Well, i wanted to know that, for example, if the Stormcloaks won, but you didn't kill the Emperor, what would happen to him if he had no heirs? You can write down a certain situation and describe ypur views.
Well, i wanted to know that, for example, if the Stormcloaks won, but you didn't kill the Emperor, what would happen to him if he had no heirs? You can write down a certain situation and describe ypur views.
I don't see the link between what you mention and the fact that the emperor survived : Skyrim is a country not the whole empire so it's like loosing a piece of it if the Stormcloaks win. Now, if you killed the emperor AND helped Ulfric I think it's safe to assume that Skyrim will be independent (or at least try to be) and a sucessor will be choose among the emperor's close relatives for the other part of Tamriel. If they fail to find one, I imagine the Elder Council will elect someone.
A comment Quoted from myself in another thread seems to be a good answer to your question.
"In a Monarchy, when head of the nation is either a King or an Emperor, there was something called Line of Succession. Basically everyone related to the 1st Emperor are queueing up, including their new born babies. They are queueing up to become Emperor. Many will naturally die of natural and unnatural causes, but a few will get to become Emperor. Titus Mede II is merely one of these lucky or unlucky ones depending on your perspective."
There's probably like hundreds if not over a thousand of individuals related to the Emperor as legit successors for the Elder Council to choose from. In fact I will be surprised if they don't have more than 50.
well .......
first - even not everone play DB line is Emperor death certain ( and cannon )
second ......we must decide what happened - in game we have 2 different choices which lead to 2 different results in Civil war ...but for futher games Bethesda decide which scenario happen - in my opinion is Ulfric win Civil War and Skyrim leave Empire - so if remember correct in Empire left only Cyrodil and High Rock and of course High Council choose someone from Mede relatives ( 50% chance ) or someone from High Council ( 50 % chance )
line of succesion dies with Septims ........
btw i play almost every time on Legion side , but imho Bethesda put a bit more love to Stormcloak storyline and in TES VI will be mentioned Ulfric victory .....
Keldy
( sorry for my English , is not my native )
Line of succession exists for practically every Nobility. Not just an Emperor.
Plus when Titus Mede I took over, he will have Line of Succession in order to take his place in scenario where he dies. There has to be like at least 500 to 600 people in the line of Succession for an Emperor whether it is Septim, Mede or even Balgruuf
Balgruuf for... BALGRUUF FOR EMPORER! that would be hilarious if it happened, though less then 1% chance of it.
As for the topic itself. What everyone has said up til now is on target. Only thing your all forgetting is that the Aldmeri Dominion is a bunch of jerks, and would probably help a sympathizer onto the throne to get another puppet emporer.
As for the topic itself. What everyone has said up til now is on target. Only thing your all forgetting is that the Aldmeri Dominion is a bunch of jerks, and would probably help a sympathizer onto the throne to get another puppet emporer.
Balgruuf is Jarl of Whiterun basically King of the Whiterun Hold. He was in the Line of Succession for Jarl of Whiterun and he so happens to be the Jarl during events of Skyrim. The immediate next in succession are probably his brother and children.
As for Emperor, there will be a load tons more of people in the line of succession
Well. How can there be more then one in line for succession? In a hereditary monarchy it will always be the oldest living child (or sibling, if no issue exist), whom gains the crown. If you read "a brief History of the Empire" it becomes clear, that the crown goes to the oldest male issue, and only to a daughter when a male is missing. - This is quite ordinary in semi-sallic law.
Yet! - It is unclear wether the Mede Empire is a hereditary monarchy or an electoral monarchy. Given that Titus Mede I. was elected emperor would give creedence to it being the latter. Also it is said by Ocato in Oblivion, that Martin Septim must be accepted by the Elder Council, but this is simply a formality. In an electoral monarchy it is normal to elect the oldest son of the former monarch anyway, but he still needs to be elected, where in a hereditary monarchy he automatically becomes monarch after his father's death. - Know it could be said that Titus Mede I and Martin Septim both were extreme examples, so maybe they don't count? - Also; Titus Mede did chance the constitution of the Empire by decreasing the power of the Elder Council.
Alas I suspect, that the Empire is indeed an electoral monarchy. Now why would it appear otherwise? - In the days of the Septim Empire alot a bad emperors were elected, but to the Elder Council, it seemed like the Septims had divine right to rule, as only a "Dragonborn Emperor" could light the Dragonfires. Maybe it is the norm in imperial history to treat emperors of the dragonblood as hereditary, while when such emperors lack, it is more common to elect an emperor based on politics.
Also the Empire is not really one state. It is a federation because the provinces are represented in the council, whom, if not elects, then redifies the emperor. In the Roman Empire, the senators were all from Roma, with only a few from Italia. None from Hispania, Anatolia, Dalamtia, Gallia or whatever. - The reason why you want a council, like the Elder Council, is to create consensus among all the different peoples and to keep the provinces in check. - In an "imperial federation", such as the Holy Roman Empire (which clearly is an Empire, and those who say otherwise are have a narrow 19. century view of the term), which did indeed have nobility, different peoples and even it's own countries within this "larger country". - Now why did the Holy Roman Empire's Reichstag almost always elect the son of the former emperor? - Because it created stability, and because those who had power would then stay in power.
Alas I think it obvious that the Empire of Cyrodiil, or the Third Empire, og the Mede Empire, is an electoral monarchy. In days past they used to elect their emperors on basis of divine right (dragon blood) hence why the line of succession was very important to Ocato, but in these days it is unclear by what right the Mede Dynasty claim the throne time after time, besides medieval ideals, such as "always electing the son".
Now why would they not elect a Mede emperor? - With the Mede's is the loss to the Aldmeri Dominion associated. Some, especially us players, may even associate the Empire's decline to the Mede's (which is unfair). So maybe some of the councilors wants new blood on the throne to sent the Aldmeri and, even more important, their own citizens a message, that the Empire is fit for fight again. Then again. If the Elder Council is stupid enough to elect a new family to the throne the Empire wil clearly fail. The strengh of an empire, or even a modern country, is not based on it's main leader, such as an emperor, but on the efficentcy of it's institutions. - If the politicians of the Empire begins to fight amongst themselves on getting their "man" on the throne, it will weaken the Empire's others institutions, while simply electing, and then controlling and guiding, the next Mede Emperor is way better as he is simply a symbol of the Empire's power and soul. If you read the Black Horse Courier in Oblivion it is said that Emperor Uriel Septim VII. hadn't done any real "emperor-work" for several decades because of his old age. Did the Empire fall because of this? No! Did it fall apart when no Septim heir was in sight and the politicians began their infighting? Indeed!
Therfore I shall find it extremly strange if an emperor, whom is not Titus' son, is emperor in the next game. - It is simply too stupid. - But maybe that's what Bethesda wants?
I think that the Elder Council had Titus II assassinated to put someone else on the throne in preparation for the upcoming war with the Dominion. Maybe an Emperor who's more warlike or more hostile towards the Dominion. Or maybe it's just a power-play at an inopportune time, but I prefer the former.
Given how old Titus appears to be (I'd say late 50s at the youngest), I'm sure he has kids, unless he's sterile or they all died, and iven how succession appears to work in the Empire his eldest child will be crowned Emperor/Empress. Who knows, maybe they even worked with the Elder Council to get Titus II killed.
I think that the Elder Council had Titus II assassinated to put someone else on the throne in preparation for the upcoming war with the Dominion. Maybe an Emperor who's more warlike or more hostile towards the Dominion. Or maybe it's just a power-play at an inopportune time, but I prefer the former.
Given how old Titus appears to be (I'd say late 50s at the youngest), I'm sure he has kids, unless he's sterile or they all died, and iven how succession appears to work in the Empire his eldest child will be crowned Emperor/Empress. Who knows, maybe they even worked with the Elder Council to get Titus II killed.
Warlike or not I don't know. If the Elder Council wants him dead, they probably find him a pain in the arse and in that case, they'll probably prioritize obedience over aggressive personality. The next one will likely be an actual puppet Emperor.