrim To-Do List 12:18, December 19, 2011 (UTC)