Thanks for letting me know about the changes needed for Water Hyacinth. I will be going through each ingredient page after I'm done with the Plant template, so eventually everything will be renamed correctly and have FormIDs. If you are comfortable renaming pages, you are free to do so as well, if not, then I will get to it.
As for the Bloodmoon Template, it does not auto-include the Morrowind: Ingredients category, it includes Bloodmoon: Ingredients, so if you saw it on a Bloodmoon ingredient page, then it was added manually by someone. I've fixed the template now to include Bloodmoon: Alchemy, too. Thanks for being on the look out! If you run across anything else strange, out-of-place, or something that requires attention, just let me know and I'll see what I can do. —TombRaiser SPEAK! 23:39, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Shockstorm, Thanks for letting me know about the MorroiwndBooks template. It actually had the proper category to auto-add Morroiwnd: Books, but the </noinclude> was missing to close off the other template categories, so it added the category Morrowind: Books to the list of categories not to include. But, it is fixed now, so it should be auto-adding correctly.
Morrowind Locations Edit
Just as a heads up, when working on morrowind locations, keep an eye out for UESP content, if you find any, remove it. While UESP has proven to be forgiving about users taking their content, its better to remove any we find as soon as we find it.
Are you a human Edit
- Oh, well thanks, haha. I just have a lot of free time on my hands right now. --Shockstorm (talk) 03:26, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
- Its hard keeping up with you lol, its liek a game to me lolDeirdreKent101 (talk) 03:29, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
Are you a patroler Edit
- Well, thanks. But I'm not - my name would be a different color if I was. I have some experience with editing on the FFWiki. --Shockstorm (talk) 01:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
- Im suprised they didnt make you one you are really good, DeirdreKent101 (talk) 22:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
Dma you make allot Edit
Greetings - We already read the guidelines you pointed out. Perhaps we differ on the interpretation of some of them. When in doubt, we go to GrammarBook.com. Jimeee's comments were also less than unambiguous.
Perhaps you could give us some specific examples of where we have been in error.....
First of all, send messages to my talk page if you wish to talk to me. Secondly, I don't appreciate the fact you think i'm neglecting locked pages when I am in fact on this wiki every single day trying to improve this utter mess.
I don't "claim" that we have too few patrollers - it's a fact and the two recent additions make a grand total of about 4 regular patrollers - for a site with 18,000+ pages. You do the math.
If you spot a problem or wish to edit a locked page then you ask an admin. That is how it has always worked and we are not about to change it just because you think i'm not doing my job.
- It was relevant, so I posted it there. You seem to believe that you're the only who can fix this "awful" place, which sounds awfully conceited to me. And it is true that you neglect locked pages - it doesn't really matter if you're here each day doing things like editing people's post to include the oh-so-important comment template.
- I see no evidence of this being "how it always has worked". I've seen pages that were locked or are locked, and they were basically all locked by you. And of the several wikis I've been on, none of them have had this number of pages being locked (and when they were, they were typically high traffic pages, not just someone wanting to protect their work from other people). Maybe you should try reading the Wikia ToU. People don't own certain pages or info. You claim that there's a need for more patrollers - how many do we need, then? And how do you justify mass locking of pages when relatively little vandalism happens here, despite the high number of users? I don't care if you want to act tough and tell me you're never going to change your policies. All that won't matter if you get desysopped. --Shockstorm (talk) 01:27, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
- I find it amusing that you think my contribution to this wiki is adding templates to comment posts. You - who have been here one month and makes a few edits - thinks they know it all. Lets not mention your oh-so-important redirect page edits.
- You just got here in December, so you have no idea how much or how little vandalism there is or was. And it's not only vandalism. It is extermely poor quality edits that make up the majority of the reason why pages get locked.
- Also, if you think threatening me with a desysop is your way of trying to get through, then you are sadly mistaken. Pages get locked for a reason, not on a whim or someone trying to protect their work.
- How about this - You make your little list of all the pages you feel are wrongly locked and i'll discuss it with the other admins.
- Jimeee (talk) 01:51, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't threatening you, I was saying that is what would happen if you continue to disregard Wikia's ToU. And your consistently rude and condescending attitude probably doesn't help. I can read page histories, so maybe you shouldn't just assume things. You have a very selective approach to reverting "bad" edits and removing UESP content. Just a few days ago I found a category for UESP images and a template for UESP attribution. I think they're both still there, even though I tagged them for deletion.
Anyways, the burden of proof is on you, due to your highly questionable and unprecedented mass locking of pages. You decided to lock them to protect your work, and I'm aware that that's not how it's supposed to work. Tell me, have you locked any pages that you haven't extensively edited first? I don't see you applying your logic towards pages about the older games - it's just Skyrim. Furthermore, the fact is that most of the pages you've locked have typos and bad links. I've already seen several today and I wasn't even looking for them. And why are you so intent on discussing things with only admins? Are us regular users just too stupid to understand these things? Finally, why exactly do you feel the need to make a forum thread about Tim and/or Milkman needing to write better? Your spelling and grammar could use a lot of work. Which is fine, but you shouldn't demand that other people conform to standards you yourself aren't willing to follow. --Shockstorm (talk) 02:02, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
- If I come across as rude and condescending, then it's because I don't take kindly to your acquisitions and insinuations. My approach to uesp content has always been the same - I'll blank the entire page if I find plagiarism, so I don't know what you're talking about.
- "I don't see you applying your logic towards pages about the older games - it's just Skyrim." - Maybe that's because the vast majority of older games articles are so poor or basic that they require no lock. There are countless pages that I have extensively edited that remain unlocked, so that argument fails. How about the few hundred weapon and armor pages? Or all the lore pages? Or all the list page?
- "Furthermore, the fact is that most of the pages you've locked have typos and bad links. I've already seen several today and I wasn't even looking for them." - I have never refused a user request to unlock a page if a legitimate edit was needing made. Most of the time a user spots a typo etc, they post it on the talk page and I make the change as soon as I can. See the talk history of Dragonborn or various others.
- "And why are you so intent on discussing things with only admins? Are us regular users just too stupid to understand these things?" - Because I don't call the shots around here. Issues like this are usually discussed by the staff - you should know that.
- "Finally, why exactly do you feel the need to make a forum thread about Tim and/or Milkman...but you shouldn't demand that other people conform to standards you yourself aren't willing to follow."
- I'm not willing to follow? You have no idea what you are talking about. If you bothered to read my reply on the CT, I said: The point of the thread is to gain general concensus so that an official policy can be made. It will also serve as a point of reference that this is how the policy was formed. Also, I don't actually have a problem with Milkman's writing style. His previous front page news stories were correct in tone and format.
- Finally - If you think a page is wrongly locked then make a list and it will be reviewed by an admin - and I'll make sure it's not me who reviews it to avoid anymore of this nonsense.
- What the hell are you talking about? I don't want to delete my account, I want to get rid of the history. --Shockstorm (talk) 03:49, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
- You can't get rid of the history on here. It's not allowed and that's not my rule. Wikia has a rule that all history must be preserved. Why place the delete template on your userpage if you didn't want your account deleted? If you don't want to be part of this wiki anymore, then you are free to leave, but none of what you have contributed will be deleted. If you have a problem with understanding that, then contact Wikia. I don't know why you are being so difficult about this. If you continue on with your behavior I will block you. —TombRaiser SPEAK! 04:01, March 9, 2013 (UTC)